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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Babe, with all due respect would you rather have Colon and Gargia at this point starting with Hughes coming out of the pen, or Hughes starting?  Sox fans know Clay is a solid starter and would never even consider he move to the pen at this point.

    Posted by craze4sox

    I think I'd rather have all 3 starting with Nova back in AAA

     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : I think I'd rather have all 3 starting with Nova back in AAA
    Posted by --The----Babe----


    Fair enough, but do really feel after watching Hughes start and relieve he is better off starting?  I don't see Hughes being the over powering starter the Yankees made him out to be.  I see him being your number 4 with Garcia sitting but neither doing better than the other in a starting role.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : OOOOOH, a challenge.  I'm not going back and reread all your posts.  I'll just wait for your next authoritative "the Yankees are going to fade" post to point it out to you.
    Posted by LS350


    In your words, I "constantly make pronouncements based on nothing", but it's a chore to find a single example?  I found one for you, and I didn't even know you existed 10 minutes ago.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Fair enough, but do really feel after watching Hughes start and relieve he is better off starting?  I don't see Hughes being the over powering starter the Yankees made him out to be.  I see him being your number 4 with Garcia sitting but neither doing better than the other in a starting role.
    Posted by craze4sox


    I see Bucholz as about a 4 or 5 as well.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Fair enough, but do really feel after watching Hughes start and relieve he is better off starting?  I don't see Hughes being the over powering starter the Yankees made him out to be.  I see him being your number 4 with Garcia sitting but neither doing better than the other in a starting role.

    Posted by craze4sox

    LOL...the kid is 25 years old. Not saying he's going to be an "over powering" starter, but he's surely good enough to be a solid #3 right now and maybe even more in the future.

     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Bucholz is "solid"?  How is he doing right now? Posted by Camelwalk 6-3, 3.48 ERA---slomag ---------------------------------------------------------- Those may be his final stats for the year. Not bad at all. Posted by mfymfy By this logic, I'm guessing you and Camelwalk consider Albert Pujols a hack.---slomag ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pujols is coming back off the DL as early as tonight. Buch has an appointment with a back specialist.
    Posted by mfymfy



    I see - so you think Clay s*cks right now, but as soon as the Sox announce he may return you will consider him "solid".  Personally, I don't think a muscle strain will keep him out the rest of the season.  I actually think this has more to do with the current rotation than Clay himself.


     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Bucholz is "solid"?  How is he doing right now? Posted by Camelwalk 6-3, 3.48 ERA---slomag ---------------------------------------------------------- Those may be his final stats for the year. Not bad at all. Posted by mfymfy By this logic, I'm guessing you and Camelwalk consider Albert Pujols a hack.---slomag ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pujols is coming back off the DL as early as tonight. Buch has an appointment with a back specialist.
    Posted by mfymfy

    I see - so you think Clay s*cks right now, but as soon as the Sox announce he may return you will consider him "solid".  Personally, I don't think a muscle strain will keep him out the rest of the season.  I actually think this has more to do with the current rotation than Clay himself.---slomag
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    That's weak bait, brother. I don't think Clay s***s at all.  I think he's a terrific young starter with what seems to be some back issues. I do know he's not helping the Sox right now who appear to need a lot of pitching help.
    You were selling us on him being solid. He's not. He's hurt. If and when he returns, he may or may not be solid until he puts up solid #s. How's that?
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Bucholz is "solid"?  How is he doing right now? Posted by Camelwalk 6-3, 3.48 ERA---slomag ---------------------------------------------------------- Those may be his final stats for the year. Not bad at all. Posted by mfymfy By this logic, I'm guessing you and Camelwalk consider Albert Pujols a hack.---slomag ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pujols is coming back off the DL as early as tonight. Buch has an appointment with a back specialist. Posted by mfymfy I see - so you think Clay s*cks right now, but as soon as the Sox announce he may return you will consider him "solid".  Personally, I don't think a muscle strain will keep him out the rest of the season.  I actually think this has more to do with the current rotation than Clay himself.---slomag ________________________________________________________________ That's weak bait, brother. I don't think Clay s***s at all.  I think he's a terrific young starter with what seems to be some back issues. I do know he's not helping the Sox right now who appear to need a lot of pitching help. You were selling us on him being solid. He's not. He's hurt. If and when he returns, he may or may not be solid until he puts up solid #s. How's that?
    Posted by mfymfy


    Well put.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Bucholz is "solid"?  How is he doing right now? Posted by Camelwalk 6-3, 3.48 ERA---slomag ---------------------------------------------------------- Those may be his final stats for the year. Not bad at all. Posted by mfymfy By this logic, I'm guessing you and Camelwalk consider Albert Pujols a hack.---slomag ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pujols is coming back off the DL as early as tonight. Buch has an appointment with a back specialist. Posted by mfymfy I see - so you think Clay s*cks right now, but as soon as the Sox announce he may return you will consider him "solid".  Personally, I don't think a muscle strain will keep him out the rest of the season.  I actually think this has more to do with the current rotation than Clay himself.---slomag ________________________________________________________________ That's weak bait, brother. I don't think Clay s***s at all.  I think he's a terrific young starter with what seems to be some back issues. I do know he's not helping the Sox right now who appear to need a lot of pitching help. You were selling us on him being solid. He's not. He's hurt. If and when he returns, he may or may not be solid until he puts up solid #s. How's that?
    Posted by mfymfy

    Far more intelligent.  When you object to the statement that Buchholz is a solid #3, the inference is that you are objecting to his ability, not his health.

    Camelwalk seems to both agree with you that Buchholz is a "terrific young starter" and considers him a #4 starter at best. 


     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Far more intelligent.  When you object to the statement that Buchholz is a solid #3, the inference is that you are objecting to his ability, not his health. Camelwalk seems to both agree with you that Buchholz is a "terrific young starter" and considers him a #4 starter at best. 
    Posted by slomag


    I made that comment sarcastically, Bucholz is good he's not Cy Young but he is good but as of right now he is anything but solid because of his injury.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Yes, I followed your link and saw that Colon's WHIP is currently 1.055.  The best of his career was his cy young season when he posted a 1.159.   I think we can all agree that WHIP is a better measure of a pitcher's performance than ERA.  Finesse or not, Garcia's WHIP of 1.272 is too high to be commensurate with a 3.15 ERA.  In fact, it's the highest WHIP of any pitcher with an ERA under 3.28.  Burnett's WHIP is lower than Garcia's.  It's not a bad WHIP - just more in line with his career stats.  That's not an implosion, but you are not likely to see the results you saw in the first half. As for Nova, If you're expecting better results from Hughes, I'm not sure what that's based on. 
    Posted by slomag


    Well, then you should have clarified that. As far as Hughes is concerned; you're making assumptions about what I expect. I don't know what he's going to do, and neither do you; but I know what you're hoping for.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : I challenge you to give a single example.  If you fail to, you are a hypocrite.
    Posted by slomag


    Well you did proclaim the Yankees are going to fade; for now, that doesn't look too good.
     
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    Posted by slomag


    And less wins than Nova (8); who's in the bushes. We know Clay is a very good pitcher; just sayin'.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Camelwalk, there is no comparison to Hughes and Clay whether he may be on the DL or not.  Who produces more for their team is what counts.  Hughes in my opinion usually does well out of the bullpen but as a starter?
    Posted by craze4sox


    This I agree with.
     
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    Posted by nhsteven


    The subject of my post was WHIP - it couldn't have been much clearer.  

    If you're not expecting better results from Hughes than from Nova, then your point about a the Yankees having a logjam at SP is pretty meaningless.

     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Well you did proclaim the Yankees are going to fade; for now, that doesn't look too good.
    Posted by nhsteven


    Be patient - I didn't predict the Yankees would be out of it by the All-Star break.  The only prediction I made about the All-Star break was that Teixeira would not make the team.  
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Be patient - I didn't predict the Yankees would be out of it by the All-Star break.  The only prediction I made about the All-Star break was that Teixeira would not make the team.  

    Posted by slomag

    Funny how last year agone said he wouldn't play in the AS game in AZ. That was when he was in the NL and had no shot because of pujols, howard, fielder and votto. Convenient now that he's in the AL that he will play in the game. What a joke.

     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Funny how last year agone said he wouldn't play in the AS game in AZ. That was when he was in the NL and had no shot because of pujols, howard, fielder and votto. Convenient now that he's in the AL that he will play in the game. What a joke.
    Posted by --The----Babe----

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0

    Gonzalez WAR = 4.3
    Votto = 3.7
    Fielder = 3.6
    Pujols = 2.5




     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : Be patient - I didn't predict the Yankees would be out of it by the All-Star break.  The only prediction I made about the All-Star break was that Teixeira would not make the team.  
    Posted by slomag


    The Yanks are going to the playoffs, you can bank on that.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : The subject of my post was WHIP - it couldn't have been much clearer.   If you're not expecting better results from Hughes than from Nova, then your point about a the Yankees having a logjam at SP is pretty meaningless.
    Posted by slomag


    It seemed like that you placed equal emphasis on WHIP and ERA, and IMO it wasn't clear. Here is what you said

    Garcia's WHIP is career average, as will his ERA be by the end of the season. Colon's is the best of his career.  By quite a bit.  

    That's not "couldn't be more clear" in my book. Regardless, ERA or no ERA, your By quite a bit.  statement is a little over the top, especially when you consider the come down in hitting since (i.e, WHIP+). The guy won the CYA in 2005, and you act like it's not even there.

    As far as Hughes is concerned, I didn't say that; I said I didn't know what to expect.  Go back and reread my post. In any case, Nova's a nice Plan B.
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : The Yanks are going to the playoffs, you can bank on that.
    Posted by Camelwalk


    In baseball, you can't bank on anything.
     
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    Posted by nhsteven


    The Yanks are going to the playoffs, its as close to a lock as anything.  The Sox going to the playoffs is as much of a lock as Casey Anthony being found guilty...oh wait
     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0 Gonzalez WAR = 4.3 Votto = 3.7 Fielder = 3.6 Pujols = 2.5

    Posted by slomag

    Yeah, that's great. WAR is very flawed, how else can you account for lackey having a positive WAR this season. Also, what would agone's WAR be if he was still in the NL playing for the padres?

    Not to mention that WAR has nothing to do with getting voted to the AS game.

    Clueless once again.

     
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    In Response to Re: Colon? : The Yanks are going to the playoffs, its as close to a lock as anything.  The Sox going to the playoffs is as much of a lock as Casey Anthony being found guilty...oh wait
    Posted by Camelwalk


    Disagree.
     
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    Posted by nhsteven


    Its cool.
     
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