Closer Tryouts

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    Closer Tryouts

    Ok, it's probably the same thing as "Closer by Committee," but since that coinage got such a bad wrap due its association with immediate failure, I'm going to rename it Closer Tryouts.  I would think that Bailey would be put on the shelf after three consecutive blown saves, and the job now goes to whoever matches up well against who's due up, whoever is not overworked, and eenie, meenie, miney, mo (mo, unfortunately, not being Mariano Rivera).  Sometimes it will be Tazawa, sometimes Uehara, and possibly Andrew Miller, Breslow, and even Aceves in a pinch.  Heck, Rubby De La Rosa may even get a shot.

    Meanwhile, Bailey will still get a shot to earn his way back by starting out pitching lower leverage situations, although he may now be considered a longshot to earn the closer's job back.  If a re-christening of the concept proves unsuccessful, a trade for an established closer will become a priority at the deadline.  I hope an in-house solution works out because I would rather see the team use their available trade pieces for an impact starter or some right-handed pop.

     

     
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    Sheriff-Rojas: +1

     
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    I also though of De La Rosa for closer.

     
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    I'm not anointing anybody.  Best arm wins or they're all disqualified and the Red Sox look elsewhere.

     
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    Bailey is still the closer. 

     
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    Before taking Bailey out of the role---I would put him in there everyday winning or losing in the  9 th. Make him do it. He was pitching once a week because they were either up by more than three or losing. Closer's need to work--to expect them to do it only occasionally--hey the best fail a few times a season-Mariano, Pap, Rodney, Johnson just in our area.

    I have posted Bailey is not generating a lot of confidence. They are going to Detroit for four games---try him in all four games or if he blows one Thursday--start the Taz, Ue, Miller tryouts.

     
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    I've seen enough of Bailey as closer, but Farrell has not, and he knows a lot more than I do. 

    Five relievers on this current team have better ERA's than Bailey--Uehara, Tazawa, Miller, Breslow, and Wilson.  What they all have in common that Bailey does not have is the willingness to mix in breaking balls.  Last night Farrell commented that opposing hitters are feasting on Bailey's fastball in part because he won't throw anything else in the strike zone. 

     
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    I've seen enough of Bailey as closer, but Farrell has not, and he knows a lot more than I do. 

    Five relievers on this current team have better ERA's than Bailey--Uehara, Tazawa, Miller, Breslow, and Wilson.  What they all have in common that Bailey does not have is the willingness to mix in breaking balls.  Last night Farrell commented that opposing hitters are feasting on Bailey's fastball in part because he won't throw anything else in the strike zone. 




    His location of the FB is the issue, not so much just the FB.

    Farrell will throw Bailey back out there to close next time. He seems to give his players some rope to reel it in and perform up to expectations. If they dont, then he has made no secret of it that he will make a move. He uses more patience than some here, who would remove any player after a couple bad games it seems.

    If Bailey cant pull it together over the next few chances, they will make a move.

    Personally, I like paps back in Boston. But the more I think about it and look at RDLR, I think they should think about him. He still has got poor control over 5-6IP. A ton of walks. But to condense him to 1IP and let him air out, that FB and ++ change could work as a closer.

     
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    I'm not a fan of bringing Paplebon back.  I'd hate to see the team trade prospects to bring in Paplebon unless the team has a chance to go deep in the post season. Maybe later if Buchholtz turns out to be okay, and Lester begins getting a few calls. 

     

     
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    We want to ignore the fact that he's had three blown saves in a row??  What are we thinking?? (or to punctuate that differently, "What?  Are we thinking??)

    I'm all for using someone, anyone else in the closer's role until Baily can get through one inning without giving up a run in three consecutive outings. 

    This isn't an isolated incident.  It's three in a row.  What does this team have to lose by making a change?  Anyone could blow three in a row.  *I* could do that, and I would for a lot less money. 

    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

     
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    I nominate S5 as the new closer.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xGUBMmmQWM

     
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    I was not surprised that Bailey blew it again.  In fact, I expected him to give up the long ball and said as much in the chat room.  That's what scares me, that I actually saw it as inevitable.  And but for Iglesias' great pick at third, there may have been more.


    I'm in favor of Rojas' approach, but it looks like it will take at least one more (and I hope it's only one more) blown save on Bailey's part for Farrell to pull the plug on him.  Peter Gammons said last night that he thinks Miller might be able to close at some point.  I never thought I'd say this, but I agree.  Miller has looked solid of late.  Maybe he should be next in line.  I do know that had I seen him coming out for the ninth rather than Bailey, I would not have been nearly as anxious.  There have been one too many "I'm coming, Elizabeth" moments with Bailey for me.  Hand me the Xanax please. 





    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xGUBMmmQWM

     
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    I've seen enough of Bailey as closer, but Farrell has not, and he knows a lot more than I do. 

    Five relievers on this current team have better ERA's than Bailey--Uehara, Tazawa, Miller, Breslow, and Wilson.  What they all have in common that Bailey does not have is the willingness to mix in breaking balls.  Last night Farrell commented that opposing hitters are feasting on Bailey's fastball in part because he won't throw anything else in the strike zone. 

     




    His location of the FB is the issue, not so much just the FB.

     

    Farrell will throw Bailey back out there to close next time. He seems to give his players some rope to reel it in and perform up to expectations. If they dont, then he has made no secret of it that he will make a move. He uses more patience than some here, who would remove any player after a couple bad games it seems.

    If Bailey cant pull it together over the next few chances, they will make a move.

    Personally, I like paps back in Boston. But the more I think about it and look at RDLR, I think they should think about him. He still has got poor control over 5-6IP. A ton of walks. But to condense him to 1IP and let him air out, that FB and ++ change could work as a closer.

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    The fact of the matter is that Bailey has been ineffective as a closer, whatever the reason is. He has had 11 save opportunities and blown three. In some of the others he created drama that is not characteristic of good closers. His ERA is over 3-not good for a closer, and his WHIP is 1.21, again not good for a closer. If this is not the time to remove him from that role then that time is getting very very close. Uehara cannot do it; he will break down in that role, and Miller has control issues. I would prefer Tazawa for now.

     
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    Do some here ever look at the numbers rather than their memories????
    He has 2 BLOWN Saves but not in a ROW. He also has 2 Blown Wins (not in a row)  games they won for him. He also has 8 saves and 4 Holds.

    In June he has pitched in 7 games

    1=1 inning no runs

    2) = 1 inning no runs     Win

    3)= 1 inning no runs

    4)=1 inning 2 runs Blown Save

    5)= 1 inning no runs Save

    6)= 1 inning 2 runs Save

    7)= 1 inning 1 run Blown Win

    In 23 games and 22.1 innings he has given up 8 runs 2 runs each in 2 games with 4 in 21 games.

    The actual issue is 3 HRs in his last 4 games.Johnson on the O's had 4 BS in May and now is up to 26 Saves, Rodney has 5 BS and several BWs...Just saying only Mariano usually does not have a bad streak.

    I'm not against Bailey but I'd love to have Paps back. Too many remember that one game or the 7 BS in one year. However he saved on ave 35 games a year.

     

     

    Love the Red Sox and enjoy the ride every year

     
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    I nominate S5 as the new closer.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xGUBMmmQWM



    Yeah, I'll do it for that, Joel.  Smile

     
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    We want to ignore the fact that he's had three blown saves in a row??  What are we thinking?? (or to punctuate that differently, "What?  Are we thinking??)

    I'm all for using someone, anyone else in the closer's role until Baily can get through one inning without giving up a run in three consecutive outings. 

    This isn't an isolated incident.  It's three in a row.  What does this team have to lose by making a change?  Anyone could blow three in a row.  *I* could do that, and I would for a lot less money. 

    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.




    He doesn't have three blown saves in a row.

    Just because you say it five times doesnt make it true.

     
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    Do some here ever look at the numbers rather than their memories????
    He has 2 BLOWN Saves but not in a ROW. He also has 2 Blown Wins (not in a row)  games they won for him. He also has 8 saves and 4 Holds.

    In June he has pitched in 7 games

    1=1 inning no runs

    2) = 1 inning no runs     Win

    3)= 1 inning no runs

    4)=1 inning 2 runs Blown Save

    5)= 1 inning no runs Save

    6)= 1 inning 2 runs Save

    7)= 1 inning 1 run Blown Win

    In 23 games and 22.1 innings he has given up 8 runs 2 runs each in 2 games with 4 in 21 games.

    The actual issue is 3 HRs in his last 4 games.Johnson on the O's had 4 BS in May and now is up to 26 Saves, Rodney has 5 BS and several BWs...Just saying only Mariano usually does not have a bad streak.

    I'm not against Bailey but I'd love to have Paps back. Too many remember that one game or the 7 BS in one year. However he saved on ave 35 games a year.

     

     

    Love the Red Sox and enjoy the ride every year



    My mistake, Jim.  I stated that Bailey had three consecutive blown saves in the opening post.  Thanks for correcting me and I'll try to be less reckless with the facts.

    Still, that doesn't change the main point of the thread.  He may not have had three consecutive blown saves, but recently, he blows.   And really, look at the games highlighted.  If you want to present the "facts," you can boast that he was awarded a save and a win for those atrocious outings.

     

     

     
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    We want to ignore the fact that he's had three blown saves in a row??  What are we thinking?? (or to punctuate that differently, "What?  Are we thinking??)

    I'm all for using someone, anyone else in the closer's role until Baily can get through one inning without giving up a run in three consecutive outings. 

    This isn't an isolated incident.  It's three in a row.  What does this team have to lose by making a change?  Anyone could blow three in a row.  *I* could do that, and I would for a lot less money. 

    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

     




     

    He doesn't have three blown saves in a row.

    Just because you say it five times doesnt make it true.



    My fault. 

    Note to self:  Don't assume that just because someone says something, that it's true.  I should have dony my own research.

    However... that doesn't change my opinion about B ailey needing to have three consistent good outings before I'd let him close again.

     
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    This is not brain surgery. Tazawa and Uehara are the two best (and most reliable) bullpen guys we have. Alternate them, in the closer role. And I would not be afraid to bring the "designated closer" in with maybe one or two outs in the eighth. You know that guy is not going to be available the next day. I hate this business of Uehara coming in, striking out 2 or 3 batters, than be lifted for some stiff who simply doesn't have it. Save Tazawa and Uehara for the 8th and into the 9th. But, only one of them!

    Miller and Breslow are what they are; lefty specialists (and, yes, I know Breslaow L/R numbers, he's still a lefty specialist.

    And please, forget Papelbon.

     
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    It works sometimes, worked for the Cardinals in 2011. Not sure about it in the ALE though.

     
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    Miller - bank on it!

    As always - 100% correct!

     
     
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    I'm not a fan of bringing Paplebon back.  I'd hate to see the team trade prospects to bring in Paplebon unless the team has a chance to go deep in the post season. Maybe later if Buchholtz turns out to be okay, and Lester begins getting a few calls. 

     




    Paps wouldnt cost more than a B prospect and maybe Bailey. Its the money off the payroll thats the issue with Philly.

     
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    I've seen enough of Bailey as closer, but Farrell has not, and he knows a lot more than I do. 

    Five relievers on this current team have better ERA's than Bailey--Uehara, Tazawa, Miller, Breslow, and Wilson.  What they all have in common that Bailey does not have is the willingness to mix in breaking balls.  Last night Farrell commented that opposing hitters are feasting on Bailey's fastball in part because he won't throw anything else in the strike zone. 

     

     

     




    His location of the FB is the issue, not so much just the FB.

     

     

     

    Farrell will throw Bailey back out there to close next time. He seems to give his players some rope to reel it in and perform up to expectations. If they dont, then he has made no secret of it that he will make a move. He uses more patience than some here, who would remove any player after a couple bad games it seems.

    If Bailey cant pull it together over the next few chances, they will make a move.

    Personally, I like paps back in Boston. But the more I think about it and look at RDLR, I think they should think about him. He still has got poor control over 5-6IP. A ton of walks. But to condense him to 1IP and let him air out, that FB and ++ change could work as a closer.

     

     



    The fact of the matter is that Bailey has been ineffective as a closer, whatever the reason is. He has had 11 save opportunities and blown three. In some of the others he created drama that is not characteristic of good closers. His ERA is over 3-not good for a closer, and his WHIP is 1.21, again not good for a closer. If this is not the time to remove him from that role then that time is getting very very close. Uehara cannot do it; he will break down in that role, and Miller has control issues. I would prefer Tazawa for now.

     

     

     




    Taz looked terrible and out of place in that role last time. If Miller is hot, then he should do it. But it will be closer by commitee because once he cools down, as you said, he has control issues. Id see how RDLR does. Hes got a ton of walks when the pitches 5-6 innings. Maybe if hes just throwing 1IP he can harness it.

    Im not saying to make any change right now. Just suggestions for a possible replacement IF Bailey should fail.

     
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    Lefthanders are in the minority for closers probably because of the number of righthanded bats they would be most likely to face.

    I would love to see two guys as potential Sox Closers: Glen Perkins/ Steve Cishek(Falmouth,MA)--it would cost dearly to get either.

    I like the opportunity to have maybe two closer teams that would include a RH and LH on each twosome: who cares who gets the Save--a Save means your team won. You have Miguel Cab and Prince we have Ue and Miller--let the challenge begin.

    Miller and Ue

    Morales and Taz

    Bailey and Breslow set-up

    Wilson/ Beato-put out a fire--not ignite one in inning 6 or 7 to get 1 or 2 outs men on base.

    Just a thought.

     
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    Lefthanders are in the minority for closers probably because of the number of righthanded bats they would be most likely to face.

    I like the opportunity to have maybe two closer teams that would include a RH and LH on each twosome.: 

    Miller and Ue

    Morales and Taz

    Bailey and Breslow set-up

    Wilson/ Beato-put out a fire--not ignite one in inning 6 or 7 to get 1 or 2 outs men on base.

    Just a thought.




    I agree that they are the minority. Just on the pure rarity of the southpaw. But when miller is on his game, it doesnt matter. He can get either out. The problem is, he goes on stretches (hes in a hot one currently) and isnt consistent throughout the season.

    Taz looked completely lost as a closer last time. If he were to do it again, he needs to adapt the correct mindset and "air it out" for one inning, not nit pick and approach it as if he may go 2 innings. He can amp it up to 95-96. Koji? Seems to get tired and less effective more easily this year. Very effective when he doesnt throw consecutive days. Not good for a closer that might have to throw 3 days in a row.

    The tandum closer has been done before, but only when necessary. And for good reason. Its good to have 2 guys that are capable of closing like we had to start the season, but everyone needs to have their role defined. Pitchers seem to work better that way.

     

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