Compensation Revisited

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    Compensation Revisited

    It is my understanding that this discussion is tabled until December 8th, is that correct?

    I was reading that the White Sox received what are considered 2 of the Marlins better prospects for Ozzie.  It would seem the Red Sox should be expecting at least a similar package in terms of value for Theo.  I'd sort of forgotten about this issue but maybe it truly has been an issue of the Red Sox and Cubs wanting to see how FA begins to shake out before they decide a compensation package.  A mutually beneficial procrastination.

    People who say Castro are fools but if Guillen is worth 2 good prospects and the Cubs don't have 2 good prospects perhaps someone from the Cubs roster could be in play after all.  Garza?
     
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    I was reading that the White Sox received what are considered 2 of the Marlins better prospects for Ozzie. It would seem the Red Sox should be expecting at least a similar package in terms of value for Theo.

    INEsptein was a disaster, but you are correct, markets and rules are markets and rules.

    Red Sox should get Garza for Lowrie, plain and simple. Epstein loved Lowrie, and kept gifting him the SS job until another panic attack.

    2 Marlins prospects are not proven. Lowrie is a proven young MLB keeper, according to Epstein himself. LOWRIE for GARZA sounds quite reasonable, Inepstein, who falsely claims they are not shopping Garza to try and increase demand and offer quality.
     
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    Cubs should send two buckets of wings and a case of beer - that's it Tongue out
     
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    [QUOTE]Cubs should send two buckets of wings and a case of beer - that's it
    Posted by jesseyeric[/QUOTE]

    You're either a Cubs or Yankee fan.
     
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    Hank I'm sure for Garza, even as comp., he will want an arm in addition to Lowrie-- perhaps Weiland. I would negotiate over Lowrie. If we are all out trade for him we would have to give them Lowrie, Doubrount and perhaps Reddick. Hard to say.

    I would actually consider Soriano as comp--with a fully paid contract. The guy still has power---look at his numbers. Bats in the mid .200's with mid 20's in HR--decent RBI production--coming back to the AL his power numbers might tale off a bit but still not bad for a corner outfielder
     
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    [QUOTE]WEWI: Ben was on WEEI  this morning. On when and how compensation for Theo Epstein to the Cubs will be resolved: “It’s that thing that you know you have to do at some point but you’re just working on other stuff. It’s like cleaning the garage. You know it’s out there and you have to do it, but you’re going to do everything else that’s on your list first. I think that’s how we’re both approaching it. We’ve both had a lot of other stuff to do. We just frankly haven’t spent a lot of time on it. We’ve had a couple of conversations, I guess two or three conversations about it. We talked a little bit about the GM meetings and we just felt like given what we were both up against with the manager search, with the early part of the offseason, getting things stabilized, that there really wasn’t any harm in just delaying it. Let’s pick it up at the winter meetings, let’s pick it up right after the winter meetings and work it out then.”
    Posted by 2004Idiots[/QUOTE]

    If ever there was a quote that highlighted the impotence of Bud Selig.....  are there not rules around these things getting sorted out in timely manner?

    Cherrington equating it to "cleaning the garage" doesn't make it sound like anything to major should be expected.  Hopefully he is slow playing us on this one....
     
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    If we are all out trade for him we would have to give them Lowrie, Doubrount and perhaps Reddick. Hard to say.

    Do not give them more than Lowrie. One MLB player for another, with the offset in quality being the quid pro quo for Inepstein. What you do is actually make it a great deal for Epstein.

    Offer Ellsbury and 2 years of control 16 to 20M cost and Weiland for Garza and paying Soriano 8M a year for 3 years, Cubs pay 10M for a terrible old OF mistake. Sounds about right.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Compensation Revisited : You're either a Cubs or Yankee fan.
    Posted by splendidsplinterteddyballgame[/QUOTE]

    Beatles fan
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Compensation Revisited : If ever there was a quote that highlighted the impotence of Bud Selig..... another cheap shot at the commish actually worse than cheap, lets call it _______ seeing how it follows 2004Idiots post about ben not being in any rush  doesn't make it sound like anything to major should be expected OMG I think some one is finally starting to catch on leave the commish alone this has nothing to do with him it's more  about theo getting a promotion and ozzie making a lateral move the 1st, teams shouldn't hinder the latter is open game
    Posted by pinstripezac[/QUOTE]

    A cheap shot?  You are aware the word "impotent" has a context outside of a Cialis commercial, right?

    Impotent means- "Lacking power or ability" or "without force or effectiveness". I'd say that is a fair description of a guy who 1 year presides over an All-Star game that leaves him throwing his hands up as it ends in a tie and the next year decides it should determine home field in the world series.

    Selig threatened to put his foot down on this matter weeks ago.




     
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    Basically he is saying we are not going to get anything that will help out team so we have other priorities
     
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    i hope the compensation for theo gets worked out soon and the sox get what they deserve. as someone mentioned the white sox got 2 of the marlins top 5 prospects for ozzie guillen. Theo should bring back even more than that. I do agree that the sox really botched the whole negotiation process. They should have told the cubs that compensation needs to be agreed upon first before they get theo. Hopefully if the cubs and sox can work anything out then bud selig will intervene and give the sox what they deserve. The sox should get trey mcnutt at least, though i would prefer garza. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Selig threatened to put his foot down on this matter weeks ago what part of both parties decided to wait until after the  rule 5 draft don't you understand you guys would be all over bud if he forced the issue while the sox wanted to wait
    Posted by pinstripezac[/QUOTE]

    "You guys"????

    Yeah, I think the 2 teams telling Selig they'll get around to it when they feel like sets an excellent precedent.
     
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    Tyler Colvin and any AA pitcher who throws 95+ and is under the age of 22.  That would be enough for me.  Too bad Colvin is another lefty hitter.  If he were a righty he would be perfect.  That said, he has power and was productive as a 23-24 year old.  Had a horrible regression last year, and is now supplanted by David DeJesus.
     
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    Guillen is my idea of the worst manager. He not only calls out players, but provides personal info about the players as well. I've said on this board that I couldn't imagine a player on his team talking to him about anything. I'm amazed another team offered him a job. If anyone thinks the Sox players are worried about their new manager, they should be thanking their lucky stars it didn't turn out that way.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Compensation Revisited : You're either a Cubs or Yankee fan.
    Posted by splendidsplinterteddyballgame[/QUOTE]Didn't you look at his signature?
     
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    If I'm the Sox I push for Vitters or the absolute best Cub prospect for Theo Comp.  If Jed says no, work out a deal for Garza but Ranaudo should not be the centerpiece--he's too valuable to throw in.

     

    If that deal is made I would go to Texas and trade Beckett for Colby Lewis or Matt Harrison and a RH OF bat. I don't like trading Beckett but he's become too comfortable in Boston--being closer to home in Texas may get his juices flowing again.

     

    Texas gets a starting pitcher, albeit not Garza, who they want--we get two starters. Find the best #5 starter on the non tender, trade, FA market; preferably someone like Buerhle that would be the experience the now younger staff would need. Then build the pen.

     
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    Running players out of town because the media oversold a story is not the answer.  What happens if Lewis or Harrison "get too comfortable"?  Run them out, too?

    The behavior the Sox pitching staff exhibited happens in every clubhouse.  It was the media overreaction that was much more newsworthy...

     
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