Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

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    Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    After looking at the early numbers of Vizquel and Smith an argument can be made to let Iglesias learn to bat in the bigs.

    Smith only played 68 games in minors (.753) and he struggled in MLB until he was 27 yo.. 

    23 yo   .623
    24 yo   .522
    25 yo   .589
    26 yo   .549

    From 27 to 34 he ranged from ~.650 to .775.

    Vizquel from 21 to 23 yo was below .600 in the minors. At 24 yo in MLB he had a .595.  From 27 to 35 yo he ranged from .650 to .833.

    Iglesias has been inept with the bat in Arizona and AAA ( .521 ), that being said the two greats above were not much better when they started out in the majors.
     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    That's great....but the days of the all glove no bat SS are long gone.
     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    Lowrie is an elite MLB SS.
     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    In Response to Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.:
    [QUOTE]After looking at the early numbers of Vizquel and Smith an argument can be made to let him learn to bat in the bigs. Smith only played 68 games in minors (.753) and he struggled in MLB until he was 27 yo..  23 yo   .623 24 yo   .522 25 yo   .589 26 yo   .549 From 27 to 34 he ranged from ~.650 to .775. Vizquel from 21 to 23 yo was below .600 in the minors. At 24 yo in MLB he had a .595.  From 27 to 35 yo he ranged from .650 to .833. Iglesias has been inept with the bat in Arizona and AAA ( .521 ), that being said the two greats above were not much better when they started out in the majors.
    Posted by tom-uk[/QUOTE]

    Fielding at SS is most important. Hitting is secondary.

     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    Yes, but comparing him to those 2 is a bit premature.
     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    comparing him to those 2 is a bit premature.                     

    What is implicit in the OP is how difficult will it be for Iglesias to develop offensively in the majors without "success" in AAA?  Comparing the early production of two great glove SS is encouraging in this respect.  Omar and Ozzie developed into hitters fairly late and were not hurt long-term "learning" how to hit in MLB, despite early struggles.

    I looked up the numbers and changed my mind about the danger of hurting Iglesias by bringing him up too early. 
     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

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    [QUOTE]comparing him to those 2 is a bit premature.                      What is implicit in the OP is how difficult will it be for Iglesias to develop offensively in the majors without "success" in AAA?  Comparing the early production of two great glove SS is encouraging in this respect.  Omar and Ozzie developed into hitters fairly late and were not hurt long-term "learning" how to hit in MLB, despite early struggles. I looked up the numbers and changed my mind about the danger of hurting Iglesias by bringing him up too early. 
    Posted by tom-uk[/QUOTE]

    That's because there were plenty of guys (not necessarily SSs) who were killed/ruined for coming up too early.
     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    I haven't yet seen Iglesias's greatness with the glove, whereas Ozzie and Omar were terrific from the get go. 
     
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    [QUOTE]"Fielding at SS is most important. Hitting is secondary." Ask Drew and Crawford how "secondary" hitting is when you play for the Boston Red Sox.
    Posted by davetheknave[/QUOTE]

    Uh, the comment was about hitting at the ss position, not outfield... Try to keep up!
     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    Neither Ozzie or Omar had to learn OJT in Boston. Different kettle of fish mentally at any rate.
     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    Iglesias has been hitting better lately, the past month or so. He always hit well before this year. There is no reason to think that he will not continue to improve offensively.

    I posted earlier in the year that even with his bat being less than average he might still improve this team overall considering our SS situation. With that being said, the Sox can probably afford to keep him in Pawtucket developing for his benefit and the team's long term benefit but there is no reason to keep him in Pawtucket after their season ends. They should definitely make him a September call up.

    He's still only 21 or so. We should be patient with this guy. He still is our top prospect IMO, along with Lavarnway.
     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    For what it's worth, Jose Iglesias is hitting .216 over the past 10 games:

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=578428

    I'm not convinced Iglesias will ever be a productive hitter, but his glove could warrant an MLB starting gig for a heavy-hitting team.
     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    "Fielding at SS is most important. Hitting is secondary."


     Ask Drew and Crawford how "secondary" hitting is when you play for the Boston Red Sox.
    Posted by davetheknave


    Uh, the comment was about hitting at the ss position, not outfield... Try to keep up! Posted by westcoastsox9



    ask Alexander Gonzalez how "secondary" hitting is when you play for the Boston Red Sox.
     
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    Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.

    In Response to Re: Comparing Iglesias to Omar V. and Ozzie.:
    [QUOTE]Iglesias has been hitting better lately, the past month or so. He always hit well before this year. There is no reason to think that he will not continue to improve offensively. I posted earlier in the year that even with his bat being less than average he might still improve this team overall considering our SS situation. With that being said, the Sox can probably afford to keep him in Pawtucket developing for his benefit and the team's long term benefit but there is no reason to keep him in Pawtucket after their season ends. They should definitely make him a September call up. He's still only 21 or so. We should be patient with this guy. He still is our top prospect IMO, along with Lavarnway.
    Posted by Boomerangsdotcom[/QUOTE]
    What do you mean by "less than average" in the majors? What do you mean by "hitting better"? What do you think he would hit if he were brought up this year?
    The two biggest hurdles in baseball are from high school to college and from AAA to the majors. Iglesias is faltering badly at the latter. That is a reason to wonder at least whether he'll ever hit well enough to play SS for the Boston Red Sox -- with Theo in charge.

     
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