Congrats- Ortiz 30 HRs

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    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

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    Ortiz is the single most important offensive player for the Red Sox, by kilometers. It will be interesting to see what he has left in his old tank for the playoffs. Back in 2009 was the last time the Red Sox made the playoffs, where Ortiz sported a .167 OPS.

     



    Gotta love those three game sample sizes, huh?



    OMG Softlaw, a 3 game sample?  That really is pathetic.

     

     
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    Congrats to Big Papi on yet another 30-100 season.  

    http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?c_id=bos&content_id=30984945&partnerId=as_mlb_20130928_12488834

     

     

     

     

     
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    The fools didnt believe in him. I liked the idea of getting a few days off in the 1st half of the season when it was cold, but figured he was still good for 120.

    Nevermind the "hes olny played 120 games from start to finish" garbage. He was PR for a number of times. papi has played in 136 games this year.  Even if he didnt finish, Im guessing he played at least 7-8 innings those games. Sorry, nice try though.

     
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    Playoffs are small sample sizes, which is why it's often referred to as "The Big Stage".



    Right, and Ted Williams sported a career postseason batting average of .200 in 7 games.

     

     
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    It's a serious flaw when one thinks only in 'Absolutes'. Even Gravity itself began as an outward force rather than the inward force, as we know and define it today. But be my guest. Heres a paint brush, pick a corner that suits you. 

    "Don't you worry about blank, let me worry about blank"

     
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    Fortunately for the Sox and the fans, it doesnt appear to be time yet.

     
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    Ted Williams failed to perform well on the big stage, in limited opportunties. The big stage is a small sample size, year to year. Ortiz was once a great performer on the big stage, but time retires all mortals.



    Oh so 3 games of postseason play trumps an entire career yet a few weeks of sub par play from a guy with "no sample size" (JBJ) was unfair to deem a player unfit for the big show when his track record was barely above single A?

    Your contradictions become more laughable by the day

     

     
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    The Superbowl is a small sample size.

     


    And your brain is an extremely small sample of what a Chimps brain must look like !! Back to ignore SOFTY. Amazing how you claim to not be Softlaw, only influenced by him, yet you blather on with the same stupidity. Godbye you fool !!

    Hetch 

     
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    Ortiz, while still the only vital organ in the Red Sox offense, is in decline. His time is near, and he would do well to retire at the end of this season. A contract settlement would take care of 2014. I suspect he'll leave MLB like Wakefield and most veterans.

     



    Factually incorrect. David Ortiz has CAREER averages of .287/.930; this year he was at .307/.960. His production this year EXCEEDED his career averages. If you are saying that he is in PHYSICAL decline, well, of course he is. Nearly every adult over 30  is-which is not so bad when you consider the alternative.

     

     
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    The Superbowl is a small sample size.

     



    And your brain is an extremely small sample !! Back to ignore SOFTY. Amazing how you claim to not be Softlaw, only influenced by him, yet you blather on with the same stupidity. Godbye you fool !!

     

    Hetch 



    Hetch, with all due respect, there is no need for you to make a grand proclamation every time you put someone on ignore. Just do it! No one really cares if they are on your ignore list. And there is certainly no need for the personal insults you hurl at the individuals who have earned the right to be on your sh!t list.
    Oh wait....you won't even see this. I am on your list!

     

     
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    Ortiz, while still the only vital organ in the Red Sox offense, is in decline. His time is near, and he would do well to retire at the end of this season. A contract settlement would take care of 2014. I suspect he'll leave MLB like Wakefield and most veterans.




    His time to retire is near?  Wow!  What great baseball insight!!!  The guy is 40ish (who really knows), & stiffy is imparting his wisdom, letting us know he can't keep producing at the highest level forever??  And here we were, thinking he could DH until 2020.  Perhaps somebody should let the RS front office know about this startling revelation. 

    I know it's been hard for stiffy to have watched? this whole season, with Papi proving him & his boy toy billy wrong day in & day out, but it's truly sad to see him calling for Papi's 'Wake' service before his actual retirement.  You're the consumate broken clock stiffy!  Keep saying he's headed for a disasterous season.......  you're bound to be right one of these years.

     
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    Re: Congrats- Ortiz 30 HRs

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    In response to RedSoxFireman's comment:

    Ortiz, while still the only vital organ in the Red Sox offense, is in decline. His time is near, and he would do well to retire at the end of this season. A contract settlement would take care of 2014. I suspect he'll leave MLB like Wakefield and most veterans.

    Factually incorrect. David Ortiz has CAREER averages of .287/.930; this year he was at .307/.960. His production this year EXCEEDED his career averages. If you are saying that he is in PHYSICAL decline, well, of course he is. Nearly every adult over 30  is-which is not so bad when you consider the alternative.

     

     

    Actually Pumpsie if I remember my facts from biology correctly the average male is in decline after about the age of 18 but again since I'm going to be 65 in a  few months, I'm so badly in decline I could actually be incorrect which I'll admit would be the first time in my life since birth, just like Softy has never been incorrect !#@$$%^&*()__)(*&^%$#%^&*()_ if you get my drift.

    As far as grand proclamations it is not and yes you as well are going back on ignore and it is my right to say what I want on BDC, and your presumption that no one really cares is yours alone. As far as insulting anyone, I try not to but I only insult those who take there time to insult others, which Softy constantly has done and always will do. So once someone on this board spews insults at a player I hold in high regard I reserve the right to insult the insultee. 

     

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    Congrats to David Ortiz for a great season !!

     

     

     

     

    Hetch

     
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    Re: Congrats- Ortiz 30 HRs

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    His production this year EXCEEDED his career averages

    His "career averages" include the declining years that begin back in 2009. His season long production in RBI's and HR is in decline.  




    If you keep changing your metric for failure, you are bound to prove yourself correct one of these days.

     

    I wonder how it feels to have everyone around you know you're wrong, yet still think you're right, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.  It takes a special mind to stand tall in the face of such overwhelming evidence against you ;)

     
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    Re: Congrats- Ortiz 30 HRs

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    He also isn't even correct. Lackey made more than he did this year.


    I said "exculding Prima Donna Peavy", Ortiz is 2nd highest paid, which is behind Lackey. I didn't include Peavy because the Red Sox haven't paid his full salary for 2013. If I did, Ortiz would be 3rd highest paid.

    I was correct, and you were captious but foolishly wrong.



    Sorry. I guess I didn't know what "exculding" meant.

     
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    I hope all our players "decline" like Papi.

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    Re: Congrats- Ortiz 30 HRs

    In response to RedSoxFireman's comment:

    His production this year EXCEEDED his career averages

    His "career averages" include the declining years that begin back in 2009. His season long production in RBI's and HR is in decline.  




    Clarify this: exactly what part of .307/.960/30/103 do you find insufficient? You want to consider all the years before 2009? Great. Lets do that. In the 10 seasons where he played regularly (there were two seasons where he played just 10 and 15 games) Ortiz has averaged .284/.920. His numbers this year also exceed those earlier  numbers. In 2012 he was .318/1.026. This is a decline? From what? In the last two years he has averaged, therefore, .312/.993. Of course he will eventually decline. No one can maintain that pace. The fact of the matter is that you are wrong that he has declined over the past two years. His production remains outstanding.

     
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    Re: Congrats- Ortiz 30 HRs

    He's been steady since 2008: not in decline.

    Papi's numbers from 2012-2013:

    .312/.403/.583

     

    Papi's numbers from 2008-2012:

    .277/.374/.527

     

    from 2008 - 2011:

    .271/.367/.513

     

    Decline implies some continuity over time.

    Nobody is doubting Papi is not what he was from 2003-2007. Yes, he did decline after 2007, but he has leveled off and even risen of late, so the decline basically happened from 2007 to 2008 then stopped.

    The clown roasted people who wanted him cut or traded back in 2009. Now that he is better than 2008-2010, he is saying he should retire?

    No wonder he is the clown of all clowns.

    Sox4ever

     
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