Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years?

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    Gonzalez didn't start hitting again until Ellsbury returned to the lineup. Who needs who?
     
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                                 Based on this years performance so far, I'd say yes. So much of superstar status is based on post season heroics that in order for him to get to that level, superstar status, the RS will have to go deep in the playoffs and he will have to be more than a marginal contributor.
     
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    He's definitely top ten this year thus far.  One thing to keep in mind, though - as good as he has been this year, his base-running (usually his strength) has been a draw-back.  Is that just an off-year for him, or is it related to his power surge?

    Also, at 27, he's not likely to get much better, and for all we know this could be a career year for him.  If we had to predict a young OF who would become the gold standard in future years, I'd probably start with Justin Upton - he's putting up better numbers and he's only 23!  I could see McCutchen and Stanton separating themselves from the pack, too.
     
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    [QUOTE]See Crawford 2010, without Agon and Pedroia 2011. Agon and Pedroia 2011 are Ellsbury 2011. Agon is the head, Pedroia is the heart, Ortiz the spirit, and Ellsbury is the tail. Put him in Seattle and the hyperbole will vanish in the return of career averages or less. Anyone not recognizing what Agon's impact is does not understand baseball. Not surprised to see focus on Ellsbury and off Agon. Agon 2011 remains Agon 2012 et seq. IF Ellsbury is banned for hgh or traded anywhere but NY, pilly or texas, Ellsbury shrinks while Agon remains Agon 2011.  If Agon goes down long term with injury, watch the incredible shrinking Ellsbury take place.
    Posted by S0ftl@w[/QUOTE]
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha  the fool has spoken!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]No, because Pedroia 2011 and Agon hit in front of the tail. Sure, keep believing Ellsbury can do this in Seattle on Mariners. Keep forgetting what makes a superstar. Agon in San Diego, Manny in Cleveland, that's what makes a superstar. Elllsbury is a tail. 
    Posted by S0ftl@w[/QUOTE]

    i believe he hits lead off!
     
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    [QUOTE]Anyone using BA for what Agon did for Padres is a total dimwit. Ellsbury is reaping off of pitchers not wanting to face Pedroia and Agon. When Ellsbury breaks pink hat hearts and takes his superstar act elsewhere, he will show how inferior he is to Crawford, another fools gold profile.
    Posted by S0ftl@w[/QUOTE]

    ELLSBURY mvp mvp mvp mvp
     
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    I didn't really care for Ellsbury.  But I'm a convert.  The guy is flat out good.  I'm still concerned about his sudden power surge. 
     
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    [QUOTE] 81 rbi's from the leadoff position, which means that every single rbi comes from driving in the members of the lower third of the Sox batting order. Pedroia 2011 and Agon are the reason for the 81 rbi's spike. Put Ellsbury in Seattle and prime years Ichiro will look like the best baseball player in history.   Agon isn't having a career year. His current career year was 2009. Which is why you dimwits are drooling over DEnnis and Cucumber radio and failing to grasp what a superstar is. Agon would be a star wherever he goes. Ellsbury is Red Sox hype which will be exposed when he leaves, unless Texas, Philly or Yankees are stupid enough to give him a giant contract. On independent but related issue, no way I'd endorse another big contract without a provision that says if the new CBA allows hgh testing and a player tests positive then the entire contract is voided and player owes damages for prior payments. Theo is a dim bulb who pays no attention to PED issue, now hgh driven instead of AS driven. 
    Posted by S0ftl@w[/QUOTE]
    stronger because of his work outs in arizona!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : It's amazing what big papi's milkshakes can do for a player.
    Posted by < />.The-Babe.<>[/QUOTE]

    what did the yankees do last night?
     
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    Jacoby Ellsbury's age 27 season this year resembles Darin Erstad's age 26 season in 2000:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/erstada01.shtml

    Ellsbury and Erstad could have similar careers ... or not.

    Some more Ellsbury comps:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14137
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : what did the yankees do last night?

    Posted by canetime[/QUOTE]

    They lost...but I don't see what that has to do with the OP.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : It's amazing what big papi's milkshakes can do for a player.
    Posted by < />.The-Babe.< />[/QUOTE]

    Yup Granderson knows first hand!  ARod prepared him a "cocktail" in spring training and look at the results!
     
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    [QUOTE]No, because Pedroia 2011 and Agon hit in front of the tail. Sure, keep believing Ellsbury can do this in Seattle on Mariners. Keep forgetting what makes a superstar. Agon in San Diego, Manny in Cleveland, that's what makes a superstar. Elllsbury is a tail. 
    Posted by S0ftl@w[/QUOTE]
    Hey, quit picking on my poor Mariners.Wink

    In August, the Red Sox have average 4.70 runs a game while the Mariners have averaged 4.68 runs a game behind the emergence of rookies Mike Carp, Dustin Ackley, Casper Wells, Trayvon Robinson and Kyle Seager.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : Yup Granderson knows first hand!  ARod prepared him a "cocktail" in spring training and look at the results!

    Posted by william93063[/QUOTE]

    Ummm...Granderson has hit 30 HR's before meanwhile ellsbury has more HR's this year than he has hit in the rest of his career....

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : Ummm...Granderson has hit 30 HR's before meanwhile ellsbury has more HR's this year than he has hit in the rest of his career....
    Posted by < />.The-Babe.<>[/QUOTE]

    Ummm...this is Ellsbury's third full season.  Sometimes it takes a few seasons for hitters to develop as home run hitters.
     
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    [QUOTE]See Crawford 2010, without Agon and Pedroia 2011. Agon and Pedroia 2011 are Ellsbury 2011. Agon is the head, Pedroia is the heart, Ortiz the spirit, and Ellsbury is the tail. Put him in Seattle and the hyperbole will vanish in the return of career averages or less. Anyone not recognizing what Agon's impact is does not understand baseball. Not surprised to see focus on Ellsbury and off Agon. Agon 2011 remains Agon 2012 et seq. IF Ellsbury is banned for hgh or traded anywhere but NY, pilly or texas, Ellsbury shrinks while Agon remains Agon 2011.  If Agon goes down long term with injury, watch the incredible shrinking Ellsbury take place.
    Posted by S0ftl@w[/QUOTE]

    Yawn... and baloney

    Damon spent 4 years here hitting in front of guys who avg'd this per:

    - Nomar (02/03) a .305/.350/.525 w/ 26 HR's, 45 2B's, 9 3B's and 115 RBI
    - Papi (03/04/05) a .295/.385/.600 w/ 40 Hr's 43 2B's and 130 RBI
    - Manny (all 4 yrs) a .315/.415/.610 w/38 Hr's 36 2B's and 115 RBI

    and never had a season as good as Ellsbury is having now

    Looks like 02 Nomar/Manny is better than '11 Pedey/AGon

    03 was the teams best offensive year EVER w/ all 3 of them here and Damon hit .273 w/ a .345 OBP and 12 Hr's,

    Looks like 04 and 05 Papi and Manny were a better duo than AGon/Pedey (or AGon/Youk)

    Hahaha Softy, stats show him to be a fool again. Or at the very least show that Ellsbury is FAR better than Johnny Damon was in his 4 prime years here. Not a shabby comparison.

     
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    Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years?

    Best in the game? Not likely. Rickey Henderson was probably never considered the best in the game at point in his career but he was with little argument the best leadoff hitter of "all-time".

    He is having a great year. The progression a lot of people thought Jacoby would show as he matured is becoming a reality.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : Ummm...this is Ellsbury's third full season.  Sometimes it takes a few seasons for hitters to develop as home run hitters.

    Posted by Hfxsoxnut[/QUOTE]

    Understood...but more HR's this year than his entire career combined?! That's not developing, there's something fishy going on.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : Understood...but more HR's this year than his entire career combined?! That's not developing, there's something fishy going on.
    Posted by < />.The-Babe.<>[/QUOTE]

    But again, his 'entire career' is only 3 full seasons.  Damon's first 3 full seasons he hit 6-8-18 HR so it was the same thing.  I'm sure there are many other examples.
     
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    In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years?:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : Understood...but more HR's this year than his entire career combined?! That's not developing, there's something fishy going on.
    Posted by < />.The-Babe.<>[/QUOTE]
    Oh come on. Jorge Posada's first three full seasons with the Yankees: 17, 12, 28. Fishy there?
    Ellsbury was always thought to have home run potential. But as previously stated, he only had two full seasons until this year.
    This is beneath you.

     
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    Ummm...this is Ellsbury's third full season.  Sometimes it takes a few seasons for hitters to develop as home run hitters.

    To which I would change sometimes to usually.  Also Ellsbury played a grand total of 18 games last season which would have been his 3rd full season.  Granderson was hitting in the low twenties for home runs in his first 3 seasons and in year 4 hit 30 for the first time. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : Oh come on. Jorge Posada's first three full seasons with the Yankees: 17, 12, 28. Fishy there? Ellsbury was always thought to have home run potential. But as previously stated, he only had two full seasons until this year. This is beneath you.

    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]

    A jump from 17 to 28 is a far cry from 9 to 23......

     
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    [QUOTE]Anyone using BA for what Agon did for Padres is a total dimwit. Ellsbury is reaping off of pitchers not wanting to face Pedroia and Agon. When Ellsbury breaks pink hat hearts and takes his superstar act elsewhere, he will show how inferior he is to Crawford, another fools gold profile.
    Posted by S0ftl@w[/QUOTE]
    They don't want to face Pedey or Gonzalez, so they give Ellsbury good pitches to hit? Is that what you're saying?
     
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    In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years?:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : A jump from 17 to 28 is a far cry from 9 to 23......
    Posted by < />.The-Babe.<>[/QUOTE]
    One is 11, the other is 14. Not exactly a far cry, but whatever ...
    Again, it's his third full season. Seriously, this is beneath you.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : A jump from 17 to 28 is a far cry from a jump of 9 to 23.......
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    So good to see you and Softy on the same page.
     
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