Compensation and Trades

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    If they really didn't get "anywhere near... compensation they expected", then they would have held Theo back and bargained for it. Guys, Theo was not coming back. Right or wrong, they let the whole world know it. That took away any leverage they might have had. It's over. Good bye Theo. Let's move on. 
    Posted by moonslav59


    Moon, the point is Theo could have come back if he wanted to. 

    As what? The ballboy?

    Once he asked for and got permission to talk top the clube, and it was made public, he was never going to have a meaningful role in the management of the 2012 Sox.

    The Sox announced they wouldn't hold Theo back it he wanted to leave, which has been common MLB practice with executives having a chance at a promotion with another club.
    Do you see the Padres clamor ing for compensation for Hoyer or McLeod? The Cards for Luhnow? 
    Theo wanted to move on to a higher position, and the Sox did not stand in his way. Zero compensation should have been expected, unless a deal was made prior.

    I agree 100%, and they obviously agreed on some compensation. I think they got more than expected, because it was more than nothing.
     
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    So why did they GIVE AWAY THE LEVERAGE with Theo?

    everyone keeps saying how dumb the front office was for doing that. This team has smart baseball guys though.....if it was so obvious not to do that....why did they?

    It wasn't "dumb" if their plan was to replace Theo anyway, or if they we ambivalent to his return or not.
     
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    GM HH That pretty much covers it. The only thing I would add is Larry needed a new lap dog as Theo was beginning to believe he was in charge. could be I read or heard that the cubs and ben agreed to carp way back in nov but larry nixed it
    Posted by pinstripezac
    I'am happy with Carp. Anytime you get a hard thrower good things usually happen.  That is the only aspect of pitching that can't be learned.
     
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    In Response to Re: Compensation and Trades : I'am happy with Carp. Anytime you get a hard thrower good things usually happen.  That is the only aspect of pitching that can't be learned.
    Posted by Hingham Hammer


    Good point look at Craig Hansen.
     
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    In Response to Re: Compensation and Trades : I'am happy with Carp. Anytime you get a hard thrower good things usually happen.  That is the only aspect of pitching that can't be learned.
    Posted by Hingham Hammer


    yup

    speaking of the value of a young hard thrower

    hard to believe that
    Fangraph's rated the 2nd kid we got

    4 montero  the yanks 2nd best prospect
     
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    Here is Henry's explanation:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post/_/id/16827/henry-on-theo-misunderstanding-with-ricketts
     
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    In Response to Re: Compensation and Trades : yup speaking of the value of a young hard thrower hard to believe that Fangraph's rated the 2nd kid we got 4 montero  the yanks 2nd best prospect
    Posted by pinstripezac
    GM Zac, Not one bit surprised. From what I've heard and read he could be the best part of the package for TWM's man love.

     At the very least you have added two very good pitchers that are happy Montero won't be catching them.
     
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    In Response to Re: Compensation and Trades : GM Zac, Not one bit surprised. From what I've heard and read he could be the best part of the package for TWM's man love.  At the very least you have added two very good pitchers that are happy Montero won't be catching them.
    Posted by Hingham Hammer


    LMAO HH
     
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    The Yankees always overrate their prospects, Lets see what Monterro does over a full year. he does not project, well as a cathcher. Seattle could have picked up a DH much cheaper than giving up Pineda. Wonder why they did that maybe they know something about Pineda? Is that you Camel Walk under another name ? response to "Re: Compensation and Trades":
    In Response to Re: Compensation and Trades : yup speaking of the value of a young hard thrower hard to believe that Fangraph's rated the 2nd kid we got 4 montero  the yanks 2nd best prospect Posted by pinstripezac
     
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    In Response to Re: Compensation and Trades : yup speaking of the value of a young hard thrower hard to believe that Fangraph's rated the 2nd kid we got 4 montero  the yanks 2nd best prospect
    Posted by pinstripezac

    Perhaps that says more about the Yankee farm system than about the value of Jose Campos, who would be ranked no higher than sixth (behind Montero, a shortstop and three pitchers) in the Seattle farm system.

    One source now has Hector Noesi as Seattle's 10th-ranked prospect:

    http://prospectinsider.com/view/m's-top-25-prospects/

    The same evaluator had some interesting comments about Michael Pineda in his chat last week:

    http://prospectinsider.com/chat022311.php
     
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    sorry about that but the writing is similar and camel walk was a very big Yankee fan.
     
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    Perhaps that says more about the Yankee farm system than about the value of Jose Campos,
     

    sure enough hill

    but  all I know was he passed


    Dellin Betances  who was rated 63 in BP top 101



    The same evaluator had some interesting comments about Michael Pineda in his chat last week:

    http://prospectinsider.com/chat022311.php

    thanks but that link didn't work 4 me

    I will try it later
     
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    Fangraph's Yankees top 15 prospects:




    1. Manny Banuelos, LHP
    BORN: March 13, 1991
    EXPERIENCE: 4 seasons
    ACQUIRED: 2008 international free agent
    2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: 3rd

    With the trade of Jesus Montero to Seattle, Banuelos moves up the organizational ladder and into the No. 1 prospect hole. The southpaw is probably about a year away from joining the Yankees’ starting rotation, once he finds a little more consistency with both his fastball command and his overall control. He opened the year with 95.1 innings of work in double-A, where he posted a 4.01 FIP (3.59 ERA) and a walk rate of 4.91 BB/9. Moved up to triple-A for 34.1 more innings Banuelos managed a 3.90 FIP (4.19 ERA) and a walk rate of 4.98 BB/9. Another 100-120 innings in triple-A would definitely be of benefit to the lefty, who features an 89-94 mph fastball, a curveball and a changeup. All three pitches flash the potential to be above-average or plus, giving him a shot at developing into a No. 1 starter in the most dangerous league in Major League Baseball.

    2. Jose Campos, RHP
    BORN: July 27, 1992
    EXPERIENCE: 3 seasons
    ACQUIRED: 2009 non-drafted free agent (Seattle)
    2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: Off (Mariners)

    A shocking ranking for Campos, no doubt, but I love his arm and believe the Mariners will eventually rue the day they included him in the Michael Pineda/Jesus Montero trade. The right-hander fires his fastball up into the 97-98 mph range but sits 91-95 mph. He displays above-average command of his fastball given his young age. His secondary pitches both need significant work (curveball, changeup) but the foundation is there for a No. 1 or 2 starter if he develops properly. Campos struck out 85 batters in 81.2 innings in short-season ball in ’11. He walked just 11 and induced an above-average number of ground-ball outs. With a 6’4” 200 lbs frame, the Venezuela native has the potential to develop into a workhorse. Just 19, Campos has three years of pro experience under his belt (including two seasons in the Venezuelan Summer League) and he should receive his first taste of full-season ball in 2012.

    3. Dellin Betances, RHP
    BORN: March 23, 1988
    EXPERIENCE: 6 seasons
    ACQUIRED: 2006 8th round, New York high school
    2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: 4th

    Betances comes in at the No. 3 spot, knocked down by a less advanced power pitcher, because he currently projects as a reliever at the big league level. The right-hander has an above-average fastball sitting between 90-95 mph and it features lots of movement, which causes it to miss the strike zone a little too much. His changeup may have passed his breaking ball as his second-best pitch but the curve still shows potential. Like a lot of tall pitchers (6’8” 260 lbs), Betances fights his delivery and that leads to the inconsistent command and control. He spent the majority of 2011 in double-A where he posted a 3.70 FIP (3.42 ERA) in 105.1 innings of work. He also pitched 21 innings in triple-A and 2.2 innings during his debut in The Show. His walk rate increased with each promotion, helping to underscore the need for more seasoning. The soon-to-be 24-year-old pitcher will likely return to triple-A and await an opening in either the starting rotation or, more likely, the bullpen.
     
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    sorry about that but the writing is similar and camel walk was a very big Yankee fan.
    Posted by AL34


    fair enough

    I only know the name from pike

    calling posters trolls and including the camelwalk name
     
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    I remember all the Yankee cant miss prospects of the 80s like Sam Milatello, Kevin Maas, Paul Mirabella, Bam Bam Muelins, Henry Cotto, Steve Balboni, 2000 Austin Jackson, Hughes, Chamberlain. response to "Re: Compensation and Trades":
    In Response to Re: Compensation and Trades : fair enough I only know the name from pike calling posters trolls and including the camelwalk name Posted by pinstripezac
     
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    In Response to Re: Compensation and Trades : fair enough I only know the name from pike calling posters trolls and including the camelwalk name
    Posted by pinstripezac


    Camelwalk was accused of being Mikeyinthebronx through some irrefutable logic by UticaClub about six months ago. Camelwalk finally admitted that he was Mikey and JesseyEric advised Camelwalk to cool it for the good of the forum. Yankee fan enabler J-Bay also encouraged Mikey to deep-six the Camelwalk character. Camelwalk hasn't been seen since. He may have been replaced by TBSHTM1969 / ThatWasMe but they have been banned in recent days.

    LOL on Zac never hearing of Camelwalk. That sounds like ThatWasMe last week saying that he never heard of Babe in his three years here. LOL.
     
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    Thanks for exxplaining that, I was wondering what happened to him, he was a Yankee fan who lived on thisforum. In response to "Re: Compensation and Trades":
    In Response to Re: Compensation and Trades : Camelwalk was accused of being Mikeyinthebronx through some irrefutable logic by UticaClub about six months ago. Camelwalk finally admitted that he was Mikey and JesseyEric advised Camelwalk to cool it for the good of the forum. Yankee fan enabler also encouraged Mikey to deep-six the Camelwalk character. Camelwalk hasn't been seen since. He may have been replaced by TBSHTM1969 / ThatWasMe but they have been banned in recent days. LOL on Zac never hearing of Camelwalk. That sounds like ThatWasMe last week saying that he never heard of Babe in his three years here. LOL. Posted by lowelll
     
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    I remember all the Yankee cant miss prospects of the 80s like Sam Milatello, Kevin Maas, Paul Mirabella, Bam Bam Muelins, Henry Cotto, Steve Balboni, 2000 Austin Jackson, Hughes, Chamberlain. response to "Re: Compensation and Trades":
    Posted by AL34


    is this where I'm supposed to list all the overrated sox kids


    we in yankeeland still chuckle about how so many in RSN

    laughed at ny over & over  for skiping the Craig Hansen in the draft

    besides the jury is still out

    Austin Jackson, Hughes, Chamberlain.
     
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    Thanks for exxplaining that, I was wondering what happened to him, he was a Yankee fan who lived on thisforum. In response to "Re: Compensation and Trades":
    Posted by AL34


    U R lisening / thanking  pike who is lowelll
     
    while he is refering to something  UticaClub

    said who is also pike ?

    U might want to think about that
     
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    AL34, when I stopped to think of it, Mikeyinthebronz, Camelwalk, Zac, Babe, Georom, Enquirer,Spaceman, ThatWasMe, and J-Bay all sound a bit alike. They make for a good common fraternity. When Babe reappeared, they were all ecstatic.
     
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    The Yankees always overrate their prospects,   is that a bad thing, it appears to have netted them a couple of live arms besides it wasn't the yanks it was every prospect rater the boy can hit and most likely catch good enough to make him a good asset . Seattle could have picked up a DH much cheaper than giving up Pineda. Wonder why they did that maybe they know something about Pineda? yup or maybe they & most of BB know more than you about montero pineda is what  he is a very young kid with a live arm something ever team would love to trade for Is that you Camel Walk under another name ? are you slow or something ? you asked that the other day a friend from here told me that day in a email that you were a vet and one of the good guys so I thank you an respect your sacrifices but you are making it very hard for me to continue treating you with respect I have always had the same handle other than the digits following knock this camel crap off
    Posted by pinstripezac


    I think we can all figure out who that friend was. Nice to see a Yankee troll communicating through email with him. Kinda explains why he continually posts on the board that I'm Pike. He's been having private conversations with you, and has yet to realize he's being used. Did you tell him about your Yankee fanbase that cheers you on here? At least we know that guys like you have a direct pipeline if anyone annoys you. I think that was your point to Al. Your whole "knock this camel crap off". Oooooo, scary. Gotta laugh seeing you getting so upset when you're called another poster, since that's what you do here to Sox fans.

    FTR I love these new "true personality" posts that you make.

     
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    In Response to Re: Compensation and Trades : Camelwalk was accused of being Mikeyinthebronx through some irrefutable logic by UticaClub about six months ago. Camelwalk finally admitted that he was Mikey and JesseyEric advised Camelwalk to cool it for the good of the forum. Yankee fan enabler J-Bay also encouraged Mikey to deep-six the Camelwalk character. Camelwalk hasn't been seen since. He may have been replaced by TBSHTM1969 / ThatWasMe but they have been banned in recent days. LOL on Zac never hearing of Camelwalk. That sounds like ThatWasMe last week saying that he never heard of Babe in his three years here. LOL.
    Posted by lowelll


    LOL! Zac doesn't know who Camelwalk is! If that doesn't prove him a liar, it should at least make anyone question what he has to say, since his opinions are obviously pro-Yankee. Are you keeping it real, Zac? Mikey admitted that on the board, and posted here for awhile after that. Unbelievable this guy has a Sox fan's ear who has a bat phone to BDC.
     
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