In response to carnie's comment:
In response to snakeoil123's comment:
In response to Softlaw1's comment:
BJ Upton set the market for OF'ers
Get back to me when value decisions are based upon BJ Upton's 2013 FA contract. That didn't "set the marekt" for anything. Carl Crawbust set the market (Divide by 10) for OF'ers for GM's who are competent.
At this point, Shane's a done deal, sadly. The next move needs to be (forget Cliff Lee's massive contract old pitcher with high miles PA bust on the Red Sox books). To have any value now, old Shane needs to play about 140 games or more in CF. They'll have to write this guy down in year or two anyway, but he needs to be the starter in CF for 2013. Forget this "we're going to platoon him with Gomes or start him RF nonsense.
Next move needs to be to acquire J. Upton by putting the following pool of players on the trade market, in what would be a 3 team deal if needed (which goes without saying for you dim wits):
Ellsbury and his trade compensation = (1 higher ranked prospect)
De La Rosa or Webster = 1 NL Rest home league MLB young starter active roster ready
Brentz = 1 top tier prospect who is ready to join a small or middle market active roster
1 higher ranked prospect from any player on the farm except Bradley, Jr and Barnes and Bogaerts
(If this doesn't beat the competing offers for J. Upton, and I think it will, add Bogaerts and subtract Brentz from this pool)
Total is 4 upper to elite ranked prospects that cost virtually zero for many years to come, plus one season of a Red Sox fans declared supserstar at the bargain one year price of a fraction of the cost of the great BJ Upton.
The Red Sox are young and set at 3B, RF, CF (Bradley, Jr), SS (Iglesias), Bogaerts or Brentz RF (Bogaerts needs to be moved to the OF so the latest stupid Red Sox slugging SS attempt doesn't blow up with a position move on a player that was never trained properly in the minors for the position he fits in), and are locked in to 1B with Napoli and C with D. Ross and will continue on with Pedroia at 2B.
They need to go with Lavarnway and D. Ross for the next two years, Napoli as the depth (he was a good fit but not a good value but that's a move that can be defended).
On the pitching market, they need to drop the pipe dreams and get the reality check that this pitching market is pathetic. They made the Lackey bed, they need to sleep in the Lackey bed. Doubrant is as good a young pitcher dice roll as any other viable value and fit option. Lester and Buchholz are locked on the books at what, sadly, are some of the lower cost SP labor costs.
Avoid Albatrosses "get off the books ASAP" mistakes Cliff Lee, and avoid wasting good young farm talent on pipe dreams like Anderson. Continue to develop Barnes and Webster or De La Rosa, and Tazawa and Morales.
That leaves one MLB starter pitching contract, which should go to a 2nd or 3rd rate SP with a 2nd or 3rd rate SP market. That leaves out pipe dream prima donnas like Grienke and McCarthey. Francis for 1 to 2M on a MLB contract, offer MLB contract of 1 year and 2M to Saunders, minor league contract offers to Bedard, Harden, Lowe, J Sanchez and Wang
Francis or Saunders or J. Sanchez or Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang
Spring training depth chart SP active roster and parked in minor leagues tryouts:
Tazawa, Morales, Bedard, Harden, J. Sanchez, Lowe, Wang
R/L Shane (I'm boooin the H out of this guy if he doesn't perform well)
R J. Upton
R Napoli (adequte splits v RHP) or R Middlebrooks
R Middlebrooks or R Napoli
L Kalish or R Gomes
R D. Ross (Balanced and adequate splits)
R Iglesias or R Ciriaco (Pinch hitter spot for Gomes or Kalish)
It appears as though the plan could be to keep Ellspuff, start Shane in RF, and play Gomes in LF. Terrible mistake!
Folks, my correct approach is to demand that Lester and Buchholz and Lackey do what they are paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitch as well as their peers as #2 starters or better season performance production!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the new million dollar manager Johnny needs to do what he's paid to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get those guys to earn the fortune they're being paid every season!!!!!!!!!!!!
I pretty much agree with everything you said. Except that we value Jacoby slightly differently. but not much.
Looks like you and I are going to have a boring season.
Say it ain't so...
I know. Total drag.
Other then the trade for Upton thing and the fact that I like Victorino but think the Red Sox overpaid I pretty much agreed.
And I didn't disagree with the Upton trade I just don't see it happening.