Ciriaco---besides his hitting,

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    Ciriaco---besides his hitting,

    Have you noticed----

    1) Looks like there's about 6 gms of fat on his whole body

    2) He takes exactly enough lead off 1st base, thus driving the pitchers nuts

    3) No matter what position he's playing, as soon as a ball is hit, he's headed in the right direction; whether it's ball hit to second, deep CF, he knows where to go.

    4) He's not afraid to swing at the first pitch for fear he might make a quick out.

    5) He knows how to bunt

    If I can sit here in my living room in Ft Myers and see these things, I'm wondering why (esp. after his spring training) so much time was went by before the "brass" woke up?
     
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    Ciriaco can run too. 

    He might beat Bolt in a 100 meter dash.  LOL
     
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    Very refreshing !!!!!!   Smart player who has always played in the shadows of FAT-CAT$   !!!!!!
     
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    He should be the starting SS in 2013. Boegerts is not ready yet and Iglesias will never hit enough. Or maybe they should start Iglesias and make Pedro a super utility guy.
     
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    In Response to Ciriaco---besides his hitting,:
    Have you noticed---- 1) Looks like there's about 6 gms of fat on his whole body 2) He takes exactly enough lead off 1st base, thus driving the pitchers nuts 3) No matter what position he's playing, as soon as a ball is hit, he's headed in the right direction; whether it's ball hit to second, deep CF, he knows where to go. 4) He's not afraid to swing at the first pitch for fear he might make a quick out. 5) He knows how to bunt If I can sit here in my living room in Ft Myers and see these things, I'm wondering why (esp. after his spring training) so much time was went by before the "brass" woke up?
    Posted by bosoxmal

    He was out of optioins, so they waited until there was a spot where he could get playing time in the majors. Pedroias thumb was the spot.  There should be no doubt about where he plays in 2013. He is better than Iglesias in every aspect of the game except fielding. Iglesias is not that much better in the field to offset all the things Ciriaco has done well at the major league level.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting,:
    In Response to Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting, : Ciriaco excells so far. Thus we are here to debate, argue, have a pizzin contest on what to do with Iggy. We just love to argue, don't we. Why not retain BOTH players and put the debate into mothballs or onto the back burner? It never ends here.
    Posted by Calzone65


    If we put all debates into mothballs, there isn't much point in having a message board.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting,:
    In Response to Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting, : If we put all debates into mothballs, there isn't much point in having a message board.
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut
    You beat me to the punch. Smile
     
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    I read that Ciriaco has the second highest batting average in history against the Yankees (.517).  (Minimum 25 plate plate appearances.)  Behind only Barry Bonds (.533).
     
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    I like the aggressiveness. We THINK CC and Ells might try to steal.....we know Pedro will.
    Speaking of Ells, I'm beginning to think there is something to what softy says about him.
     
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    I love how Ciriaco plays and he's unquestionably been a bright spot in a disappointing year. Still, I'm not quite ready to declare him the fixture we've been lacking at shortstop. I hope he is, because I like everything about him, but we're only talking a 35-game glimpse. That's at least enough to hang onto him.
     
     
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    2) He takes exactly enough lead off 1st base, thus driving the pitchers nuts

    I used to watch that with Concepcion.  His lead was too big for you to home with, and too small for you to pick him off.  I'm not even a SB fan, but I still remember thing 'what the heck can the pitcher do here?'.
     
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    In Response to Ciriaco---besides his hitting,:
    Have you noticed---- 1) Looks like there's about 6 gms of fat on his whole body 2) He takes exactly enough lead off 1st base, thus driving the pitchers nuts 3) No matter what position he's playing, as soon as a ball is hit, he's headed in the right direction; whether it's ball hit to second, deep CF, he knows where to go. 4) He's not afraid to swing at the first pitch for fear he might make a quick out. 5) He knows how to bunt If I can sit here in my living room in Ft Myers and see these things, I'm wondering why (esp. after his spring training) so much time was went by before the "brass" woke up?
    Posted by bosoxmal


    I have been praising Ciriaco from the start of ST.  If guys like Ciriaco, Iggy, Bogaerts and Bradley take the fast track with success it could give us some nice options.  Unfortunately one or two of these kids may need to be traded in order to upgrade in other areas. It's a difficult decision for management in the off season.

    Pedro plays the game the way it should be played.  If he makes a few errors along the way its all part of learning and shouldn't matter a whole lot if he continues to contribute offensively.
     
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                            BOSOX1941, ..........Are you planning on seeing the Ciriaco with the Big Club in 2013? I think he'll be gone for a pitching prospect or two faster than Paul Ryan's W-2's showed up after he teamed up with Mitt.
     
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    I highly doubt they trade Ciriaco.  Much more likely they trade Aviles and have Ciriaco and Iglesias compete for the starting job next year.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting,:
    I highly doubt they trade Ciriaco.  Much more likely they trade Aviles and have Ciriaco and Iglesias compete for the starting job next year.
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut


    I hope you're right, but this team seems to be dysfunctional when it comes to shortstops over the last 8 or 10 years. Every time they get a good one they either trade him away or let him leave. Of the three you mention, which one do you think another GM would most want to trade for? Unfortunately, I think it would be Ciriaco.
     
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    In response to "Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting,":
    In Response to Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting, : But why debate merely for the sake of debate? The verdict isn't in yet on Ciriaco or IGGY so why be ready to trade one of them at this point? Posted by Calzone65
    Kim it is not up to what spirited fans should debate.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting,:
    In Response to Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting, : But why debate merely for the sake of debate?
    Posted by Calzone65


    Debate for the sake of debate is a common and natural human behavior.  It's about exchanging thoughts, expressing oneself, interacting with other people.  Nobody is getting hurt, and nobody here, except for the odd really delusional one, thinks their input will actually impact what happens.
     
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    Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting,

    In Response to Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting,:
    In Response to Ciriaco---besides his hitting, : He was out of optioins, so they waited until there was a spot where he could get playing time in the majors. Pedroias thumb was the spot.  There should be no doubt about where he plays in 2013. He is better than Iglesias in every aspect of the game except fielding. Iglesias is not that much better in the field to offset all the things Ciriaco has done well at the major league level.
    Posted by BOSOX1941


    Ciriaco (26) certainly hasn't hurt his chances so far, but he's also four years older than Iglesias (22), like Iglesias has little plate disipline. 2 walks in over 100 plate appreances with 20 strikeouts this year in Boston. Which projects to 12 walks and 120 strikeouts, in 600 plate appearance. So while I too am pleased with Ciriaco's showing this year and think he should have a spot on the 2013 roster. Not sure he will be or should be handed the starters job. Given his minor league stats my guess is that once big league pitchers get a book on him. They'll stop challenging him early in the count with fastballs and make him hit the soft stuff.

    As for Ciriaco being better in every category than Iglesias. One could quibble over just how much better he has been given his age and that he's had about 2500 more plate appearances in his minor league career...

    Ciriaco has spent a total of 8 years in the Pirates/Red Sox system with career batting totals of .272 with a .299 OBP, slg .357 with a pedestrian .656 OPS. While walking 159 times and striking out 559 times in over 3500 plate appearances.

    Iglesias in a little over 1000 career plate appearances has hit .262 with .312 obp, slg .313 for a even more pedestrain .625 OPS...walking 64 times while striking out 162 times.

    The good news for Jose given his age, he still has time to improve on his numbers. Lets not forget that Jose at this point in thier repsective careers, has played against tougher competition. Playing in AAA @ age 21 and 22. Ciriaco at the same age was still in A+ ball. Which is two level highers and worth noting...

    While I agree that both of them are plus defenders and good base runners. Neither of them have hit well enough in the minors to earn everyday jobs at the big league level. At this point both project to be utility guys/late inning defensive replacement/pinch runner types.

    Lastly, Ciriaco who turns 27 in September is now entering his prime years. So it's not like the kid hasn't had more than enough opportunity to earn a shot at making a big league club. He's a very toolsy player with plus athleticism. The bottom line is he's never hit well enough to win a spot...That is until now...
     
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    Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting,

    I think the one with the highest perceived long term value is still Iglesias. This based on youth, proven defensive abilities and potential offensive advance.
    Aviles has demonstrated his floor to ceiling span, not terrible but not exceptional.
    Ciriaco has previously shown so little offensive prowess that this year's showing is an outlier.
    However the possibility of him having actually learned something recently ( perhaps from neighbour R.Cano) suggests he may continue to hit.
    I posted on other Ciriaco thread that  felt all shortstop chances and at/bats should be his or Iglesias's for the balance of 2012.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ciriaco---besides his hitting,:
    I think the one with the highest perceived long term value is still Iglesias. This based on youth, proven defensive abilities and potential offensive advance. Aviles has demonstrated his floor to ceiling span, not terrible but not exceptional. Ciriaco has previously shown so little offensive prowess that this year's showing is an outlier. However the possibility of him having actually learned something recently ( perhaps from neighbour R.Cano) suggests he may continue to hit. I posted on other Ciriaco thread that  felt all shortstop chances and at/bats should be his or Iglesias's for the balance of 2012.
    Posted by jimedfred


    Are you suggesting that Ciriaco is using performance enhancers? If you are going to make such an allegation, you need to offer some evidence to back it up.
     
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    Ciriaco = NY Yankees Killer  Cool
     
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