Cherry Signs Old 2nd Rate CF'er and 1B'man and guarantees them nearly 80 Million and will soon seek Revenue from the Fans to Avoid the Fiscal Cliff: Anyone Confident in 2013 Team Performance?

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    In response to ANONMD08's comment:
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    In response to JimfromFlorida's comment:
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    Seriously is there anything the RS can do that will make Softy and T happy?

    Theyhave not traded any prospects yet, they have added two of the better FA on the market this year. The contracts are better than what others have signed for similar and lesser players. they have positioned themselves to make a trade with the extra catchers and now Ellsbury.

    All of the OF available were 30+ except three one is a head case Young the other never heard of him the other Melkey. So based upon the age and comments the RS. Should not sign any of them. However if you look at the list SV was one of the better ones and better than Upton. Who in his career has had two good stretches both at the end of the 2012 and 2008 years. If you look at the list of FA 90% are over 30 so they are all on the downside of their careers according to some. 

     

    Then if you look at pitching Sanchez is the youngest available and outside of Grenkie the best available.

    So after all is said I believe the RS have done the best they could so far and are not done yet.

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    I agree with you Jim. Napoli has always been a Red Sox killer. Even though he had a down year he is tailor made for Fenway Park. Victorino gives the Red Sox some versatility in the outfield. What were the sox supposed to do? Wait on Brentz and Bradley for this year? I don't know why because someone is 30+ that makes them over the hill. At least these contracts aren't killing the Red Sox for 6 and 7 years. nowhere to go but up and hopefully that 69 win season was just an abberation. Still need another pitcher. I want to give Lester the benefit of the doubt for a bad year and give Lackey another shot after his surgery. I don't understand why people are crying and it's still 2 months away from the start of spring training.

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    Because thats just what they do here.

    They were complaining because BC didnt have a full team by Thanksgiving and now they wont be happy with any of the FA signings.

    BJ Upton set the market for OF'ers pretty high with his 15M per, 5 yr deal. The Tribe offered SV 4/44, so the sox basically overpaid by 2M to get it to 3 years. This might be a set up for an Ells trade now that they have a real CF who can step in and play.

     

     
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    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
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    BJ Upton set the market for OF'ers

    Get back to me when value decisions are based upon BJ Upton's 2013 FA contract. That didn't "set the marekt" for anything. Carl Crawbust set the market (Divide by 10) for OF'ers for GM's who are competent.

    At this point, Shane's a done deal, sadly. The next move needs to be (forget Cliff Lee's massive contract old pitcher with high miles PA bust on the Red Sox books). To have any value now, old Shane needs to play about 140 games or more in CF. They'll have to write this guy down in  year or two anyway, but he needs to be the starter in CF for 2013. Forget this "we're going to platoon him with Gomes or start him RF nonsense.

    Next move needs to be to acquire J. Upton by putting the following pool of players on the trade market, in what would be a 3 team deal if needed (which goes without saying for you dim wits):

    Ellsbury and his trade compensation = (1 higher ranked prospect)

    De La Rosa or Webster = 1  NL Rest home league MLB young starter active roster ready

    Brentz = 1 top tier prospect who is ready to join a small or middle market active roster

    1 higher ranked prospect from any player on the farm except Bradley, Jr and Barnes and Bogaerts

    (If this doesn't beat the competing offers for J. Upton, and I think it will, add Bogaerts and subtract Brentz from this pool)

    Total is 4 upper to elite ranked prospects that cost virtually zero for many years to come, plus one season of a Red Sox fans declared supserstar at the bargain one year price of a fraction of the cost of the great BJ Upton.

    The Red Sox are young and set at 3B, RF, CF (Bradley, Jr), SS (Iglesias), Bogaerts or Brentz RF (Bogaerts needs to be moved to the OF so the latest stupid Red Sox slugging SS attempt doesn't blow up with a position move on a player that was never trained properly in the minors for the position he fits in), and are locked in to 1B with Napoli and C with D. Ross and will continue on with Pedroia at 2B.    

    They need to go with Lavarnway and D. Ross for the next two years, Napoli as the depth (he was a good fit but not a good value but that's a move that can be defended).

    On the pitching market, they need to drop the pipe dreams and get the reality check that this pitching market is pathetic. They made the Lackey bed, they need to sleep in the Lackey bed. Doubrant is as good a young pitcher dice roll as any other viable value and fit option. Lester and Buchholz are locked on the books at what, sadly, are some of the lower cost SP labor costs.

    Avoid Albatrosses "get off the books ASAP" mistakes Cliff Lee, and avoid wasting good young farm talent on pipe dreams like Anderson. Continue to develop Barnes and Webster or De La Rosa, and Tazawa and Morales.  

    That leaves one MLB starter pitching contract, which should go to a 2nd or 3rd rate SP with a 2nd or 3rd rate SP market. That leaves out pipe dream prima donnas like Grienke and McCarthey. Francis for 1 to 2M on a MLB contract, offer MLB contract of 1 year and 2M to Saunders, minor league contract offers to Bedard, Harden, Lowe,  J Sanchez and Wang

    Rotation:

    Lester

    Buchholz

    Lackey

    Doubrant

    Francis or Saunders or J. Sanchez  or Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

    Spring training depth chart SP active roster and parked in minor leagues tryouts:

    Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

     

    Lineup:

    R/L  Shane  (I'm boooin the H out of this guy if he doesn't perform well)

    R Pedroia

    R J. Upton

    L Ortiz  

    R Napoli (adequte splits v RHP) or R Middlebrooks

    R Middlebrooks or R Napoli

    L Kalish or R Gomes

    R D. Ross (Balanced and adequate splits)

    R Iglesias or R Ciriaco (Pinch hitter spot for Gomes or Kalish)

     

    It appears as though the plan could be to keep Ellspuff, start Shane in RF, and play Gomes in LF. Terrible mistake!

    Folks, my correct approach is to demand that Lester and Buchholz and Lackey do what they are paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitch as well as their peers as #2 starters or better season performance production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the new million dollar manager Johnny needs to do what he's paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get those guys to earn the fortune they're being paid every season!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

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    I pretty much agree with everything you said. Except that we value Jacoby slightly differently. but not much.  

    Looks like you and I are going to have a boring season.

     
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    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
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    BJ Upton set the market for OF'ers

    Get back to me when value decisions are based upon BJ Upton's 2013 FA contract. That didn't "set the marekt" for anything. Carl Crawbust set the market (Divide by 10) for OF'ers for GM's who are competent.

    At this point, Shane's a done deal, sadly. The next move needs to be (forget Cliff Lee's massive contract old pitcher with high miles PA bust on the Red Sox books). To have any value now, old Shane needs to play about 140 games or more in CF. They'll have to write this guy down in  year or two anyway, but he needs to be the starter in CF for 2013. Forget this "we're going to platoon him with Gomes or start him RF nonsense.

    Next move needs to be to acquire J. Upton by putting the following pool of players on the trade market, in what would be a 3 team deal if needed (which goes without saying for you dim wits):

    Ellsbury and his trade compensation = (1 higher ranked prospect)

    De La Rosa or Webster = 1  NL Rest home league MLB young starter active roster ready

    Brentz = 1 top tier prospect who is ready to join a small or middle market active roster

    1 higher ranked prospect from any player on the farm except Bradley, Jr and Barnes and Bogaerts

    (If this doesn't beat the competing offers for J. Upton, and I think it will, add Bogaerts and subtract Brentz from this pool)

    Total is 4 upper to elite ranked prospects that cost virtually zero for many years to come, plus one season of a Red Sox fans declared supserstar at the bargain one year price of a fraction of the cost of the great BJ Upton.

    The Red Sox are young and set at 3B, RF, CF (Bradley, Jr), SS (Iglesias), Bogaerts or Brentz RF (Bogaerts needs to be moved to the OF so the latest stupid Red Sox slugging SS attempt doesn't blow up with a position move on a player that was never trained properly in the minors for the position he fits in), and are locked in to 1B with Napoli and C with D. Ross and will continue on with Pedroia at 2B.    

    They need to go with Lavarnway and D. Ross for the next two years, Napoli as the depth (he was a good fit but not a good value but that's a move that can be defended).

    On the pitching market, they need to drop the pipe dreams and get the reality check that this pitching market is pathetic. They made the Lackey bed, they need to sleep in the Lackey bed. Doubrant is as good a young pitcher dice roll as any other viable value and fit option. Lester and Buchholz are locked on the books at what, sadly, are some of the lower cost SP labor costs.

    Avoid Albatrosses "get off the books ASAP" mistakes Cliff Lee, and avoid wasting good young farm talent on pipe dreams like Anderson. Continue to develop Barnes and Webster or De La Rosa, and Tazawa and Morales.  

    That leaves one MLB starter pitching contract, which should go to a 2nd or 3rd rate SP with a 2nd or 3rd rate SP market. That leaves out pipe dream prima donnas like Grienke and McCarthey. Francis for 1 to 2M on a MLB contract, offer MLB contract of 1 year and 2M to Saunders, minor league contract offers to Bedard, Harden, Lowe,  J Sanchez and Wang

    Rotation:

    Lester

    Buchholz

    Lackey

    Doubrant

    Francis or Saunders or J. Sanchez  or Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

    Spring training depth chart SP active roster and parked in minor leagues tryouts:

    Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

     

    Lineup:

    R/L  Shane  (I'm boooin the H out of this guy if he doesn't perform well)

    R Pedroia

    R J. Upton

    L Ortiz  

    R Napoli (adequte splits v RHP) or R Middlebrooks

    R Middlebrooks or R Napoli

    L Kalish or R Gomes

    R D. Ross (Balanced and adequate splits)

    R Iglesias or R Ciriaco (Pinch hitter spot for Gomes or Kalish)

     

    It appears as though the plan could be to keep Ellspuff, start Shane in RF, and play Gomes in LF. Terrible mistake!

    Folks, my correct approach is to demand that Lester and Buchholz and Lackey do what they are paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitch as well as their peers as #2 starters or better season performance production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the new million dollar manager Johnny needs to do what he's paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get those guys to earn the fortune they're being paid every season!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    [/QUOTE]

    I pretty much agree with everything you said. Except that we value Jacoby slightly differently. but not much.  

    Looks like you and I are going to have a boring season.

     
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    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    BJ Upton set the market for OF'ers

    Get back to me when value decisions are based upon BJ Upton's 2013 FA contract. That didn't "set the marekt" for anything. Carl Crawbust set the market (Divide by 10) for OF'ers for GM's who are competent.

    At this point, Shane's a done deal, sadly. The next move needs to be (forget Cliff Lee's massive contract old pitcher with high miles PA bust on the Red Sox books). To have any value now, old Shane needs to play about 140 games or more in CF. They'll have to write this guy down in  year or two anyway, but he needs to be the starter in CF for 2013. Forget this "we're going to platoon him with Gomes or start him RF nonsense.

    Next move needs to be to acquire J. Upton by putting the following pool of players on the trade market, in what would be a 3 team deal if needed (which goes without saying for you dim wits):

    Ellsbury and his trade compensation = (1 higher ranked prospect)

    De La Rosa or Webster = 1  NL Rest home league MLB young starter active roster ready

    Brentz = 1 top tier prospect who is ready to join a small or middle market active roster

    1 higher ranked prospect from any player on the farm except Bradley, Jr and Barnes and Bogaerts

    (If this doesn't beat the competing offers for J. Upton, and I think it will, add Bogaerts and subtract Brentz from this pool)

    Total is 4 upper to elite ranked prospects that cost virtually zero for many years to come, plus one season of a Red Sox fans declared supserstar at the bargain one year price of a fraction of the cost of the great BJ Upton.

    The Red Sox are young and set at 3B, RF, CF (Bradley, Jr), SS (Iglesias), Bogaerts or Brentz RF (Bogaerts needs to be moved to the OF so the latest stupid Red Sox slugging SS attempt doesn't blow up with a position move on a player that was never trained properly in the minors for the position he fits in), and are locked in to 1B with Napoli and C with D. Ross and will continue on with Pedroia at 2B.    

    They need to go with Lavarnway and D. Ross for the next two years, Napoli as the depth (he was a good fit but not a good value but that's a move that can be defended).

    On the pitching market, they need to drop the pipe dreams and get the reality check that this pitching market is pathetic. They made the Lackey bed, they need to sleep in the Lackey bed. Doubrant is as good a young pitcher dice roll as any other viable value and fit option. Lester and Buchholz are locked on the books at what, sadly, are some of the lower cost SP labor costs.

    Avoid Albatrosses "get off the books ASAP" mistakes Cliff Lee, and avoid wasting good young farm talent on pipe dreams like Anderson. Continue to develop Barnes and Webster or De La Rosa, and Tazawa and Morales.  

    That leaves one MLB starter pitching contract, which should go to a 2nd or 3rd rate SP with a 2nd or 3rd rate SP market. That leaves out pipe dream prima donnas like Grienke and McCarthey. Francis for 1 to 2M on a MLB contract, offer MLB contract of 1 year and 2M to Saunders, minor league contract offers to Bedard, Harden, Lowe,  J Sanchez and Wang

    Rotation:

    Lester

    Buchholz

    Lackey

    Doubrant

    Francis or Saunders or J. Sanchez  or Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

    Spring training depth chart SP active roster and parked in minor leagues tryouts:

    Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

     

    Lineup:

    R/L  Shane  (I'm boooin the H out of this guy if he doesn't perform well)

    R Pedroia

    R J. Upton

    L Ortiz  

    R Napoli (adequte splits v RHP) or R Middlebrooks

    R Middlebrooks or R Napoli

    L Kalish or R Gomes

    R D. Ross (Balanced and adequate splits)

    R Iglesias or R Ciriaco (Pinch hitter spot for Gomes or Kalish)

     

    It appears as though the plan could be to keep Ellspuff, start Shane in RF, and play Gomes in LF. Terrible mistake!

    Folks, my correct approach is to demand that Lester and Buchholz and Lackey do what they are paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitch as well as their peers as #2 starters or better season performance production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the new million dollar manager Johnny needs to do what he's paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get those guys to earn the fortune they're being paid every season!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    [/QUOTE]

    "And god dammit if you don't do it my way you are a freakin idiot and the worst GM in MLB" per Softlaw

     
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    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    BJ Upton set the market for OF'ers

    Get back to me when value decisions are based upon BJ Upton's 2013 FA contract. That didn't "set the marekt" for anything. Carl Crawbust set the market (Divide by 10) for OF'ers for GM's who are competent.

    At this point, Shane's a done deal, sadly. The next move needs to be (forget Cliff Lee's massive contract old pitcher with high miles PA bust on the Red Sox books). To have any value now, old Shane needs to play about 140 games or more in CF. They'll have to write this guy down in  year or two anyway, but he needs to be the starter in CF for 2013. Forget this "we're going to platoon him with Gomes or start him RF nonsense.

    Next move needs to be to acquire J. Upton by putting the following pool of players on the trade market, in what would be a 3 team deal if needed (which goes without saying for you dim wits):

    Ellsbury and his trade compensation = (1 higher ranked prospect)

    De La Rosa or Webster = 1  NL Rest home league MLB young starter active roster ready

    Brentz = 1 top tier prospect who is ready to join a small or middle market active roster

    1 higher ranked prospect from any player on the farm except Bradley, Jr and Barnes and Bogaerts

    (If this doesn't beat the competing offers for J. Upton, and I think it will, add Bogaerts and subtract Brentz from this pool)

    Total is 4 upper to elite ranked prospects that cost virtually zero for many years to come, plus one season of a Red Sox fans declared supserstar at the bargain one year price of a fraction of the cost of the great BJ Upton.

    The Red Sox are young and set at 3B, RF, CF (Bradley, Jr), SS (Iglesias), Bogaerts or Brentz RF (Bogaerts needs to be moved to the OF so the latest stupid Red Sox slugging SS attempt doesn't blow up with a position move on a player that was never trained properly in the minors for the position he fits in), and are locked in to 1B with Napoli and C with D. Ross and will continue on with Pedroia at 2B.    

    They need to go with Lavarnway and D. Ross for the next two years, Napoli as the depth (he was a good fit but not a good value but that's a move that can be defended).

    On the pitching market, they need to drop the pipe dreams and get the reality check that this pitching market is pathetic. They made the Lackey bed, they need to sleep in the Lackey bed. Doubrant is as good a young pitcher dice roll as any other viable value and fit option. Lester and Buchholz are locked on the books at what, sadly, are some of the lower cost SP labor costs.

    Avoid Albatrosses "get off the books ASAP" mistakes Cliff Lee, and avoid wasting good young farm talent on pipe dreams like Anderson. Continue to develop Barnes and Webster or De La Rosa, and Tazawa and Morales.  

    That leaves one MLB starter pitching contract, which should go to a 2nd or 3rd rate SP with a 2nd or 3rd rate SP market. That leaves out pipe dream prima donnas like Grienke and McCarthey. Francis for 1 to 2M on a MLB contract, offer MLB contract of 1 year and 2M to Saunders, minor league contract offers to Bedard, Harden, Lowe,  J Sanchez and Wang

    Rotation:

    Lester

    Buchholz

    Lackey

    Doubrant

    Francis or Saunders or J. Sanchez  or Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

    Spring training depth chart SP active roster and parked in minor leagues tryouts:

    Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

     

    Lineup:

    R/L  Shane  (I'm boooin the H out of this guy if he doesn't perform well)

    R Pedroia

    R J. Upton

    L Ortiz  

    R Napoli (adequte splits v RHP) or R Middlebrooks

    R Middlebrooks or R Napoli

    L Kalish or R Gomes

    R D. Ross (Balanced and adequate splits)

    R Iglesias or R Ciriaco (Pinch hitter spot for Gomes or Kalish)

     

    It appears as though the plan could be to keep Ellspuff, start Shane in RF, and play Gomes in LF. Terrible mistake!

    Folks, my correct approach is to demand that Lester and Buchholz and Lackey do what they are paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitch as well as their peers as #2 starters or better season performance production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the new million dollar manager Johnny needs to do what he's paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get those guys to earn the fortune they're being paid every season!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    [/QUOTE]

    "And god dammit if you don't do it my way you are a freakin idiot and the worst GM in MLB" per Softlaw

     
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    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    BJ Upton set the market for OF'ers

    Get back to me when value decisions are based upon BJ Upton's 2013 FA contract. That didn't "set the marekt" for anything. Carl Crawbust set the market (Divide by 10) for OF'ers for GM's who are competent.

    At this point, Shane's a done deal, sadly. The next move needs to be (forget Cliff Lee's massive contract old pitcher with high miles PA bust on the Red Sox books). To have any value now, old Shane needs to play about 140 games or more in CF. They'll have to write this guy down in  year or two anyway, but he needs to be the starter in CF for 2013. Forget this "we're going to platoon him with Gomes or start him RF nonsense.

    Next move needs to be to acquire J. Upton by putting the following pool of players on the trade market, in what would be a 3 team deal if needed (which goes without saying for you dim wits):

    Ellsbury and his trade compensation = (1 higher ranked prospect)

    De La Rosa or Webster = 1  NL Rest home league MLB young starter active roster ready

    Brentz = 1 top tier prospect who is ready to join a small or middle market active roster

    1 higher ranked prospect from any player on the farm except Bradley, Jr and Barnes and Bogaerts

    (If this doesn't beat the competing offers for J. Upton, and I think it will, add Bogaerts and subtract Brentz from this pool)

    Total is 4 upper to elite ranked prospects that cost virtually zero for many years to come, plus one season of a Red Sox fans declared supserstar at the bargain one year price of a fraction of the cost of the great BJ Upton.

    The Red Sox are young and set at 3B, RF, CF (Bradley, Jr), SS (Iglesias), Bogaerts or Brentz RF (Bogaerts needs to be moved to the OF so the latest stupid Red Sox slugging SS attempt doesn't blow up with a position move on a player that was never trained properly in the minors for the position he fits in), and are locked in to 1B with Napoli and C with D. Ross and will continue on with Pedroia at 2B.    

    They need to go with Lavarnway and D. Ross for the next two years, Napoli as the depth (he was a good fit but not a good value but that's a move that can be defended).

    On the pitching market, they need to drop the pipe dreams and get the reality check that this pitching market is pathetic. They made the Lackey bed, they need to sleep in the Lackey bed. Doubrant is as good a young pitcher dice roll as any other viable value and fit option. Lester and Buchholz are locked on the books at what, sadly, are some of the lower cost SP labor costs.

    Avoid Albatrosses "get off the books ASAP" mistakes Cliff Lee, and avoid wasting good young farm talent on pipe dreams like Anderson. Continue to develop Barnes and Webster or De La Rosa, and Tazawa and Morales.  

    That leaves one MLB starter pitching contract, which should go to a 2nd or 3rd rate SP with a 2nd or 3rd rate SP market. That leaves out pipe dream prima donnas like Grienke and McCarthey. Francis for 1 to 2M on a MLB contract, offer MLB contract of 1 year and 2M to Saunders, minor league contract offers to Bedard, Harden, Lowe,  J Sanchez and Wang

    Rotation:

    Lester

    Buchholz

    Lackey

    Doubrant

    Francis or Saunders or J. Sanchez  or Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

    Spring training depth chart SP active roster and parked in minor leagues tryouts:

    Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

     

    Lineup:

    R/L  Shane  (I'm boooin the H out of this guy if he doesn't perform well)

    R Pedroia

    R J. Upton

    L Ortiz  

    R Napoli (adequte splits v RHP) or R Middlebrooks

    R Middlebrooks or R Napoli

    L Kalish or R Gomes

    R D. Ross (Balanced and adequate splits)

    R Iglesias or R Ciriaco (Pinch hitter spot for Gomes or Kalish)

     

    It appears as though the plan could be to keep Ellspuff, start Shane in RF, and play Gomes in LF. Terrible mistake!

    Folks, my correct approach is to demand that Lester and Buchholz and Lackey do what they are paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitch as well as their peers as #2 starters or better season performance production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the new million dollar manager Johnny needs to do what he's paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get those guys to earn the fortune they're being paid every season!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    [/QUOTE]

    "And dammit if you don't do it my way you are a freakin idiot and the worst GM in MLB" per Softlaw

     
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    In response to snakeoil123's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    BJ Upton set the market for OF'ers

    Get back to me when value decisions are based upon BJ Upton's 2013 FA contract. That didn't "set the marekt" for anything. Carl Crawbust set the market (Divide by 10) for OF'ers for GM's who are competent.

    At this point, Shane's a done deal, sadly. The next move needs to be (forget Cliff Lee's massive contract old pitcher with high miles PA bust on the Red Sox books). To have any value now, old Shane needs to play about 140 games or more in CF. They'll have to write this guy down in  year or two anyway, but he needs to be the starter in CF for 2013. Forget this "we're going to platoon him with Gomes or start him RF nonsense.

    Next move needs to be to acquire J. Upton by putting the following pool of players on the trade market, in what would be a 3 team deal if needed (which goes without saying for you dim wits):

    Ellsbury and his trade compensation = (1 higher ranked prospect)

    De La Rosa or Webster = 1  NL Rest home league MLB young starter active roster ready

    Brentz = 1 top tier prospect who is ready to join a small or middle market active roster

    1 higher ranked prospect from any player on the farm except Bradley, Jr and Barnes and Bogaerts

    (If this doesn't beat the competing offers for J. Upton, and I think it will, add Bogaerts and subtract Brentz from this pool)

    Total is 4 upper to elite ranked prospects that cost virtually zero for many years to come, plus one season of a Red Sox fans declared supserstar at the bargain one year price of a fraction of the cost of the great BJ Upton.

    The Red Sox are young and set at 3B, RF, CF (Bradley, Jr), SS (Iglesias), Bogaerts or Brentz RF (Bogaerts needs to be moved to the OF so the latest stupid Red Sox slugging SS attempt doesn't blow up with a position move on a player that was never trained properly in the minors for the position he fits in), and are locked in to 1B with Napoli and C with D. Ross and will continue on with Pedroia at 2B.    

    They need to go with Lavarnway and D. Ross for the next two years, Napoli as the depth (he was a good fit but not a good value but that's a move that can be defended).

    On the pitching market, they need to drop the pipe dreams and get the reality check that this pitching market is pathetic. They made the Lackey bed, they need to sleep in the Lackey bed. Doubrant is as good a young pitcher dice roll as any other viable value and fit option. Lester and Buchholz are locked on the books at what, sadly, are some of the lower cost SP labor costs.

    Avoid Albatrosses "get off the books ASAP" mistakes Cliff Lee, and avoid wasting good young farm talent on pipe dreams like Anderson. Continue to develop Barnes and Webster or De La Rosa, and Tazawa and Morales.  

    That leaves one MLB starter pitching contract, which should go to a 2nd or 3rd rate SP with a 2nd or 3rd rate SP market. That leaves out pipe dream prima donnas like Grienke and McCarthey. Francis for 1 to 2M on a MLB contract, offer MLB contract of 1 year and 2M to Saunders, minor league contract offers to Bedard, Harden, Lowe,  J Sanchez and Wang

    Rotation:

    Lester

    Buchholz

    Lackey

    Doubrant

    Francis or Saunders or J. Sanchez  or Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

    Spring training depth chart SP active roster and parked in minor leagues tryouts:

    Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

     

    Lineup:

    R/L  Shane  (I'm boooin the H out of this guy if he doesn't perform well)

    R Pedroia

    R J. Upton

    L Ortiz  

    R Napoli (adequte splits v RHP) or R Middlebrooks

    R Middlebrooks or R Napoli

    L Kalish or R Gomes

    R D. Ross (Balanced and adequate splits)

    R Iglesias or R Ciriaco (Pinch hitter spot for Gomes or Kalish)

     

    It appears as though the plan could be to keep Ellspuff, start Shane in RF, and play Gomes in LF. Terrible mistake!

    Folks, my correct approach is to demand that Lester and Buchholz and Lackey do what they are paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitch as well as their peers as #2 starters or better season performance production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the new million dollar manager Johnny needs to do what he's paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get those guys to earn the fortune they're being paid every season!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    [/QUOTE]

    I pretty much agree with everything you said. Except that we value Jacoby slightly differently. but not much.  

    Looks like you and I are going to have a boring season.

    [/QUOTE]

    The guy does know his stuff.

    Spot on  sensible plan as usual.

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from pelosireturns. Show pelosireturns's posts

    In response to snakeoil123's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    BJ Upton set the market for OF'ers

    Get back to me when value decisions are based upon BJ Upton's 2013 FA contract. That didn't "set the marekt" for anything. Carl Crawbust set the market (Divide by 10) for OF'ers for GM's who are competent.

    At this point, Shane's a done deal, sadly. The next move needs to be (forget Cliff Lee's massive contract old pitcher with high miles PA bust on the Red Sox books). To have any value now, old Shane needs to play about 140 games or more in CF. They'll have to write this guy down in  year or two anyway, but he needs to be the starter in CF for 2013. Forget this "we're going to platoon him with Gomes or start him RF nonsense.

    Next move needs to be to acquire J. Upton by putting the following pool of players on the trade market, in what would be a 3 team deal if needed (which goes without saying for you dim wits):

    Ellsbury and his trade compensation = (1 higher ranked prospect)

    De La Rosa or Webster = 1  NL Rest home league MLB young starter active roster ready

    Brentz = 1 top tier prospect who is ready to join a small or middle market active roster

    1 higher ranked prospect from any player on the farm except Bradley, Jr and Barnes and Bogaerts

    (If this doesn't beat the competing offers for J. Upton, and I think it will, add Bogaerts and subtract Brentz from this pool)

    Total is 4 upper to elite ranked prospects that cost virtually zero for many years to come, plus one season of a Red Sox fans declared supserstar at the bargain one year price of a fraction of the cost of the great BJ Upton.

    The Red Sox are young and set at 3B, RF, CF (Bradley, Jr), SS (Iglesias), Bogaerts or Brentz RF (Bogaerts needs to be moved to the OF so the latest stupid Red Sox slugging SS attempt doesn't blow up with a position move on a player that was never trained properly in the minors for the position he fits in), and are locked in to 1B with Napoli and C with D. Ross and will continue on with Pedroia at 2B.    

    They need to go with Lavarnway and D. Ross for the next two years, Napoli as the depth (he was a good fit but not a good value but that's a move that can be defended).

    On the pitching market, they need to drop the pipe dreams and get the reality check that this pitching market is pathetic. They made the Lackey bed, they need to sleep in the Lackey bed. Doubrant is as good a young pitcher dice roll as any other viable value and fit option. Lester and Buchholz are locked on the books at what, sadly, are some of the lower cost SP labor costs.

    Avoid Albatrosses "get off the books ASAP" mistakes Cliff Lee, and avoid wasting good young farm talent on pipe dreams like Anderson. Continue to develop Barnes and Webster or De La Rosa, and Tazawa and Morales.  

    That leaves one MLB starter pitching contract, which should go to a 2nd or 3rd rate SP with a 2nd or 3rd rate SP market. That leaves out pipe dream prima donnas like Grienke and McCarthey. Francis for 1 to 2M on a MLB contract, offer MLB contract of 1 year and 2M to Saunders, minor league contract offers to Bedard, Harden, Lowe,  J Sanchez and Wang

    Rotation:

    Lester

    Buchholz

    Lackey

    Doubrant

    Francis or Saunders or J. Sanchez  or Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

    Spring training depth chart SP active roster and parked in minor leagues tryouts:

    Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

     

    Lineup:

    R/L  Shane  (I'm boooin the H out of this guy if he doesn't perform well)

    R Pedroia

    R J. Upton

    L Ortiz  

    R Napoli (adequte splits v RHP) or R Middlebrooks

    R Middlebrooks or R Napoli

    L Kalish or R Gomes

    R D. Ross (Balanced and adequate splits)

    R Iglesias or R Ciriaco (Pinch hitter spot for Gomes or Kalish)

     

    It appears as though the plan could be to keep Ellspuff, start Shane in RF, and play Gomes in LF. Terrible mistake!

    Folks, my correct approach is to demand that Lester and Buchholz and Lackey do what they are paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitch as well as their peers as #2 starters or better season performance production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the new million dollar manager Johnny needs to do what he's paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get those guys to earn the fortune they're being paid every season!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    [/QUOTE]

    I pretty much agree with everything you said. Except that we value Jacoby slightly differently. but not much.  

    Looks like you and I are going to have a boring season.

    [/QUOTE]

    The guy does know his stuff.

    Spot on  sensible plan as usual.

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from ADG. Show ADG's posts

    In response to carnie's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Folks, this is getting more embarrassing! There isn't a team in the AL who isn't looking forward to handing it to the 2013 Red Sox and it's status quo bloated 150 million plus payroll of old and overrated roster.

    What's next? Any guess? How about Cliff Lee's contract on the books for the next umpteen years? Or Maybe A. Sanchez to hook up with Lackey and form the 160 million dollar lose borthers.

    There is still budget room to add a couple of more 2nd rate guys and pay them BJ Upton scaled contracts.

    Folks, the Red Sox are going to be good. And if you don't believe it, just take a look at how much money they are spending on labor costs!  

    [/QUOTE]


    One thread by you on this subject wasn't enough? Are you related to 2004Idiots?

    [/QUOTE]

    carnie - You are bashing the threads, which means you like this deal? How is it that every major writer and lots of GMs think this deal was done with incompetence, yet your only comments are to bash the people who start threads.

    I guess you can join Ben C as one thinking this was a good deal. It's awful and prevents them from giving a chance to any of their younger players. Why not save the money? The Red Sox are not going anywhere this year so why spend the money on junk? 

     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from ADG. Show ADG's posts

    In response to carnie's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Folks, this is getting more embarrassing! There isn't a team in the AL who isn't looking forward to handing it to the 2013 Red Sox and it's status quo bloated 150 million plus payroll of old and overrated roster.

    What's next? Any guess? How about Cliff Lee's contract on the books for the next umpteen years? Or Maybe A. Sanchez to hook up with Lackey and form the 160 million dollar lose borthers.

    There is still budget room to add a couple of more 2nd rate guys and pay them BJ Upton scaled contracts.

    Folks, the Red Sox are going to be good. And if you don't believe it, just take a look at how much money they are spending on labor costs!  

    [/QUOTE]


    One thread by you on this subject wasn't enough? Are you related to 2004Idiots?

    [/QUOTE]

    carnie - You are bashing the threads, which means you like this deal? How is it that every major writer and lots of GMs think this deal was done with incompetence, yet your only comments are to bash the people who start threads.

    I guess you can join Ben C as one thinking this was a good deal. It's awful and prevents them from giving a chance to any of their younger players. Why not save the money? The Red Sox are not going anywhere this year so why spend the money on junk? 

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

    In response to tom-uk's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    When I agree w/ Softflaw I do pause, but wtf.

    Victorino?  Napoli?   I was all for trading Lester and Ellsbury and have a bridge year or two, but signing players in their decline phase to three year contracts is embarrassing.  Signing players coming off down years can work (Cody Ross), but going to that well again and again is laughable.  I am sad to say I agree with the doom mongers, these signings (like Crawford) were commercially driven.  LL is affraid to go to the Sox Nation and admit rebuilding is for the best despite the highest ticket prices.

    I will cherry puck a bit here, 2012 OPS+ (career avg)  and BR WAR :

    SV    91 (101)      1.1  

    MN  110 (126)     1.4

     

    [/QUOTE]

    I see us buying low on two guys, who have been great players in the league for years, who had down years due to injury.

    Pumped about this team!!!

    Guys, do you really not think a broken bone in Vic's hand or Napoli's hamstring had anything to do w/ the down 2012 years?  Do you guys really believe, instead, that they went from 30 yrs old (and playing at a very high level) to washed up overnight?

    We didnt need to get younger, we needed to get better.  We did.

    Stop with all the youth worshiping. 

     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

    In response to tom-uk's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    When I agree w/ Softflaw I do pause, but wtf.

    Victorino?  Napoli?   I was all for trading Lester and Ellsbury and have a bridge year or two, but signing players in their decline phase to three year contracts is embarrassing.  Signing players coming off down years can work (Cody Ross), but going to that well again and again is laughable.  I am sad to say I agree with the doom mongers, these signings (like Crawford) were commercially driven.  LL is affraid to go to the Sox Nation and admit rebuilding is for the best despite the highest ticket prices.

    I will cherry puck a bit here, 2012 OPS+ (career avg)  and BR WAR :

    SV    91 (101)      1.1  

    MN  110 (126)     1.4

     

    [/QUOTE]

    I see us buying low on two guys, who have been great players in the league for years, who had down years due to injury.

    Pumped about this team!!!

    Guys, do you really not think a broken bone in Vic's hand or Napoli's hamstring had anything to do w/ the down 2012 years?  Do you guys really believe, instead, that they went from 30 yrs old (and playing at a very high level) to washed up overnight?

    We didnt need to get younger, we needed to get better.  We did.

    Stop with all the youth worshiping. 

     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

    In response to tom-uk's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    When I agree w/ Softflaw I do pause, but wtf.

    Victorino?  Napoli?   I was all for trading Lester and Ellsbury and have a bridge year or two, but signing players in their decline phase to three year contracts is embarrassing.  Signing players coming off down years can work (Cody Ross), but going to that well again and again is laughable.  I am sad to say I agree with the doom mongers, these signings (like Crawford) were commercially driven.  LL is affraid to go to the Sox Nation and admit rebuilding is for the best despite the highest ticket prices.

    I will cherry puck a bit here, 2012 OPS+ (career avg)  and BR WAR :

    SV    91 (101)      1.1  

    MN  110 (126)     1.4

     

    [/QUOTE]

    I see us buying low on two guys, who have been great players in the league for years, who had down years due to injury.

    Pumped about this team!!!

    Guys, do you really not think a broken bone in Vic's hand or Napoli's hamstring had anything to do w/ the down 2012 years?  Do you guys really believe, instead, that they went from 30 yrs old (and playing at a very high level) to washed up overnight?

    We didnt need to get younger, we needed to get better.  We did.

    Stop with all the youth worshiping. 

     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from ADG. Show ADG's posts

    In response to carnie's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Folks, this is getting more embarrassing! There isn't a team in the AL who isn't looking forward to handing it to the 2013 Red Sox and it's status quo bloated 150 million plus payroll of old and overrated roster.

    What's next? Any guess? How about Cliff Lee's contract on the books for the next umpteen years? Or Maybe A. Sanchez to hook up with Lackey and form the 160 million dollar lose borthers.

    There is still budget room to add a couple of more 2nd rate guys and pay them BJ Upton scaled contracts.

    Folks, the Red Sox are going to be good. And if you don't believe it, just take a look at how much money they are spending on labor costs!  

    [/QUOTE]


    One thread by you on this subject wasn't enough? Are you related to 2004Idiots?

    [/QUOTE]

    carnie - You are bashing the threads, which means you like this deal? How is it that every major writer and lots of GMs think this deal was done with incompetence, yet your only comments are to bash the people who start threads.

    I guess you can join Ben C as one thinking this was a good deal. It's awful and prevents them from giving a chance to any of their younger players. Why not save the money? The Red Sox are not going anywhere this year so why spend the money on junk? 

     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from ADG. Show ADG's posts

    In response to carnie's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    Folks, this is getting more embarrassing! There isn't a team in the AL who isn't looking forward to handing it to the 2013 Red Sox and it's status quo bloated 150 million plus payroll of old and overrated roster.

    What's next? Any guess? How about Cliff Lee's contract on the books for the next umpteen years? Or Maybe A. Sanchez to hook up with Lackey and form the 160 million dollar lose borthers.

    There is still budget room to add a couple of more 2nd rate guys and pay them BJ Upton scaled contracts.

    Folks, the Red Sox are going to be good. And if you don't believe it, just take a look at how much money they are spending on labor costs!  

    [/QUOTE]


    One thread by you on this subject wasn't enough? Are you related to 2004Idiots?

    [/QUOTE]

    carnie - You are bashing the threads, which means you like this deal? How is it that every major writer and lots of GMs think this deal was done with incompetence, yet your only comments are to bash the people who start threads.

    I guess you can join Ben C as one thinking this was a good deal. It's awful and prevents them from giving a chance to any of their younger players. Why not save the money? The Red Sox are not going anywhere this year so why spend the money on junk? 

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

    In response to tom-uk's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    When I agree w/ Softflaw I do pause, but wtf.

    Victorino?  Napoli?   I was all for trading Lester and Ellsbury and have a bridge year or two, but signing players in their decline phase to three year contracts is embarrassing.  Signing players coming off down years can work (Cody Ross), but going to that well again and again is laughable.  I am sad to say I agree with the doom mongers, these signings (like Crawford) were commercially driven.  LL is affraid to go to the Sox Nation and admit rebuilding is for the best despite the highest ticket prices.

    I will cherry puck a bit here, 2012 OPS+ (career avg)  and BR WAR :

    SV    91 (101)      1.1  

    MN  110 (126)     1.4

     

    [/QUOTE]

    I see us buying low on two guys, who have been great players in the league for years, who had down years due to injury.

    Pumped about this team!!!

    Guys, do you really not think a broken bone in Vic's hand or Napoli's hamstring had anything to do w/ the down 2012 years?  Do you guys really believe, instead, that they went from 30 yrs old (and playing at a very high level) to washed up overnight?

    We didnt need to get younger, we needed to get better.  We did.

    Stop with all the youth worshiping. 

     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from SonicsMonksLyresVicars. Show SonicsMonksLyresVicars's posts

    The funniest thing in of all of Softyworld is how he rates Jitterbug Bradley higher than Bogaerts....because Bradley is from South Carolina.  What a buffoon.

     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

    In response to SonicsMonksLyresVicars' comment:
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    The Napoli signing is a good one.  If he meets his career batting level he's worth the money, maybe playing 1B will enhance his batting.  No draft pick to get him, can catch vs the NL to let Papi play, etc.  Fine

    Gomes?  No threat to make the All Star team, but a takeout of Cody at a lower cost.  Fine.

    David Ross?  Top backup catcher, only 2 years, hopefully will help Farrell get the pitching and catching back in order.  Fine


    Victorino?  That's a head-scratcher.  He can still field and run, and plays all 3 OF positions but it looks like his bat is gone.  Also seems a big overpay....but, the market is obviously inflated this year.

     

     

    [/QUOTE]

    Good pts.  Regarding Vic, he can still field and run VERY well.  He is still elite RF defense.  This is important to Fenway.  He is an elite baserunner.  Look at teh CS%.  Regarding the pop being gone, we shall see.

    He is one yr removed from a 15+ HR season.  Last year, he actually batted well against lefties, poorly against righties.  This is usually the sign of a hand injury....let me just google....well what do you know?  Bothered by a hand injury.

    Guys, people coming off monster years do not get 13M+ / yr.  Wake up and smell the inflation!!!*

    These guys both had MONSTER 2011's and down 2012's due to injuries.  We bought low (a good thing).

    *credit to ....Carnie?

     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from carnie. Show carnie's posts

    In response to snakeoil123's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    BJ Upton set the market for OF'ers

    Get back to me when value decisions are based upon BJ Upton's 2013 FA contract. That didn't "set the marekt" for anything. Carl Crawbust set the market (Divide by 10) for OF'ers for GM's who are competent.

    At this point, Shane's a done deal, sadly. The next move needs to be (forget Cliff Lee's massive contract old pitcher with high miles PA bust on the Red Sox books). To have any value now, old Shane needs to play about 140 games or more in CF. They'll have to write this guy down in  year or two anyway, but he needs to be the starter in CF for 2013. Forget this "we're going to platoon him with Gomes or start him RF nonsense.

    Next move needs to be to acquire J. Upton by putting the following pool of players on the trade market, in what would be a 3 team deal if needed (which goes without saying for you dim wits):

    Ellsbury and his trade compensation = (1 higher ranked prospect)

    De La Rosa or Webster = 1  NL Rest home league MLB young starter active roster ready

    Brentz = 1 top tier prospect who is ready to join a small or middle market active roster

    1 higher ranked prospect from any player on the farm except Bradley, Jr and Barnes and Bogaerts

    (If this doesn't beat the competing offers for J. Upton, and I think it will, add Bogaerts and subtract Brentz from this pool)

    Total is 4 upper to elite ranked prospects that cost virtually zero for many years to come, plus one season of a Red Sox fans declared supserstar at the bargain one year price of a fraction of the cost of the great BJ Upton.

    The Red Sox are young and set at 3B, RF, CF (Bradley, Jr), SS (Iglesias), Bogaerts or Brentz RF (Bogaerts needs to be moved to the OF so the latest stupid Red Sox slugging SS attempt doesn't blow up with a position move on a player that was never trained properly in the minors for the position he fits in), and are locked in to 1B with Napoli and C with D. Ross and will continue on with Pedroia at 2B.    

    They need to go with Lavarnway and D. Ross for the next two years, Napoli as the depth (he was a good fit but not a good value but that's a move that can be defended).

    On the pitching market, they need to drop the pipe dreams and get the reality check that this pitching market is pathetic. They made the Lackey bed, they need to sleep in the Lackey bed. Doubrant is as good a young pitcher dice roll as any other viable value and fit option. Lester and Buchholz are locked on the books at what, sadly, are some of the lower cost SP labor costs.

    Avoid Albatrosses "get off the books ASAP" mistakes Cliff Lee, and avoid wasting good young farm talent on pipe dreams like Anderson. Continue to develop Barnes and Webster or De La Rosa, and Tazawa and Morales.  

    That leaves one MLB starter pitching contract, which should go to a 2nd or 3rd rate SP with a 2nd or 3rd rate SP market. That leaves out pipe dream prima donnas like Grienke and McCarthey. Francis for 1 to 2M on a MLB contract, offer MLB contract of 1 year and 2M to Saunders, minor league contract offers to Bedard, Harden, Lowe,  J Sanchez and Wang

    Rotation:

    Lester

    Buchholz

    Lackey

    Doubrant

    Francis or Saunders or J. Sanchez  or Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

    Spring training depth chart SP active roster and parked in minor leagues tryouts:

    Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

     

    Lineup:

    R/L  Shane  (I'm boooin the H out of this guy if he doesn't perform well)

    R Pedroia

    R J. Upton

    L Ortiz  

    R Napoli (adequte splits v RHP) or R Middlebrooks

    R Middlebrooks or R Napoli

    L Kalish or R Gomes

    R D. Ross (Balanced and adequate splits)

    R Iglesias or R Ciriaco (Pinch hitter spot for Gomes or Kalish)

     

    It appears as though the plan could be to keep Ellspuff, start Shane in RF, and play Gomes in LF. Terrible mistake!

    Folks, my correct approach is to demand that Lester and Buchholz and Lackey do what they are paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitch as well as their peers as #2 starters or better season performance production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the new million dollar manager Johnny needs to do what he's paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get those guys to earn the fortune they're being paid every season!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    [/QUOTE]

    I pretty much agree with everything you said. Except that we value Jacoby slightly differently. but not much.  

    Looks like you and I are going to have a boring season.

    [/QUOTE]


    Say it ain't so...

     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from snakeoil123. Show snakeoil123's posts

    In response to carnie's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to snakeoil123's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
    [QUOTE]

    BJ Upton set the market for OF'ers

    Get back to me when value decisions are based upon BJ Upton's 2013 FA contract. That didn't "set the marekt" for anything. Carl Crawbust set the market (Divide by 10) for OF'ers for GM's who are competent.

    At this point, Shane's a done deal, sadly. The next move needs to be (forget Cliff Lee's massive contract old pitcher with high miles PA bust on the Red Sox books). To have any value now, old Shane needs to play about 140 games or more in CF. They'll have to write this guy down in  year or two anyway, but he needs to be the starter in CF for 2013. Forget this "we're going to platoon him with Gomes or start him RF nonsense.

    Next move needs to be to acquire J. Upton by putting the following pool of players on the trade market, in what would be a 3 team deal if needed (which goes without saying for you dim wits):

    Ellsbury and his trade compensation = (1 higher ranked prospect)

    De La Rosa or Webster = 1  NL Rest home league MLB young starter active roster ready

    Brentz = 1 top tier prospect who is ready to join a small or middle market active roster

    1 higher ranked prospect from any player on the farm except Bradley, Jr and Barnes and Bogaerts

    (If this doesn't beat the competing offers for J. Upton, and I think it will, add Bogaerts and subtract Brentz from this pool)

    Total is 4 upper to elite ranked prospects that cost virtually zero for many years to come, plus one season of a Red Sox fans declared supserstar at the bargain one year price of a fraction of the cost of the great BJ Upton.

    The Red Sox are young and set at 3B, RF, CF (Bradley, Jr), SS (Iglesias), Bogaerts or Brentz RF (Bogaerts needs to be moved to the OF so the latest stupid Red Sox slugging SS attempt doesn't blow up with a position move on a player that was never trained properly in the minors for the position he fits in), and are locked in to 1B with Napoli and C with D. Ross and will continue on with Pedroia at 2B.    

    They need to go with Lavarnway and D. Ross for the next two years, Napoli as the depth (he was a good fit but not a good value but that's a move that can be defended).

    On the pitching market, they need to drop the pipe dreams and get the reality check that this pitching market is pathetic. They made the Lackey bed, they need to sleep in the Lackey bed. Doubrant is as good a young pitcher dice roll as any other viable value and fit option. Lester and Buchholz are locked on the books at what, sadly, are some of the lower cost SP labor costs.

    Avoid Albatrosses "get off the books ASAP" mistakes Cliff Lee, and avoid wasting good young farm talent on pipe dreams like Anderson. Continue to develop Barnes and Webster or De La Rosa, and Tazawa and Morales.  

    That leaves one MLB starter pitching contract, which should go to a 2nd or 3rd rate SP with a 2nd or 3rd rate SP market. That leaves out pipe dream prima donnas like Grienke and McCarthey. Francis for 1 to 2M on a MLB contract, offer MLB contract of 1 year and 2M to Saunders, minor league contract offers to Bedard, Harden, Lowe,  J Sanchez and Wang

    Rotation:

    Lester

    Buchholz

    Lackey

    Doubrant

    Francis or Saunders or J. Sanchez  or Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

    Spring training depth chart SP active roster and parked in minor leagues tryouts:

    Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang

     

    Lineup:

    R/L  Shane  (I'm boooin the H out of this guy if he doesn't perform well)

    R Pedroia

    R J. Upton

    L Ortiz  

    R Napoli (adequte splits v RHP) or R Middlebrooks

    R Middlebrooks or R Napoli

    L Kalish or R Gomes

    R D. Ross (Balanced and adequate splits)

    R Iglesias or R Ciriaco (Pinch hitter spot for Gomes or Kalish)

     

    It appears as though the plan could be to keep Ellspuff, start Shane in RF, and play Gomes in LF. Terrible mistake!

    Folks, my correct approach is to demand that Lester and Buchholz and Lackey do what they are paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitch as well as their peers as #2 starters or better season performance production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the new million dollar manager Johnny needs to do what he's paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get those guys to earn the fortune they're being paid every season!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    [/QUOTE]

    I pretty much agree with everything you said. Except that we value Jacoby slightly differently. but not much.  

    Looks like you and I are going to have a boring season.

    [/QUOTE]


    Say it ain't so...

    [/QUOTE]

    I know.  Total drag.

    Other then the trade for Upton thing and the fact that I like Victorino but think the Red Sox overpaid I pretty much agreed.

    And I didn't disagree with the Upton trade I just don't see it happening.

     
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  25. You have chosen to ignore posts from devildavid. Show devildavid's posts

    In response to Softlaw1's comment:
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    Folks, my correct approach is to demand that Lester and Buchholz and Lackey do what they are paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitch as well as their peers as #2 starters or better season performance production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the new million dollar manager Johnny needs to do what he's paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get those guys to earn the fortune they're being paid every season!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

    [/QUOTE]

    If only life were that simple. Gee, I could be a star athlete if only someone demanded me to be.

     
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