Could Felix Hernandez be available in the offseason?

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    Could Felix Hernandez be available in the offseason?

    Considering how thin this years free agent class is in terms of quality starting pitching, this offseason would appear to be the perfect time for the mariners to deal felix hernandez. Why would they deal him? Well there are multiple reason. This biggest and most obvious reason being that he is the only player on the mariners that could bring back the kind of return the m's need. They are not even close to contending and wont be for years to come. As a starting pitcher, felix hernandez can only do some much for the m's. They have way too many holes that need to be filled before they will be able to contend. Ichiro is getting to the end of his career and the m's dont have much in terms of outfield prospects. chone figgins has been aweful at 3rd, they need help at short, heck they could use a catcher as well. Enter the red sox. They have guys like ranuado, middlebrooks, iglesias, reddick, kalish, lavarnway etc who could fill those holes for the m's. That is one thing the sox farm system has that others do not. quality prospects at various positions. What it comes down in the end is the fact that it makes no sense for the m's to keep king felix. They are at least 2 or 3 years away from contending. By then they could have pineda, hultzen, and ranuaduo anchoring that rotation. This is a move that makes sense.
     
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    yes he will probably be available during off season, but Seattle will alway look on how much they will get in return.  Boston, Cleveland, Angels, Yankees, among few other teams have discussed with Seattle in past two years, but Seattle never got into a serious offer with them.  

    If Boston ever want him, than mean Ranaudo, Kalish, Doubront, and Middlebrook will all be gone.  

    Too risky!!  
     
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    If he is moved  by the M's, my bet is the Yankees give it up for him. Would love to have him, but just don't see us getting him.
     
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    Is it November already? Where did the summer disappear to?
     
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    [QUOTE]Considering how thin this years free agent class is in terms of quality starting pitching, this offseason would appear to be the perfect time for the mariners to deal felix hernandez. Why would they deal him? Well there are multiple reason. This biggest and most obvious reason being that he is the only player on the mariners that could bring back the kind of return the m's need. They are not even close to contending and wont be for years to come. As a starting pitcher, felix hernandez can only do some much for the m's. They have way too many holes that need to be filled before they will be able to contend. Ichiro is getting to the end of his career and the m's dont have much in terms of outfield prospects. chone figgins has been aweful at 3rd, they need help at short, heck they could use a catcher as well. Enter the red sox. They have guys like ranuado, middlebrooks, iglesias, reddick, kalish, lavarnway etc who could fill those holes for the m's. That is one thing the sox farm system has that others do not. quality prospects at various positions. What it comes down in the end is the fact that it makes no sense for the m's to keep king felix. They are at least 2 or 3 years away from contending. By then they could have pineda, hultzen, and ranuaduo anchoring that rotation. This is a move that makes sense.
    Posted by redsoxpride34[/QUOTE]
    None of those Red Sox prospects represents a significant upgrade over the Mariners' current prospects. The Sox probably lack the high-level prospects needed in the unlikely event the Mariners place Felix Hernandez on the trading block.

    Hernandez is signed through 2014 so his contract fits within the cited two- or three-year window for contention.
     
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    The Rays and Rangers have the minor league depth to pull off a trade like that, however the Rays probably couldn't afford to pay him.  IMO the Rangers would be the favorites if the King becomes available.  Of course given the financial resources you can't count out the Yankees.
     
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    Well, how did we steal Pedro for 2 Top Propsects?

    How did we steal Beckett (and Lowell!) for 3 top prospects?

    How did we steal Schilling for essentially nothing?

    It takes a trade of this caliber to really compete.........
     
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    [QUOTE]Considering how thin this years free agent class is in terms of quality starting pitching, this offseason would appear to be the perfect time for the mariners to deal felix hernandez. Why would they deal him? Well there are multiple reason. This biggest and most obvious reason being that he is the only player on the mariners that could bring back the kind of return the m's need. They are not even close to contending and wont be for years to come. As a starting pitcher, felix hernandez can only do some much for the m's. They have way too many holes that need to be filled before they will be able to contend. Ichiro is getting to the end of his career and the m's dont have much in terms of outfield prospects. chone figgins has been aweful at 3rd, they need help at short, heck they could use a catcher as well. Enter the red sox. They have guys like ranuado, middlebrooks, iglesias, reddick, kalish, lavarnway etc who could fill those holes for the m's. That is one thing the sox farm system has that others do not. quality prospects at various positions. What it comes down in the end is the fact that it makes no sense for the m's to keep king felix. They are at least 2 or 3 years away from contending. By then they could have pineda, hultzen, and ranuaduo anchoring that rotation. This is a move that makes sense.
    Posted by redsoxpride34[/QUOTE]

    The Sox should be heavily involved in any move that could strengthen our staff next season.  Wake will likely retire and Lackey could very possibly be working elsewhere at some point if he doesn't improve and Dice is also a huge question mark.  Kids like Miller Weiland, Doubront, Renaudo?  Who knows but my bet is our next great farm hand/starter will be Matt Barnes.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could Felix Hernandez be available in the offseason? : We stole Beckett, Lowell and Schilling?....and I thought our GM was the worst in baseball...wonder how he did it?
    Posted by thepeskypole6[/QUOTE]

    Theo gets credit for Schilling

    But in case you were sleeping, Theo had nothing to do w/ getting Beckett and Lowell

    PS - I never said Theo was the worst GM in baseball
     
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    [QUOTE]Well, how did we steal Pedro for 2 Top Propsects? How did we steal Beckett (and Lowell!) for 3 top prospects? How did we steal Schilling for essentially nothing? It takes a trade of this caliber to really compete.........
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]
    That's my point ... the Red Sox probably don't have a Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Carl Pavano or Tony Armas in the current farm system (although the Sox may have a Casey Fossum, Brandon Lyon, Jorge de la Rosa, Harvey Garcia or Jesus Delgado).

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martipe02.shtml#trans

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/beckejo02.shtml#trans

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/schilcu01.shtml#trans
     
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    What surprised me was when Doug Fister got traded to Tigers and what they got for him. I have watched Fister for awhile and like him alot. He has been steamy hot for Detriot and one of the reason for their insurgency. The three players of Charlie Furbush, Casper Wells and Francisco Martinez are boarderline players and will not have a big impact in the future.

    This trade can give a glance on what would be needed to get King Felix.

    Can it be done?
     
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    Beavis - that is the point.  When is Theo going to make a Sleeper Trade like a Fister?  Still waiting for that one........
     
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    When you look at the quality of the September callups it is obvious that the sox have nothing, absolutely nothing in either AA or AAA. You can forget about getting a top player for prospects.  The cupboard is bare.
    On another note, how in hell will lackey not be back? Is there a major league franchise that doesn't have access to media and/or statistics.  If lackey is gone, another bad contract like Zito will arrive.
     
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    [QUOTE]What surprised me was when Doug Fister got traded to Tigers and what they got for him. I have watched Fister for awhile and like him alot. He has been steamy hot for Detriot and one of the reason for their insurgency. The three players of Charlie Furbush, Casper Wells and Francisco Martinez are boarderline players and will not have a big impact in the future. This trade can give a glance on what would be needed to get King Felix. Can it be done?
    Posted by beavis[/QUOTE]
    You omitted perhaps the highest-ceiling player traded for Doug Fister: 2010 first-round pick Chance Ruffin, a potential future closer.

    Francisco Martinez, who just turned 21, is a thirdbaseman who was a World squad teammate of Seattle prospects Alex Liddi, James Paxton and Chih-Hsien Chiag in the 2011 Futures Game. After the trade, Martinez posted a .310/.326/.481/.807 line at Double A Jackson where Chiang, a former Red Sox prospect, posted a .208/.255/.262/.517 line over the same period.
     
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    Theo cleaned house to get Adrian when he could have re-signed Beltre and then saved the farm to get someone like Felix.

    The problem w/ a poor farm is you go out and do contracts like Carl Crawford.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could Felix Hernandez be available in the offseason? : Theo gets credit for Schilling But in case you were sleeping, Theo had nothing to do w/ getting Beckett and Lowell PS - I never said Theo was the worst GM in baseball
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    Nobody gets credit for Lowell.  The Sox were FORCED to take him in order to complete the trade for Beckett.  Given the choice - they would not have taken Lowell.
     
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    The Sox don't need to strengthen their starting pitching - they just need to keep it healthy for a year.  The past two years the Sox have been right there at the end with a patchwork of pitchers at the end of the season.  The Sox need to trade for a new medical staff and a new staff of trainers.
     
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    both good points
     
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    [QUOTE]Theo cleaned house to get Adrian when he could have re-signed Beltre and then saved the farm to get someone like Felix. The problem w/ a poor farm is you go out and do contracts like Carl Crawford.
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]
    At the 2009 trade deadline, the Mariners reportedly turned down a Red Sox offfer "of the farm" for a year and two months of Felix Hernandez:

     http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2009591133_mariners_turned_down_three-way.html

    The price for Felix Hernandez probably has not come down since the righthander signed a contract through 2014.

    The Mariners hope to build a contender through the draft under the guidance of general manager Jack Zduriencik, who as Milwaukee's director of scouting helped draft Corey Hart (2000), J.J. Hardy (2001), Prince Fielder (2002), Rickie Weeks (2003), Yovani Gallardo (2004), Ryan Braun (2005) and Brett Lawrie (2008). Infielders Dustin Ackley and Kyle Seager, 2009 Seattle draft picks, are already making contributions while shortstop Nick Franklin and pitchers James Paxton, Danny Hultzen and Taijuan Walker are projected with high ceilings.

    Seattle has always had top-flight international scouting that has produced recent All Stars: Felix Hernandez, Shin-Soo Choo, Ichiro Suzuki, Michael Pineda, Asdrubal Cabrera, Rafael Soriano and David Ortiz.

    The Mariners probably want to see how the young players develop before considering a trade of Felix Hernandez.
     
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    Well, they don't necessarily need to get a big name.  A Sleeper would be nice.   Someone who is highly under-rated.  You know - buy low and reap the ride to the top........
     
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    [QUOTE]Considering how thin this years free agent class is in terms of quality starting pitching, this offseason would appear to be the perfect time for the mariners to deal felix hernandez. Why would they deal him? Well there are multiple reason. This biggest and most obvious reason being that he is the only player on the mariners that could bring back the kind of return the m's need. They are not even close to contending and wont be for years to come. As a starting pitcher, felix hernandez can only do some much for the m's. They have way too many holes that need to be filled before they will be able to contend. Ichiro is getting to the end of his career and the m's dont have much in terms of outfield prospects. chone figgins has been aweful at 3rd, they need help at short, heck they could use a catcher as well. Enter the red sox. They have guys like ranuado, middlebrooks, iglesias, reddick, kalish, lavarnway etc who could fill those holes for the m's. That is one thing the sox farm system has that others do not. quality prospects at various positions. What it comes down in the end is the fact that it makes no sense for the m's to keep king felix. They are at least 2 or 3 years away from contending. By then they could have pineda, hultzen, and ranuaduo anchoring that rotation. This is a move that makes sense.
    Posted by redsoxpride34[/QUOTE]

    Is it already time to start rationalizing reasons why the Mariners “need” to move Hernandez?

    They just extended him not all that long ago, so they clearly are stating they intend to keep him.  They have several good young position players already in the majors, such as Ackley, Smoak, Carp, Ryan, and Treyvon Robinson.

    Any why are they “two to three years” away from competing?  That is a standard blanket statement in every post on the internet rationalizing why Team A should hand over their best player for pennies on the dollar.  Every single post.  Ben Franklin said it best when he said “There are only 3 certainties in life.  Death, taxes, and random people insisting the Mariners are 2 to 3 years away from competing because they want them to trade Felix Hernandez.”

    Was Arizona "two to 3 years away" last year, when they came in last in the NL West?  Was Detroit, at 81-81, "2-3 years away"?  Or Milwaukee, who finished 77-85 last year?  All these teams turned it around on one season.

     

    Reality check.  While the Mariners had a rough season, there is no reason that team cannot compete next season.   Texas is having pitching issues and is probably going to lose CJ Wilson, and the rest of that team is getting older.  In 2012, the only starting position players under 29 will be Elvis Andrus.  The Angels have excellent starting pitching, but are certainly not a dominant force to worry about.  And the Mariners just received a boatload of young players for Fister and Bedard and have a decent farm system that is giving them good players.

    The Mariners apparently chose Hultzen (who is the same age as Pineda) for the express purpose of having a 1-2-3 of Hernandez, Pineda and Hultzen.  I doubt they play to deviate from it simply because rapidly growing number of experts on the internet says they are “2 to 3 years away.”

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Could Felix Hernandez be available in the offseason? : Is it already time to start rationalizing reasons why the Mariners “need” to move Hernandez? They just extended him not all that long ago, so they clearly are stating they intend to keep him.  They have several good young position players already in the majors, such as Ackley, Smoak, Carp, Ryan, and Treyvon Robinson. Any why are they “two to three years” away from competing?  That is a standard blanket statement in every post on the internet rationalizing why Team A should hand over their best player for pennies on the dollar.  Every single post.  Ben Franklin said it best when he said “There are only 3 certainties in life.  Death, taxes, and random people insisting the Mariners are 2 to 3 years away from competing because they want them to trade Felix Hernandez.” Was Arizona "two to 3 years away" last year, when they came in last in the NL West?  Was Detroit, at 81-81, "2-3 years away"?  Or Milwaukee, who finished 77-85 last year?  All these teams turned it around on one season.   Reality check.  While the Mariners had a rough season, there is no reason that team cannot compete next season.   Texas is having pitching issues and is probably going to lose CJ Wilson, and the rest of that team is getting older.  In 2012, the only starting position players under 29 will be Elvis Andrus.  The Angels have excellent starting pitching, but are certainly not a dominant force to worry about.  And the Mariners just received a boatload of young players for Fister and Bedard and have a decent farm system that is giving them good players. The Mariners apparently chose Hultzen (who is the same age as Pineda) for the express purpose of having a 1-2-3 of Hernandez, Pineda and Hultzen.  I doubt they play to deviate from it simply because rapidly growing number of experts on the internet says they are “2 to 3 years away.”
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    Great post!
     
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    [QUOTE]The Rays and Rangers have the minor league depth to pull off a trade like that, however the Rays probably couldn't afford to pay him.  IMO the Rangers would be the favorites if the King becomes available.  Of course given the financial resources you can't count out the Yankees.
    Posted by GreenMonster1964[/QUOTE]

    Agree with you about the Rangers probably being the favorites to sign him.  Also agree that the Yankees are always a possibility to sign anyone considering their financial resources. 
     
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    we dont neeed him, with wake and weiland on hand, we are all set according to theo...
     

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