Clay Buchholtz Lovers - STAND UP AND BE COUNTED

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    We are royally screwed

     
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    FACT - he's ERA since coming off the DL is 4.62.  (do you see how facts can be measured quantitatively?  just putting something in writing doesn't make it fact.  by the way, feel free to "fact-check" my numbers)


    Now.......You believe he's dominant. Therefore, logic dictates that you believe a 4.62 ERA is reflective of a dominant pitcher.  That's your opinion.  Most of the baseball world would completely disagree.  However, in this room, you are among friends.  You are among friends.  Talk with your friends because honestly, your responses here are barely coherent and I'm afraid I am going to say something rude to you and I want you be in a safe place.



    You're so disingenuous and FOS it's coming out of your ears.  How does my saying that when Clay is healthy and well adjusted he is dominant equate to me saying he is dominant right now?


    Lester has had three seasons with an above 4 ERA, so he sucks also.  Matt Schezer has had two above 4 in his short career so he sucks, Roger Clemens had six seasons above 4 so he blows, I guess Clay had better load up on HGH so he can catch up, Greg Maddux had 7 seasons with an above 4 ERA... Shall I go on or can we wait to see Clay's full body of work before we rush to judgment?


    His career ERA is 3.86, he's been to two All Star games, he's led the entire league in ERA, pitched a no hitter, I wonder how thats possible when he sucks so bad?


    The only thing that sucks around here is the fortitude of some Red Sox fan's spines and your sense of entitlement.  


    My responses to you have been coherent and logical, just because you don't understand doesn't make it any less true.  


    So feel free to explain how an All Star pitcher can also be "not dominant," tell us how someone can be good and bad at the same time?  


    Just because Clay has struggled, along with the rest of the team outside of Lester (who happens to be in a contract year) doesn't mean he can't return to the dominant pitcher he was when he was going to All Star games.  


    But since you can see into the future please let me know who's going to win the Series this year, I need to call Vegas?

     
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    PS.  Ranaudo looks pretty darn good tonight, check for skid marks after the game is over, maybe we'll organize a mass suicide off the Tobin if his ERA climbs above the even 2 he has now after six innings... I mean his career will be over right?

     
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    FACT - he's ERA since coming off the DL is 4.62.  (do you see how facts can be measured quantitatively?  just putting something in writing doesn't make it fact.  by the way, feel free to "fact-check" my numbers)

    Now.......You believe he's dominant. Therefore, logic dictates that you believe a 4.62 ERA is reflective of a dominant pitcher.  That's your opinion.  Most of the baseball world would completely disagree.  However, in this room, you are among friends.  You are among friends.  Talk with your friends because honestly, your responses here are barely coherent and I'm afraid I am going to say something rude to you and I want you be in a safe place.

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    You're so disingenuous and FOS it's coming out of your ears.  How does my saying that when Clay is healthy and well adjusted he is dominant equate to me saying he is dominant right now?

    Lester has had three seasons with an above 4 ERA, so he sucks also.  Matt Schezer has had two above 4 in his short career so he sucks, Roger Clemens had six seasons above 4 so he blows, I guess Clay had better load up on HGH so he can catch up, Greg Maddux only had 7 seasons with an above 4 ERA... Shall I go on or can we wait to see Clay's full body of work before we rush to judgment?

    His career ERA is 3.86, he's been to two All Star games, he's led the entire league in ERA, pitched a no hitter, I wonder how thats possible when he sucks so bad?

    The only thing that sucks around his is the fortitude of some Red Sox fan's spines and your sense of entitlement.  

    My responses to you have been coherent and logical, just because you don't understand doesn't make it any less true.  

    So feel free to explain how an All Star pitcher can also be "not dominant," tell us how someone can be good and bad at the same time?  

    Just because Clay has struggled, along with the rest of the team outside of Lester (who happens to be in a contract year) doesn't mean he can't return to the dominant pitcher he was when he was going to All Star games.  

    But since you can see into the future please let me know who's going to win the Series this year, I need to call Vegas?

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    You said "he is dominant when healthy".  Therefore, logic dictates that since he is CURRENTLY healthy then he must be DOMINATE.

     

    (your posts are riddled with so much erroneous gibberish that i can barely get past your first sentence or 2 which is all i read and all i commented on)

     
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    PS.  Ranaudo looks pretty darn good tonight, check for skid marks after the game is over, maybe we'll organize a mass suicide off the Tobin if his ERA climbs above the even 2 he has now after six innings... I mean his career will be over right?

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    this is germane to the topic how? 

     
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    FACT - he's ERA since coming off the DL is 4.62.  (do you see how facts can be measured quantitatively?  just putting something in writing doesn't make it fact.  by the way, feel free to "fact-check" my numbers)

    Now.......You believe he's dominant. Therefore, logic dictates that you believe a 4.62 ERA is reflective of a dominant pitcher.  That's your opinion.  Most of the baseball world would completely disagree.  However, in this room, you are among friends.  You are among friends.  Talk with your friends because honestly, your responses here are barely coherent and I'm afraid I am going to say something rude to you and I want you be in a safe place.

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    You're so disingenuous and FOS it's coming out of your ears.  How does my saying that when Clay is healthy and well adjusted he is dominant equate to me saying he is dominant right now?

    Lester has had three seasons with an above 4 ERA, so he sucks also.  Matt Schezer has had two above 4 in his short career so he sucks, Roger Clemens had six seasons above 4 so he blows, I guess Clay had better load up on HGH so he can catch up, Greg Maddux only had 7 seasons with an above 4 ERA... Shall I go on or can we wait to see Clay's full body of work before we rush to judgment?

    His career ERA is 3.86, he's been to two All Star games, he's led the entire league in ERA, pitched a no hitter, I wonder how thats possible when he sucks so bad?

    The only thing that sucks around his is the fortitude of some Red Sox fan's spines and your sense of entitlement.  

    My responses to you have been coherent and logical, just because you don't understand doesn't make it any less true.  

    So feel free to explain how an All Star pitcher can also be "not dominant," tell us how someone can be good and bad at the same time?  

    Just because Clay has struggled, along with the rest of the team outside of Lester (who happens to be in a contract year) doesn't mean he can't return to the dominant pitcher he was when he was going to All Star games.  

    But since you can see into the future please let me know who's going to win the Series this year, I need to call Vegas?

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    Excellent post.

     

     

     
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    In response to andrewmitch's comment:
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    FACT - he's ERA since coming off the DL is 4.62.  (do you see how facts can be measured quantitatively?  just putting something in writing doesn't make it fact.  by the way, feel free to "fact-check" my numbers)

    Now.......You believe he's dominant. Therefore, logic dictates that you believe a 4.62 ERA is reflective of a dominant pitcher.  That's your opinion.  Most of the baseball world would completely disagree.  However, in this room, you are among friends.  You are among friends.  Talk with your friends because honestly, your responses here are barely coherent and I'm afraid I am going to say something rude to you and I want you be in a safe place.

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    You're so disingenuous and FOS it's coming out of your ears.  How does my saying that when Clay is healthy and well adjusted he is dominant equate to me saying he is dominant right now?

    Lester has had three seasons with an above 4 ERA, so he sucks also.  Matt Schezer has had two above 4 in his short career so he sucks, Roger Clemens had six seasons above 4 so he blows, I guess Clay had better load up on HGH so he can catch up, Greg Maddux only had 7 seasons with an above 4 ERA... Shall I go on or can we wait to see Clay's full body of work before we rush to judgment?

    His career ERA is 3.86, he's been to two All Star games, he's led the entire league in ERA, pitched a no hitter, I wonder how thats possible when he sucks so bad?

    The only thing that sucks around his is the fortitude of some Red Sox fan's spines and your sense of entitlement.  

    My responses to you have been coherent and logical, just because you don't understand doesn't make it any less true.  

    So feel free to explain how an All Star pitcher can also be "not dominant," tell us how someone can be good and bad at the same time?  

    Just because Clay has struggled, along with the rest of the team outside of Lester (who happens to be in a contract year) doesn't mean he can't return to the dominant pitcher he was when he was going to All Star games.  

    But since you can see into the future please let me know who's going to win the Series this year, I need to call Vegas?

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    You said "he is dominant when healthy". Therefore, logic dictates that since he is CURRENTLY healthy then he must be DOMINATE.

     

    (your posts are riddled with so much erroneous gibberish that i can barely get past your first sentence or 2 which is all i read and all i commented on)

     
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    Re: Clay Buchholtz Lovers - STAND UP AND BE COUNTED

    Folks, he's not worth arguing with.  He never admits he's wrong and he has to have at least 2 players on the Sox he has to dislike intensely to the point of irrationality.  I note a thread he started called Shane Injurino and although I didn't bother to read it, I'm surmising that Vic is the next whipping boy.


     


    Wozzy summed him up perfectly in the first sentence above.

     
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    Hello, my name is Mitchell, and I enjoy starting threads about Sox players that are written in such a public and vitriolic way as to leave me no choice but to actually root for them to fail to save my fragile ego from being bruised and from being ridiculed on the forum if I'm wrong, and so I can gloat later about how right I was about them blowing a Sox game and causing a team loss.

    PS...I need the attention, so please keep posting and bumping my threads. Keep those cards and letter coming! Thx. for playing along Exam, you're the best!

     

    Hey, no prob Mitch, it was my pleasure.

     
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    Folks, he's not worth arguing with.  He never admits he's wrong and he has to have at least 2 players on the Sox he has to dislike intensely to the point of irrationality.  I note a thread he started called Shane Injurino and although I didn't bother to read it, I'm surmising that Vic is the next whipping boy.




     Wozzy summed him up perfectly in the first sentence above.


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    True, but what you CAN do is openly ridicule and make fun of him just for kicks, then totally ignore all his responses to those barbs. His vulnerability is that he takes himself so seriously, and most of the rest of us don't take him seriously at all. One time a couple years back I got into an extended discussion with him, then went back and deleted all my posts, which made it look like he posted about 20 times in a row arguing with himself. Funny stuff. He lost all credibility with me when he posted that people argue with him on here because they are all jealous of him. Ok, yeah, now we're so far out of touch with reality that logic is long gone. Can't fix that, all you can do is tell funny jokes about it. He's become a weird amalgam between Pike, Bob Costas, and Saddame Hussien and Steven Hawking. How the mighty have fallen.

     
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    Hello, my name is Mitchell, and I enjoy starting threads about Sox players that are written in such a public and vitriolic way as to leave me no choice but to actually root for them to fail to save my fragile ego from being bruised and from being ridiculed on the forum if I'm wrong, and so I can gloat later about how right I was about them blowing a Sox game and causing a team loss.

    PS...I need the attention, so please keep posting and bumping my threads. Keep those cards and letter coming! Thx. for playing along Exam, you're the best!

     

    Hey, no prob Mitch, it was my pleasure.

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    So Yay or Nay on you believing in Buck? I'm thinking Yay but I don't want to speak for you.

     
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    Clay is currently the team's ace. It's like losing 4 generals in a cannon attack and your new leader is the slow-thinking, deliberate (guys on base, tick, tock, tick, tock) colonel. However, Custer (a more fast thinking guy) was put in that role once and did a pretty damn good job during the Civil War. Andrewmitch can only hope Clay's demise be as horrendous as GAC. I still think Clay's performance, albeit for 16 starts in '13, was about as dominating as it gets. That he has never reached those heights before and after, and that Clay's endurance and mental game are lacking is what amitch hangs his hat on. It's not much of an argument to say he's been shaky and at times not reliable. It's also foolish to say he didn't show signs of greatness last year. In the overall, though, I'm not feeling good if he is the team's ace. And he is for what's left of '14...

     
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    Doubront may have been more valuable in the postseason last year and he was tarred and feathered out of town. I got a feeling Felix will be an outstanding SP in the NL despite falling in disfavor with Sox. 

     
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    Doubront may have been more valuable in the postseason last year and he was tarred and feathered out of town. I got a feeling Felix will be an outstanding SP in the NL despite falling in disfavor with Sox. 

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    A bit overstated. You sound like Doubront didn't do anything to fall out of favor. Remember, thesis a guy -- a young player trying to earn a spot in the majors -- showed up in camp two times in three years out of shape, so much so in 2011 that he was forced to the DL. He was supposed to be first up to start that year when one of the other five started went down, but instead, the Sox had to furn to Wakefield because Doubront was out of shape.

    He showed flashes of talent and went on that 20-game stretch last year when was fairly dominant and helped carry the staff when Lester went into that funk in late May and early June.

    He hit a wall and was skipped then sent to the bullpen late last year and complained. Then this year, he's scked for the most part and IMO might have had a bad attitude when he was sent back to the bullpen.

    Maybe he's a guy who needed a change of scenery, but so far, he's been an underachiever.

     
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    well, my point is that Doubront is talented too, and so is Clay, and so was Lackey, and so was Peavy, and so was Lester...:-)

     
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    I like Buchholz.

     

    I also never saw the need for always having a whipping boy on the Sox roster solely based on whether or not my pre-approval was on record prior to acquisition...

     
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    Clay is keepable...its not like he's costing the team a mint and is old and decrepit...he just needs to toughen up - maybe now that he's the veteran of the staff he will assume some leadership role and improve his head and game...


    As always - 100% correct!


     

     
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    Clay is keepable...its not like he's costing the team a mint and is old and decrepit...he just needs to toughen up - maybe now that he's the veteran of the staff he will assume some leadership role and improve his head and game...

     

    As always - 100% correct!

     

     

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    good luck w/ that

    and $12 million ain't chump change; especially for a part time pitcher with an ERA of SIX (5.99)

     
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    Clay is keepable...its not like he's costing the team a mint and is old and decrepit...he just needs to toughen up - maybe now that he's the veteran of the staff he will assume some leadership role and improve his head and game...

     Clay is making 7.7 million in 2014 - where did you get your salary figure from?

    As always - 100% correct!

     

     

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    good luck w/ that

    and $12 million ain't chump change; especially for a part time pitcher with an ERA of SIX (5.99)

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    PS.  Ranaudo looks pretty darn good tonight, check for skid marks after the game is over, maybe we'll organize a mass suicide off the Tobin if his ERA climbs above the even 2 he has now after six innings... I mean his career will be over right?

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    LMAO...and I thought Pats fans were gloom and doomers when it came to new talent!

     
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    I like Buchholz.

    I also never saw the need for always having a whipping boy on the Sox roster solely based on whether or not my pre-approval was on record prior to acquisition...

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    Well we all know that there are the miserable sorts who aren't happy if the percentage of their posts that are negative or bashing a Red sox player or two drops below 95 percent of their posts. The OP is the King of such posters. He has me on ignore, which is perfectly fine with me.

     

     

     
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    Clay is keepable...its not like he's costing the team a mint and is old and decrepit...he just needs to toughen up - maybe now that he's the veteran of the staff he will assume some leadership role and improve his head and game...

     Clay is making 7.7 million in 2014 - where did you get your salary figure from?

    As always - 100% correct!

     

     

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    good luck w/ that

    and $12 million ain't chump change; especially for a part time pitcher with an ERA of SIX (5.99)

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    $12 million is next year - you are increasing his salary by 35% - He is making 7.7 million this year. 

     

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