Ciraico or Iggy?

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    Ciraico or Iggy?

    This is going to be interesting to watch.  Ciraico seems to be one of those guys who could break our lineup before "the younger" Iggy ever does.  I love the way this guy gets on base, doesn't SO much and can hang in there with both lefties or righties.  He also seems to be a guy that can hold his own defensively and plays better at the AAA and major league level.

    Still early but hes fun to watch regardless of the lack of power.  He was also considered the best defensive SS in the Pirates minor league system
     
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    This is going to be interesting to watch.  Ciraico seems to be one of those guys who could break our lineup before "the younger" Iggy ever does.  I love the way this guy gets on base, doesn't SO much and can hang in there with both lefties or righties.  He also seems to be a guy that can hold his own defensively and plays better at the AAA and major league level. Still early but hes fun to watch regardless of the lack of power.  He was also considered the best defensive SS in the Pirates minor league system
    Posted by craze4sox
      Great post..... I think that Jake will go on the D L without a doubt.......  I was also thinking about  CIRAICO for the same reasons you mentioned......  Iggy, in my mind i would bring him up, give him SS and have Avilies available for LF,3rd,RF, and SS/2nd......  Either way, Jakes injury is for real and Bobby V. has some interesting moves ahead.... Also, don't be surprised if the 13th pitcher is gone, after Beckett'$ outing of today !!!!
     
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    In Response to Ciraico or Iggy? :   Great post..... I think that Jake will go on the D L without a doubt.......  I was also thinking about  CIRAICO for the same reasons you mentioned......  Iggy, in my mind i would bring him up, give him SS and have Avilies available for LF,3rd,RF, and SS/2nd......  Either way, Jakes injury is for real and Bobby V. has some interesting moves ahead.... Also, don't be surprised if the 13th pitcher is gone, after Beckett'$ outing of today !!!!
    Posted by Bill-806


    Bill, I'm hoping Iggy matures into a solid major league player at some point but I wouldn't give a one dimensional player the SS position just for his D. 
     
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    Lin just got scratched from Paw Sox lineup a few minutes ago
     
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    Lin just got scratched from Paw Sox lineup a few minutes ago
    Posted by upperco1


    Always exciting to see new blood in the lineup but I really hope Jacoby's injury is short term.  This team has been a magnet for back breaking injuries.  I also noticed a lot of Sox fans choose to ignore a guy like Ciraico because they want so badly for Iggy to succeed.  Ciraico was a good pickup and someone who I feel may stick.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ciraico or Iggy? : Always exciting to see new blood in the lineup but I really hope Jacoby's injury is short term.  This team has been a magnet for back breaking injuries.  I also noticed a lot of Sox fans choose to ignore a guy like Ciraico because they want so badly for Iggy to succeed.  Ciraico was a good pickup and someone who I feel may stick.
    Posted by craze4sox


    watched him play in ST a few times and I agree. I'd rather have him on the bench instead of Punto
     
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    In Response to Re: Ciraico or Iggy? : watched him play in ST a few times and I agree. I'd rather have him on the bench instead of Punto
    Posted by upperco1

    Yeah, me too.  Late in the ST season I saw him steal 2nd, then 3rd, on successive pitches I think.
     
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    ciriaco FTW
     
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    After going 3-for-5 on Thursday, Iggy went 0-3 Friday and is batting .192.


    Meanwhile, Will Middlebrooks went 2-for-4 with a home run and three RBIs and is batting .343.
     
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    After going 3-for-5 on Thursday, Iggy went 0-3 Friday and is batting .192. Meanwhile, Will Middlebrooks went 2-for-4 with a home run and three RBIs and is batting .343.
    Posted by royf19


    If Ciraico has a better season than Iggy at the plate and comparable in the field there is no question who should be brought up to help if needed.  At this point Iggy is more of a late inning defensive specialist, or pinch runner but he still has plenty of time to grow.

    You can usually determine who is better prepaired for the majors and although Iggy and Ciraico both carry themselves well, we may learn this season who our 2013 starter may finally be for the future.  Ciraico may turn out to be a steal.  A nice season at AAA for Middlebrooks could also make our decision for 3B and Youk much easier next season.
     
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    This is going to be interesting to watch.  Ciraico seems to be one of those guys who could break our lineup before "the younger" Iggy ever does.  I love the way this guy gets on base, doesn't SO much and can hang in there with both lefties or righties.  He also seems to be a guy that can hold his own defensively and plays better at the AAA and major league level. Still early but hes fun to watch regardless of the lack of power.  He was also considered the best defensive SS in the Pirates minor league system
    Posted by craze4sox


    Better hope he does better in the higher levels and majors, since his minor league career OBP is under .300.

    If Ciriaco was inserted into the lineup, I put the over/under at 10 games before near universal agreement that he was not the answer. He's a utility INF, period...
     
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    In Response to Ciraico or Iggy? : Better hope he does better in the higher levels and majors, since his minor league career OBP is under .300. If Ciriaco was inserted into the lineup, I put the over/under at 10 games before near universal agreement that he was not the answer. He's a utility INF, period...
    Posted by notin


    With all do respect notin, are you basing this on minor league stats alone?  Pedro had a good spring and is presently doing well at AAA.  In Pedro's short major league history, he has 13 hits in 39 AB for a 333 BA, with a 350 OBP and 513 SLG.

    Like I said, some players perform better at the major league level when it counts most.   What has Iggy done?
     
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    In Response to Re: Ciraico or Iggy? : With all do respect notin, are you basing this on minor league stats alone?  Pedro had a good spring and is presently doing well at AAA.  In Pedro's short major league history, he has 13 hits in 39 AB for a 333 BA, with a 350 OBP and 513 SLG. Like I said, some players perform better at the major league level when it counts most.   What has Iggy done?
    Posted by craze4sox


    So are you saying his 30 at-bats in ST and his first 25 at-bats of the year are a more accurate sample size than the previous 6 years and 3,000 minor league at-bats he had before most Sox fans ever heard of him?    Just asking.

    And taking into account his first 40 at-bats doesn't enhance your case.  Forty at-bats!?!!   There was a time when Daniel Nava was hitting 1.000 and slugging 4.000, too.  MLB history is littered with guys who had a few hits in their first few at-bats, but never did anything.

    Ciriaco is nothing special, and he has had plenty of chances to prove it.  There is a reason Pittsburgh released him...
     
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    In Response to Re: Ciraico or Iggy? : So are you saying his 30 at-bats in ST and his first 25 at-bats of the year are a more accurate sample size than the previous 6 years and 3,000 minor league at-bats he had before most Sox fans ever heard of him?    Just asking. And taking into account his first 40 at-bats doesn't enhance your case.  Forty at-bats!?!!   There was a time when Daniel Nava was hitting 1.000 and slugging 4.000, too.  MLB history is littered with guys who had a few hits in their first few at-bats, but never did anything. Ciriaco is nothing special, and he has had plenty of chances to prove it.  There is a reason Pittsburgh released him...
    Posted by notin


    Yup, kind of what I said to all those who used Ellburys minor league stats and lack of power to judge his potential in the majors.  So we bring up Spears and company?  Repko deserves it based on his quick start at AAA but poor major league numbers.  Or maybe Spears? 

    If you can't admit some guys play better at a higher level and others just in the minors, theres really no use debating.
     
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      Just goes to show, that Bobby V. will be making moves all year long !!
     
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      Just goes to show, that Bobby V. will be making moves all year long !!
    Posted by Bill-806


    I'm all for keeping fresh legs and enthusiasm out there Bill, as long as guys produce.  The one thing I hate is how RSM rarely rewards a guy who has a strong spring unless its a veteran.  ST is the time to showcase your skill and desire to make the club.  Once you get sent back to the minors everything you achieved, including momentum seems to be forgotten. 

    Ciraico played better than Iggy ever has.  Whether its age, maturity, talent or just luck as some may think he deserves a longer look at some point if Iggy keeps struggling.  I would love to see Ciraico get those 10 days of playing time to fail as "notin" mentioned.



     
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    In Response to Re: Ciraico or Iggy? : Yup, kind of what I said to all those who used Ellburys minor league stats and lack of power to judge his potential in the majors.  So we bring up Spears and company?  Repko deserves it based on his quick start at AAA but poor major league numbers.  Or maybe Spears?  If you can't admit some guys play better at a higher level and others just in the minors, theres really no use debating.
    Posted by craze4sox


    Except that, with the exception of power, Ellsbury had very good stats in the minors.  And at the major league level, he has only accomplished power numbers one time.  If he never does it again, he won't be the first player.  (Joe Mauer, for example.  Want about a dozen others?)

    Tell you what - why not name a few players who have excelled at the MLB level without excelling in the minor league level.  Ellsbury certainly excelled in the minors, so he is not a good example for your list. Just because he did not hit for power - which does often come late for many hitters - does not mean he did not excel. 

    So who are all these Ciricao-type hiters with sub-.300 OBP's in the minors who then go on to become solid MLB hitters?  Cirico had a good srping training.  Don't be fooled into thinking those 60 at-bats are more representative that the 3,000 that came before.  We all saw Jeff Bailey have terrific March's as well.  Was it because he was suddenly blossoming into a great hitter, or because 1) it was only 30 at-bats and 2) guys like Bailey and Ciriaco usually actually try in ST because they want to land MLB jobs, whereas guys like Pedroia or Ellsbury just want to get loose and avoid injury.

    And if you cannot accept that, I really, really see no point in debating.  But I do want to see all these awful minor league / good major league hitters to support your theory.  When can I expect that?
     
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    Crickets...
     
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    Interesting note...

    I can't think of any, but I do recall that although Wade Boggs hit over .300 for most of his minor league career, he only had an OPS over .805 one time in his 6 years of the minors. 

    He had an .890 OPS with Boston over 11 years... pretty close to his .896 OPS his last year in AAA.
     
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