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    Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 6:24 PM EDT

    This guy has to be doing something for that arm that we all know died five years ago.  Where is the "honest Mr. Selig" when you need him :)
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 6:34 PM EDT

    He left today after 6 with 0 ER and 6 K's with a 4-0 lead. Amazing, normally the first start after a DL stint is shaky.
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 7:09 PM EDT

    Colon's performances are a mixed bag - the better he pitches, the more he forces MLB's hand.  If he was effective but not dominant, it could be a non-story, but after today his ERA is down to 2.88, and everybody who sees him for the first time has the same reaction - this shouldn't be possible.

     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 7:22 PM EDT

    totally agree, no player has ever come back and had a season like this.  It is impossible for a clean athlete to recover from injuries and be this good.  Why aren't the yankees tested like all the other teams.  there has to be at least 16 guys juicing on that team this year.  It isn't fair that they aren't tested like the rest of MLB.
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 7:22 PM EDT

    no question in my mind that Bartolo is on some sort of drug or enhancer. It's Clemens-esque.
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 7:25 PM EDT

    yes, great comparison.  he is playing like Clemens and bonds and mcguire and giambi and pettitte and sosa and gradyson and teixiera and canseco and all the other juicers.  the evidence is overwelming.  WHY WON'T THEY SUSPEND HIM?  I DON'T GET IT.
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 7:39 PM EDT

    So is Agon and papi, Papi juiced with manny in 2004 and 2007.
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 7:42 PM EDT

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    totally agree, no player has ever come back and had a season like this.  It is impossible for a clean athlete to recover from injuries and be this good.  Why aren't the yankees tested like all the other teams.  there has to be at least 16 guys juicing on that team this year.  It isn't fair that they aren't tested like the rest of MLB.
    Posted by can-you-dig-it

      ..and while you're at it, tell us how they are not tested like every other team. Just a credibility check, Smiley....
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 7:47 PM EDT

    With all the HGH the socks do they still can't get to first place..Money mouth
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 7:55 PM EDT

    As a Sox fan...this is all sour grapes. If he tests positive at some point, then he, and the Yankees, and the league deserve all the criticism. But now? A whole lot of whining about a player doing well for another team.

    Just like I knew his body wouldn't hold up, I know this won't last much longer. If it DOES continue all season, well you can either mark it up to one of the most remarkable comeback stories ever in baseball, or decide he must have juiced. Either way, quit whining. Beckett? Ortiz? P.E.D.roia? You can fabricate steroid issues about Sox players as well...or in the case of Ortiz point to history. As with Arod.

    Baseball is dirty...cleaner than it was, but still dirty. To single out any single player or team is somewhat foolish.
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 7:59 PM EDT

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    As a Sox fan...this is all sour grapes. If he tests positive at some point, then he, and the Yankees, and the league deserve all the criticism. But now? A whole lot of whining about a player doing well for another team. Just like I knew his body wouldn't hold up, I know this won't last much longer. If it DOES continue all season, well you can either mark it up to one of the most remarkable comeback stories ever in baseball, or decide he must have juiced. Either way, quit whining. Beckett? Ortiz? P.E.D.roia? You can fabricate steroid issues about Sox players as well...or in the case of Ortiz point to history. As with Arod. Baseball is dirty...cleaner than it was, but still dirty. To single out any single player or team is somewhat foolish.
    Posted by ma6dragon9

      Exactly, Dragon. Well surmised ...
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:00 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Needle marked Colon?:
    As a Sox fan...this is all sour grapes. If he tests positive at some point, then he, and the Yankees, and the league deserve all the criticism. But now? A whole lot of whining about a player doing well for another team. Just like I knew his body wouldn't hold up, I know this won't last much longer. If it DOES continue all season, well you can either mark it up to one of the most remarkable comeback stories ever in baseball, or decide he must have juiced. Either way, quit whining. Beckett? Ortiz? P.E.D.roia? You can fabricate steroid issues about Sox players as well...or in the case of Ortiz point to history. As with Arod. Baseball is dirty...cleaner than it was, but still dirty. To single out any single player or team is somewhat foolish.
    Posted by ma6dragon9

    You're mis-informed.  For those who are not aware, Colon underwent a medical procedure last year that involved injecting stem cells into his elbow.  The procedure usually involves HGH, but the doctor performing the procedure insists this was not the case with Colon's procedure.  The procedure was done in secrecy in the Dominican Republic, and was not divulged until Colon's agent contacted the Yankees after he was informed the New York Times was about to break the story.  The Yankees, in turn, notified MLB.  MLB is currently investigating the procedure.


     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:03 PM EDT

     '' As a Sox fan...this is all sour grapes.''


    thanks ma6dragon9

    this board has been having a bad week or so
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:06 PM EDT


    In Response to Needle marked Colon?:
    This guy has to be pumping something into that arm that died five years ago.  Where is the "honest Mr. Selig" when you need him :)  Let's see 4th of July? My guess is at the Steinbrenners Yacht club.
    Posted by craze4sox




    so what exactly are you saying craze

    that colon is the only has been

    that has ever tried 'using' to get back to mlb



    and what could you possibly want a commissioner to do
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:12 PM EDT

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    He left today after 6 with 0 ER and 6 K's with a 4-0 lead. Amazing, normally the first start after a DL stint is shaky.
    Posted by sindarin-erebor

      Give examples.
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:13 PM EDT

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    In Response to Needle marked Colon? : so what exactly are you saying craze that colon is the only has been that has ever tried 'using' to get back to mlb and what could you possibly want a commissioner to do
    Posted by pinstripezac32


    Colon should be suspended pending the results of the investigation.  Or his contract should be voided by MLB - in the wake of the steroid era, do you believe the responsible thing to do is to turn a blind eye when a player has a secret operation in another country?  How many players in their mid-30s will "retire" for a year, and come back playing like they did in their prime?

     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:17 PM EDT

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    In Response to Needle marked Colon? : so what exactly are you saying craze that colon is the only has been that has ever tried 'using' to get back to mlb and what could you possibly want a commissioner to do
    Posted by pinstripezac32


    Not saying anything but it's a bit strange pinstripe.  I can't think of too many/if any has been pitchers that have ever regained this kind of arm strength after losing it.

    Even the average Yankee fan should see this is not the norm.
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:22 PM EDT

    Hear that Zac? He starts a bogus thread then says "he's not saying anything".
    Again, he claims to work for the RedSox organization.
    He claims Theo is a liar.

    We have a real BS'er in our midst.
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:23 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Needle marked Colon?:
    In Response to Re: Needle marked Colon? : Colon should be suspended pending the results of the investigation.  Or his contract should be voided by MLB - in the wake of the steroid era, do you believe the responsible thing to do is to turn a blind eye when a player has a secret operation in another country?  How many players in their mid-30s will "retire" for a year, and come back playing like they did in their prime?
    Posted by slomag

       "Suspended pending the results of the investigation.?" So when the results come back showing no wrong doing, Colon misses 5 starts, or whatever? That's fair, huh?
     Instead, why don't you look into where MLB is regarding this matter before you feed into this cretin-infested subject. One would think that if there was something fishy, it would have been disclosed by now. I mean, the guy had SURGERY......
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:27 PM EDT

                             I was watching a little of the NYY game this afternoon. Colon looked good. He has a lot of confidence. He's all puffed out and  slow walking. He's got swagger.....you know like Papi. He's kinda funny.
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:27 PM EDT

    Colon left baseball.  Quit the Sox, went back to the Dominican.  And came back a super man. 

    They don't test you when you quit.  And they don't test you in the dominican when a doctor is giving you stem cell injections.

    You have to be blind not to see where this is going.  I don't care if you are a Yankee fan or not.  If he hadn't said "stem cells", which to date do NOT work by injecting them and having them repair all the tissues underneath, then MLB wouldn't be so suspicious. 

    How inane that some of you think this is possible.  Those doctors in the Dominic would be SAVING LIVES, not dicking around with a fat baseball player's career, if this really worked.  But then again, a stupid fat baseball player with a ton of money is a good target for this type of rippoff, eh?

    It smells so badly of steroids it isn't funny. 
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:34 PM EDT

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                             I was watching a little of the NYY game this afternoon. Colon looked good. He has a lot of confidence. He's all puffed out and  slow walking. He's got swagger.....you know like Papi. He's kinda funny.
    Posted by eggplants


    Its just something I have personally never witnessed before.  I have seen young pitchers recover from surgery or a tired arm and regain strength but never an older veteran without surgery or much rest.  If finding this strange bothers a few Yank fans its not my intention just my personal observation.

    Maybe another poster knows of a player in history like this?
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:44 PM EDT

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    Yankee--Redsox Rivalry PED Flowchart Player performs better than recent seasons If Player == Red Sox      Whiners above sing his praises as a find else If Player == Yankees     Whiners above cry foul without due course 
    Posted by nhsteven


    nhsteven, I would say the same thing even if a miracle like this happened to Schill but his situation was much more believable.  Can you personally remember a situation like this?
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:45 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Needle marked Colon?:
    In Response to Re: Needle marked Colon? : Its just something I have personally never witnessed before.  I have seen young pitchers recover from surgery or a tired arm and regain strength but never an older veteran without surgery or much rest.  If finding this strange bothers a few Yank fans its not my intention just my personal observation. Maybe another poster knows of a player in history like this?
    Posted by craze4sox

      Much rest? Craze, he rested all LAST YEAR. He always had stuff.
    Tell us who the young pitchers you saw recover from surgery  and regained arm strength. This guy is a freakin' horse who got his head out of his Ar#e. Keep in mind he just missed a month. Six wins, not 15. If the Yanks squeeze 12 out of him, it's money well invested. It's not like he's staying off the DL.
     Give credit where it is due.
     And while you are at it, tell Andrew Miller to stop the 'roid use. His previous record belies his current performance. No way a guy goes from a journeyman record to one like he has now.
     When will Bud Selig respond to this?
     

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    Re: Needle marked Colon?

    posted at 7/2/2011 8:47 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Needle marked Colon?:
    In Response to Re: Needle marked Colon? : You're mis-informed.  For those who are not aware, Colon underwent a medical procedure last year that involved injecting stem cells into his elbow.  The procedure usually involves HGH, but the doctor performing the procedure insists this was not the case with Colon's procedure.  The procedure was done in secrecy in the Dominican Republic, and was not divulged until Colon's agent contacted the Yankees after he was informed the New York Times was about to break the story.  The Yankees, in turn, notified MLB.  MLB is currently investigating the procedure.
    Posted by slomag


    I'll own my ignorance about this, thanks for the info.

    However, suspended pending the results? What about innocent until proven guilty?

    If he lasts all year, I too will think something is amiss, but my main point is to not be so quick to point fingers. There are too many dirty players across baseball, and it's a shame that clean players get looked at skeptically, and not lauded as much as they deserve because of what this league has done. Jose Bautista anyone? If anything raises an eyebrow, it's him, but it's not fair to continually question the guy. It's really not fair to question anyone. All we can really, and fairly do as fans is keep those comments to ourselves, and unleash the fury on the players who DO test positive, of which there are plenty. Manny and Palmeiro will forever be my two biggest frauds, and Clemens and Bonds will likely find themselves on that list, but without concrete proof, there's too much of it all across baseball to single out a few here and there.

    Charlie Sheen took roids for Major League! Talk about devotion to accuracy in his role.

    I will say that the testing is still inadequate. Why not just test every player every week? Why not test for HGH? The union knows how dirty they are, that's why they agree to nothing, that's why it's so unfair to go after a select few. I guarantee there are guys juicing who are still 5th starters and utility infielders, but they get a pass?