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    It was a complaint to the software people. Why are you so outraged at that? Do you enjoy the schrolling, I don't.

     

    Then do something about it. Don't wait for others to do it for you.

    It is not that hard.

    Simply cut & paste the part you want to respond to and do it... like this.

     
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    JEF429 and I don't get along together but we both agree ( I think) that Ellsbury is our favorite player.  I want to enjoy watching Jacoby playing for the Sox this year.  He is exciting to watch, who can forget him stealing home vs. the Yankees ( sorry to bug our forum Yankee fans who are so sensitive but this is a Red Sox forum and not a neutral or Yankee forum), he can score from first base on a double, plays excellent defense, beats out hits, and is capable of being an offensive force when healthy. Some forum bozos claim that he is injury prone since a teammate ran into him or a rival secondbaseman fell onto him - which is ludicrous. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and not "injury prone". Only trolls or those who don't think  would claim that he was "injury prone.

    As a Red Sox fan and not the GM or owner, I am not obsessed with trading him at peak value ( that is what people in the stock market care about). It is true that the GM would have such concerns but I don't. I am not a day trader in the stock market - I am a fan. I want to live the coming season with the hand that I have been dealt with by the franchise. No need to second-guess the roster, GM, owner, every day. Life is too short to worry, and be miserable every day. Enjoy yourself, it is later than you think. Try to be happy. Enjoy Ellsbury for another year instead of obsessing on trading him  at peak value. Be a fan - not a stock trader.

     



    I am a fan. Thats why I want the team to eventually be successful. There are all kinds of fans with all different opinions about how the team should proceed, not just one kind of fan. I would rather get rid of Ellsbury if we can get value in return than watch him play this year and leave the team on Oct 1.

     

     




    he may not. It all falls on ben and management on what we're willing to pay to retain him.

     

     




    He is a Borass client. He will be difficult to retain.

     

     

     




    Lots of players are Borass clients. including JBJ. you can't NOT deal with him...

     

    we have just as good a chance (i would say a better chance) to sign him as anyone.




    Exactly. You know who else are Boras clients? Xander Bogaerts, Deven Marerro and Anthony Ranaudo. Not to mention JD Drew and Daisuke Matsuzaka. The fact that Ellsbury is a Boras client is no obstacle at all. Asking him to move to LF when Bradley comes up bight be though.

     
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    Allowing Paps to walk was a no brainer, but you are right, it was the correct move. And we got Webster and DLR in August. This offseason has been devoid of significant improvements, and its six months long. Yes, there are other ways we could have planned for 2015. Trading Ellsbury or one of our catchers or one of our minor league position players in return for a pitcher with promise would have made us better in 2015 in terms of being more competitive for a ring.

    Two problems with your two solutions

    1-Trading Ellsbury-What would we get today?  What will we get when he walks?  My guess is that it would not be significantly different.

    2-We don't have catchers to trade.  We have one catcher to trade.  What do you think Salty would fetch?

    You are suggesting trading two pieces that I don't think will make us much different than what we'll get in another year.  Meanwhile, we can still compete this year with them.

     



    Ellsbury could have been packaged with either Salty or some minor league position player prospects to bring us a good pitching prospect. The concept is that anyone who is not in the plans for 2015 is fair game to be traded. You don't have to trade everyone; we do need to field a team this year, but there should be no pretending this is a team that will contend for a ring. I just don't see any significant moves made by our GM this winter at all.

     

     



    You really haven't gotten past the previous question.  You basically want to dump the 2013 season in favor of getting a marginally better prospect than we would get by hanging onto Ellsbury.

     

     




    Its not that I WANT to dump the 2013 season, its that we simply don't have the team to make a run at a ring. Sure, I will be there watching with all the other fans, knowing how unlikely it is that we can be much more than a .500 team. That would be much more palatable if I felt we were doing everything possible to make a real exciting run at a ring in 2015. Sitting pat is simply not an option, but thats what Cherington did, essentially, this winter. We do not know what a package of Ellsbury and Salty would have reeled in, so lets not pretend we do. I would have a lot more fun watching a .450 team with lots of good pitching prospects than a .500 team with fewer.

     

     




    2 guys who are 1 year rentals and everyone and their mother questions Salty's defense and Ellsbury's health wouldnt have brought much back. I think thats pretty obvious. The team was better off keeping them.

     
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    JEF429 and I don't get along together but we both agree ( I think) that Ellsbury is our favorite player.  I want to enjoy watching Jacoby playing for the Sox this year.  He is exciting to watch, who can forget him stealing home vs. the Yankees ( sorry to bug our forum Yankee fans who are so sensitive but this is a Red Sox forum and not a neutral or Yankee forum), he can score from first base on a double, plays excellent defense, beats out hits, and is capable of being an offensive force when healthy. Some forum bozos claim that he is injury prone since a teammate ran into him or a rival secondbaseman fell onto him - which is ludicrous. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and not "injury prone". Only trolls or those who don't think  would claim that he was "injury prone.

    As a Red Sox fan and not the GM or owner, I am not obsessed with trading him at peak value ( that is what people in the stock market care about). It is true that the GM would have such concerns but I don't. I am not a day trader in the stock market - I am a fan. I want to live the coming season with the hand that I have been dealt with by the franchise. No need to second-guess the roster, GM, owner, every day. Life is too short to worry, and be miserable every day. Enjoy yourself, it is later than you think. Try to be happy. Enjoy Ellsbury for another year instead of obsessing on trading him  at peak value. Be a fan - not a stock trader.

     



    I am a fan. Thats why I want the team to eventually be successful. There are all kinds of fans with all different opinions about how the team should proceed, not just one kind of fan. I would rather get rid of Ellsbury if we can get value in return than watch him play this year and leave the team on Oct 1.

     

     




    he may not. It all falls on ben and management on what we're willing to pay to retain him.

     

     




    He is a Borass client. He will be difficult to retain.

     

     

     




    Lots of players are Borass clients. including JBJ. you can't NOT deal with him...

     

    we have just as good a chance (i would say a better chance) to sign him as anyone.

     




    Exactly. You know who else are Boras clients? Xander Bogaerts, Deven Marerro and Anthony Ranaudo. Not to mention JD Drew and Daisuke Matsuzaka. The fact that Ellsbury is a Boras client is no obstacle at all. Asking him to move to LF when Bradley comes up bight be though.

     



    i think it is more likely that JBJ mans RF before Jacoby moves to LF...

     
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    JEF429 and I don't get along together but we both agree ( I think) that Ellsbury is our favorite player.  I want to enjoy watching Jacoby playing for the Sox this year.  He is exciting to watch, who can forget him stealing home vs. the Yankees ( sorry to bug our forum Yankee fans who are so sensitive but this is a Red Sox forum and not a neutral or Yankee forum), he can score from first base on a double, plays excellent defense, beats out hits, and is capable of being an offensive force when healthy. Some forum bozos claim that he is injury prone since a teammate ran into him or a rival secondbaseman fell onto him - which is ludicrous. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and not "injury prone". Only trolls or those who don't think  would claim that he was "injury prone.

    As a Red Sox fan and not the GM or owner, I am not obsessed with trading him at peak value ( that is what people in the stock market care about). It is true that the GM would have such concerns but I don't. I am not a day trader in the stock market - I am a fan. I want to live the coming season with the hand that I have been dealt with by the franchise. No need to second-guess the roster, GM, owner, every day. Life is too short to worry, and be miserable every day. Enjoy yourself, it is later than you think. Try to be happy. Enjoy Ellsbury for another year instead of obsessing on trading him  at peak value. Be a fan - not a stock trader.

     



    I am a fan. Thats why I want the team to eventually be successful. There are all kinds of fans with all different opinions about how the team should proceed, not just one kind of fan. I would rather get rid of Ellsbury if we can get value in return than watch him play this year and leave the team on Oct 1.

     

     




    he may not. It all falls on ben and management on what we're willing to pay to retain him.

     

     




    He is a Borass client. He will be difficult to retain.

     

     

     




    Lots of players are Borass clients. including JBJ. you can't NOT deal with him...

     

    we have just as good a chance (i would say a better chance) to sign him as anyone.

     



    Mef429,

     

    I think the Sox have as good a working relationship with Boras as anyone.  I don't think that is an issue at all.  I heard at the Winter Meetings that too many people in the Sox organization think Ellsbury is too soft (That's putting it nicely), and they clearly tried to move him this winter, but they weren't going to give him away.  They offered him in a package for Cliff Lee early on, but the Phillies think they can win now (most teams do at this point), the free agent market was saturated with centerfielders and the Phillies were able to get Ben Revere while keeping the "big three" together.  Obviously things can change during this season, but I think it would take something like a World Series MVP Award and an serious overpay for Ellsbury to come back next year. 




    Have to agree with all of this.

     
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    Ellsbury is gone not just because of his contract situation, but because we have a replacement in Bradley.

     




    you mean a replacement that can play anywhere in the OF? you do know that you can have more than 1 OF'er at a time right?

     



    Sure do, mef.  I guess I should have also mentioned the payroll room that would be freed up by having Bradley instead of Ellsbury.

     
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    JEF429 and I don't get along together but we both agree ( I think) that Ellsbury is our favorite player.  I want to enjoy watching Jacoby playing for the Sox this year.  He is exciting to watch, who can forget him stealing home vs. the Yankees ( sorry to bug our forum Yankee fans who are so sensitive but this is a Red Sox forum and not a neutral or Yankee forum), he can score from first base on a double, plays excellent defense, beats out hits, and is capable of being an offensive force when healthy. Some forum bozos claim that he is injury prone since a teammate ran into him or a rival secondbaseman fell onto him - which is ludicrous. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and not "injury prone". Only trolls or those who don't think  would claim that he was "injury prone.

    As a Red Sox fan and not the GM or owner, I am not obsessed with trading him at peak value ( that is what people in the stock market care about). It is true that the GM would have such concerns but I don't. I am not a day trader in the stock market - I am a fan. I want to live the coming season with the hand that I have been dealt with by the franchise. No need to second-guess the roster, GM, owner, every day. Life is too short to worry, and be miserable every day. Enjoy yourself, it is later than you think. Try to be happy. Enjoy Ellsbury for another year instead of obsessing on trading him  at peak value. Be a fan - not a stock trader.

     



    I am a fan. Thats why I want the team to eventually be successful. There are all kinds of fans with all different opinions about how the team should proceed, not just one kind of fan. I would rather get rid of Ellsbury if we can get value in return than watch him play this year and leave the team on Oct 1.

     

     




    he may not. It all falls on ben and management on what we're willing to pay to retain him.

     

     




    He is a Borass client. He will be difficult to retain.

     

     

     




    Lots of players are Borass clients. including JBJ. you can't NOT deal with him...

     

    we have just as good a chance (i would say a better chance) to sign him as anyone.

     



    Mef429,

     

    I think the Sox have as good a working relationship with Boras as anyone.  I don't think that is an issue at all.  I heard at the Winter Meetings that too many people in the Sox organization think Ellsbury is too soft (That's putting it nicely), and they clearly tried to move him this winter, but they weren't going to give him away.  They offered him in a package for Cliff Lee early on, but the Phillies think they can win now (most teams do at this point), the free agent market was saturated with centerfielders and the Phillies were able to get Ben Revere while keeping the "big three" together.  Obviously things can change during this season, but I think it would take something like a World Series MVP Award and an serious overpay for Ellsbury to come back next year. 

     




    Have to agree with all of this.

     



    don't go to the darkside Southpaw....

     
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    As I said over the winter, Greinke ain't nearly as good as people think he is. When people hear his name they think of the incredible 2.16 ERA in 2009, but that's really the only season of his career when he's been particularly ace-like (if we define "ace" the way Cherington's detractors do). His career ERA (to use a stat the "OMG sign them at all costs" crowd can keep up with) is 3.77 and ERA over the past three seasons is 3.83 -- numbers extremely similar to one Jon Lester, who we are often told is not a #1! Before and after 2009, Greinke's next-lowest season ERA is 3.47, whereas Lester has four seasons of 3.47 or lower over the same time period.

    It's just funny how Greinke's one great season makes him an ace forever, but if you're on the Red Sox and your most recent year was not good (see Lester), then you are garbage, regardless of your track record.

    Is Greinke good? Obviously. Better than what we have? Perhaps (though I wouldn't bet against Lester, and maybe even Buchholz, having better season in 2013). But worth $150 million? Absolutely not. And the people saying "Who cares about the money?" now would be the same ones complaining in a few years when you're stuck overpaying someone who's not worth it and can't put that money towards a better player who's available.

     
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    As I said over the winter, Greinke ain't nearly as good as people think he is. When people hear his name they think of the incredible 2.16 ERA in 2009, but that's really the only season of his career when he's been particularly ace-like (if we define "ace" the way Cherington's detractors do). His career ERA (to use a stat the "OMG sign them at all costs" crowd can keep up with) is 3.77 and ERA over the past three seasons is 3.83 -- numbers extremely similar to one Jon Lester, who we are often told is not a #1! It's just funny how Greinke's one great season makes him an ace forever, but if you're on the Red Sox and your most recent year was not good (see Lester), then you are garbage, regardless of your track record.

    Is Greinke good? Obviously. Better than what we have? Perhaps (though I wouldn't bet against Lester, and maybe even Buchholz, having better season in 2013). But worth $150 million? Absolutely not. And the people saying "Who cares about the money?" now would be the same ones complaining in a few years when you're stuck overpaying someone who's not worth it and can't put that money towards a better player who's available.




    The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. :-)

     
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    Ellsbury is gone not just because of his contract situation, but because we have a replacement in Bradley.

     




    you mean a replacement that can play anywhere in the OF? you do know that you can have more than 1 OF'er at a time right?

     

     



    Sure do, mef.  I guess I should have also mentioned the payroll room that would be freed up by having Bradley instead of Ellsbury.

     



    But you also lose major production by not having Ells on the roster. IDC how good JBJ looks right now, he is still a prospect whereas Ells is a known quantity. The team is much much better when he is on the field. Having JBJ at low cost should help relieve the added cost of Ells' shiny new contract so i don't consider it a big deal.. We have money to spend with all the cash coming off the books in the next few years. Might as well spend it to retain a cornetstone player..

    If you kept Ells and JBJ you could have 2 potential all-stars, silver sluggers, GG'ers and possibly even MVP cantidates. I don't see how an OF with just JBJ could possibly be better than one with Ells AND JBJ... who are you going to sign to fill the rest that is going to match or exceed the talent of a #2/JBJ OF?? Keep in mind that anyone you mention could also be added to my ideal OF to round it out..

     
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    As I said over the winter, Greinke ain't nearly as good as people think he is. When people hear his name they think of the incredible 2.16 ERA in 2009, but that's really the only season of his career when he's been particularly ace-like (if we define "ace" the way Cherington's detractors do). His career ERA (to use a stat the "OMG sign them at all costs" crowd can keep up with) is 3.77 and ERA over the past three seasons is 3.83 -- numbers extremely similar to one Jon Lester, who we are often told is not a #1! Before and after 2009, Greinke's next-lowest season ERA is 3.47, whereas Lester has four seasons of 3.47 or lower over the same time period.

    It's just funny how Greinke's one great season makes him an ace forever, but if you're on the Red Sox and your most recent year was not good (see Lester), then you are garbage, regardless of your track record.

    Is Greinke good? Obviously. Better than what we have? Perhaps (though I wouldn't bet against Lester, and maybe even Buchholz, having better season in 2013). But worth $150 million? Absolutely not. And the people saying "Who cares about the money?" now would be the same ones complaining in a few years when you're stuck overpaying someone who's not worth it and can't put that money towards a better player who's available.



    +10000

    gotta be one of the best posts i've read all year..

     
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    So which free agents were TOTR starters this year? Which teams were looking to move their ace in a trade?

     




    Now, now, Carnie, we can't go being sensible here.  After all, there was one sorta TOTR ... and we coulda had him for a mere $158 million s the base salary ... IF he would have liked it here.   ESPN says he is "a pitcher who has been diagnosed with social anxiety disorder" so he wuld have fit in the high octane Boston scene well ....

      urp...

     
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    This team has one glaring weakness which hasn't been addressed by Ben in his 2 years as GM-top of the rotation starting pitching. For 2 years Ben has told the media that he has faith in the top of the rotation starters and we'll be fine. I don't see it. He is putting his faith in Lester and Buchholz; I strongly disagree. Therefore, I don't see this team making it to the playoffs. That is very unfortunate for me as a Red Sox fan.

     




    Just whom would you consider viable candidates to satisfy your hunger?  And what would you be willing to do to get them, in trade or FA?

    The FA market was thin.  Seattle wouldn't trade King Felix, Detroit wouldn't trade Verlander ... and so it goes. 

     
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    This team has one glaring weakness which hasn't been addressed by Ben in his 2 years as GM-top of the rotation starting pitching. For 2 years Ben has told the media that he has faith in the top of the rotation starters and we'll be fine. I don't see it. He is putting his faith in Lester and Buchholz; I strongly disagree. Therefore, I don't see this team making it to the playoffs. That is very unfortunate for me as a Red Sox fan.

     

     




    Just whom would you consider viable candidates to satisfy your hunger?  And what would you be willing to do to get them, in trade or FA?

     

    The FA market was thin.  Seattle wouldn't trade King Felix, Detroit wouldn't trade Verlander ... and so it goes. 



    Could have had Dickey.... for JBJ and XB..

     
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    This team has one glaring weakness which hasn't been addressed by Ben in his 2 years as GM-top of the rotation starting pitching. For 2 years Ben has told the media that he has faith in the top of the rotation starters and we'll be fine. I don't see it. He is putting his faith in Lester and Buchholz; I strongly disagree. Therefore, I don't see this team making it to the playoffs. That is very unfortunate for me as a Red Sox fan.

     

     




    Just whom would you consider viable candidates to satisfy your hunger?  And what would you be willing to do to get them, in trade or FA?

     

    The FA market was thin.  Seattle wouldn't trade King Felix, Detroit wouldn't trade Verlander ... and so it goes. 

     



    Could have had Dickey.... for JBJ and XB..

     



    I'm all for getting a top arm, but I'd never do this deal. I wouldn't give one of these guys for Dickey.

     
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    I'd also want no part of trading top prospects for a guy pushing 40, knuckleballer or no. I hope no one will complain that this did not happen.

     
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    Free agency had Greinke, whp is the slightly better version of Lester, and Sanchez,  who is a younger Demspter with better control.

     

    The best chance the Sox had to get a TOR starter thid offseason was to deal Ellsbury for Bauer and hope it happens.  But then maybe De La Rosa and Webster already accomplished that

     
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    Free agency had Greinke, whp is the slightly better version of Lester, and Sanchez,  who is a younger Demspter with better control.

     

    The best chance the Sox had to get a TOR starter thid offseason was to deal Ellsbury for Bauer and hope it happens.  But then maybe De La Rosa and Webster already accomplished that



    I was not for signing A Sanchez, but I'd rather have him than SV, Dempster & Drew combined (about the same overall money). We'd have 5 years of A Sanchez, almost all through his prime, instead of 3 guys combined for 6 years at 1, 2, & 3 year deals. None of these guys will be here in 2016 or 2017, and SV might be in serious decline by his last year in 2015. (I realize it might have taken much more money to pry him from the Tigers.)

    I would have traded Ellsbury for Bauer & Lester for Myers, if those deals were possible.

    We could have had this:

    DLR, Webster, Bauer, Tazawa & Owens as young starters fighting for the Lester open spot over the next few years.

    JBJ in CF and Myers in RF.

    Iggy or XB at SS (or XB at 3B and Middlebrooks at 1B).

    Sorry, I'm not buying the viewership argument as the reason we needed to sign Dempster, SV & Drew. The team above would have been very exciting to watch, even for the casual fan.

     
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    Could have had Dickey.... for JBJ and XB..

     




    Are you sure?  

     

    Even still, not sure I'd do it.   I've gotten the taste in my mouth to see these two at Fens ....

     
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    Free agency had Greinke, whp is the slightly better version of Lester, and Sanchez,  who is a younger Demspter with better control.

     

    The best chance the Sox had to get a TOR starter thid offseason was to deal Ellsbury for Bauer and hope it happens.  But then maybe De La Rosa and Webster already accomplished that




    I like what I'm seeing and hearing about these two, so I think you may be right!

     
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    As I said over the winter, Greinke ain't nearly as good as people think he is. When people hear his name they think of the incredible 2.16 ERA in 2009, but that's really the only season of his career when he's been particularly ace-like (if we define "ace" the way Cherington's detractors do). His career ERA (to use a stat the "OMG sign them at all costs" crowd can keep up with) is 3.77 and ERA over the past three seasons is 3.83 -- numbers extremely similar to one Jon Lester, who we are often told is not a #1! Before and after 2009, Greinke's next-lowest season ERA is 3.47, whereas Lester has four seasons of 3.47 or lower over the same time period.

    It's just funny how Greinke's one great season makes him an ace forever, but if you're on the Red Sox and your most recent year was not good (see Lester), then you are garbage, regardless of your track record.

    Is Greinke good? Obviously. Better than what we have? Perhaps (though I wouldn't bet against Lester, and maybe even Buchholz, having better season in 2013). But worth $150 million? Absolutely not. And the people saying "Who cares about the money?" now would be the same ones complaining in a few years when you're stuck overpaying someone who's not worth it and can't put that money towards a better player who's available.

     



    +10000

     

    gotta be one of the best posts i've read all year..



    Greinke absolutely does not have the psychological fortitude and makeup to survive in the cauldron that is Boston. His problems in that regard are well documented. Staying away from him was the right thing to do.

     
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     1-2-3 first inning for Dempster on 13 pitches, 8 strikes.            

     
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    Re: Cherington's achiles heel

    In response to eidlog's comment:

     1-2-3 first inning for Dempster on 13 pitches, 8 strikes.            




    I really liked the dempster signing and I realize im probably in the minority. I just think his 14 years of experience, solid work ethic, and loose attitude and good sense of humor was a good thing. That and you dont stay in MLB (no matter what league/division) if your not good.

    I believe he will surprise some of his detractors this year.

    Am I overly optimistic? Maybe. But I like to look past the numbers (which his are very good) and also look at the intangibles.

     
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    This team has one glaring weakness which hasn't been addressed by Ben in his 2 years as GM-top of the rotation starting pitching. For 2 years Ben has told the media that he has faith in the top of the rotation starters and we'll be fine. I don't see it. He is putting his faith in Lester and Buchholz; I strongly disagree. Therefore, I don't see this team making it to the playoffs. That is very unfortunate for me as a Red Sox fan.

     

     




    Just whom would you consider viable candidates to satisfy your hunger?  And what would you be willing to do to get them, in trade or FA?

     

    The FA market was thin.  Seattle wouldn't trade King Felix, Detroit wouldn't trade Verlander ... and so it goes. 

     



    Could have had Dickey.... for JBJ and XB..

     

     



    I'm all for getting a top arm, but I'd never do this deal. I wouldn't give one of these guys for Dickey.

     



    I am guessing Mef meant this sarcastically.

     
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    Re: Cherington's achiles heel

     Dempster works around an error (Jonathan Diaz) for a scoreless second. 33 pitches, 24 strikes.

     
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