Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years?

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    In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : One is a complete season and one is not. By the time this season ends ellsbury will probably have tripled his previous high, big difference.
    Posted by < />.The-Babe.< />

    You mean like Jeter nearly did when he went from 10 to 24 from 1997 to '99?

    Look, I understand where you're coming from. You hate the Red Sox, so you enjoy launching baseless accusations. And I'll admit, a lot of Red Sox fans do the same thing regarding your team. Part of the rivalry, I guess. Me, unless I have any evidence, I stay away from it. (Oh, and for the record, I was not suggesting Jeter juiced, only pointing out a parallel).

    Remember, they actually test for that stuff now, and the penalty for first violation is 50 games.
     
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    Seriously give it up, no one honestly gives a rat's behind what you think anyway!
     
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    In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : You mean like Jeter nearly did when he went from 10 to 24 from 1997 to '99? Look, I understand where you're coming from. You hate the Red Sox, so you enjoy launching baseless accusations. And I'll admit, a lot of Red Sox fans do the same thing regarding your team. Part of the rivalry, I guess. Me, unless I have any evidence, I stay away from it. (Oh, and for the record, I was not suggesting Jeter juiced, only pointing out a parallel). Remember, they actually test for that stuff now, and the penalty for first violation is 50 games.

    Posted by LloydDobler

    ells should share some with agon........

     
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    In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : You mean like Jeter nearly did when he went from 10 to 24 from 1997 to '99? Look, I understand where you're coming from. You hate the Red Sox, so you enjoy launching baseless accusations. And I'll admit, a lot of Red Sox fans do the same thing regarding your team. Part of the rivalry, I guess. Me, unless I have any evidence, I stay away from it. (Oh, and for the record, I was not suggesting Jeter juiced, only pointing out a parallel). Remember, they actually test for that stuff now, and the penalty for first violation is 50 games.

    Posted by LloydDobler

    And Jeter went from 10 to 19 to 24....slightly different than 9 to 8 to 23+

     
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    Best in the game? Not likely. Rickey Henderson was probably never considered the best in the game at point in his career but he was with little argument the best leadoff hitter of "all-time". He is having a great year. The progression a lot of people thought Jacoby would show as he matured is becoming a reality.
    Posted by fivekatz


    I think in 1990 Henderson was widely considered the best player in the game, at least for that year.  His power and average were a bit erratic from year to year - one year he would hit 28 HRs and bat .325, and the next year he would hit 12 HRs and hit .270.  He was always well regareded, but in this era, with the prevalence of OBP and OPS stats I think he would have received even more respect.  Imagine what Ellsbury's stats would look like if he had the plate discipline of a Rickey Henderson.

     
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    Have to agree with Softee on this one ... Els is great, but PD and Gonzo are a huge reason why he is having such a great year. 

    Gonzo leads the league in hits.  He can hit anything.  PD has become PD again, and what else is there to say.  Els gets good balls to hit because they won't pitch around him to get to PD then Gonzo ... that would be suicide.  

    Pitchers have intentionally walked Gonzo with Youk up next, who would have thought that would ever happen?  But the point is NOBODY walks Els to get to PD, and NOBODY walks PD to get to Gonzo.   Els gets pitches to hit because of this.    

    Els has played great, no doubt.  If he does this again next year, I would say he has arrived.   Bay had a great year here too.    Els will always have skills, but to say he will be one of the best is a tough call at this point. 
     
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    i wonder if ortiz and colon share the same straw?
     
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    ram, great use of facts to show how slanted and prejudiced some so-called fans are flapping around trying to "prove" they are right. Ells is having a great season, based solely on his skill and the work he has obviously put in to improve his game. All Sox fans should be singing his praises.
     
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    When Damon had Nomar-Manny-Ortiz behind him in 2003, putting up all-star/HOF numbers for a historic offense he hit .272/.345 with 12 HR's I guess Ells 2011 season clearly shows him to be better than 'ol Johnny
    Posted by rameakap


    Maybe, but Ortiz wasn't big Papi until half way through the year in 2003, at which point Damon's average jumped 30 points, followed by his best season with the Sox in 2004.  I don't want to take anything away from Ellsbury, but there's no doubt it helps to have good hitters behind you, and in the case of Ellsbury & Damon, if you're a right-handed pitcher, you have to go after them with Papi and Gonzalez looming.


     
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    Heck, he even has more dingers than AGon and more runs scored.

    Put him in Seattle leadoff and see how many runs he scores.
     
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    Jacoby Ellsbury's age 27 season this year resembles Darin Erstad's age 26 season in 2000: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/erstada01.shtml Ellsbury and Erstad could have similar careers ... or not. Some more Ellsbury comps: http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14137
    Posted by hill55

    Excellent link.  My god, that Hanley Ramirez '07 season was epic!

    And to answer the OP, no he won't be the "best player in the game" but he certainly has potential to be one of the top X (idk, 10? 15? ... who knows).  Either way, he's having a great year and is an integral part of our great lineup.  Let's hope CC continues an upward trend into the playoffs and Youk comes back playing like, well, Youk.
     
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    Heck, he even has more dingers than AGon and more runs scored. Put him in Seattle leadoff and see how many runs he scores.

    Posted by S0ftl@w

    Geez...they same could be said about anyone.

    How many runs do you think your boy kemp would score batting leadoff in seattle?

     
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    Put him in Seattle leadoff and see how many runs he scores.

    Unfortunately, to be honest, the same could be said about Pedroia. His career home/away splits are quite telling. Playing "what if" is meaningless. Ellsbury is a very good player this season for the Boston Red Sox. That is a fact. Put Gonzo on the Mariners and watch his numbers drop as well. None of this speculation proves anything.
     
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    and I'd love to put Ells in Seattle Ellsbury and Buchholz (with Jenks thrown in) for King Felix and Ichiro 1 year of Ichiro at 17 million. He is 37 and having a bad year. He has had 3,600 hits since 1993...haha... as the ignorant bellow 'its all about the lineup' maybe we can get one more .300/.360 year out of Ichiro with 200 hits. Seattle gets their hometown star and extends him on Borad's terms. We get 17m off the books after 2012 to go after Kemp. Ichiro Crawford Pedroia AGon Youk Papi is a scary 1-6 and Felix just makes our rotation so dominant
    Posted by rameakap


    Bad deal.  Ellsbury has shot way past Ichiro and is 10 years younger with a lot more HR power.  Hernandez is better than Buchholz, but not that much better, plus he has never pitched a full season in the AL East. 
     
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    Have to agree with Softee on this one ... Els is great, but PD and Gonzo are a huge reason why he is having such a great year.

    Gonzo leads the league in hits. He can hit anything. PD has become PD again, and what else is there to say. Els gets good balls to hit because they won't pitch around him to get to PD then Gonzo ... that would be suicide.

    Pitchers have intentionally walked Gonzo with Youk up next, who would have thought that would ever happen? But the point is NOBODY walks Els to get to PD, and NOBODY walks PD to get to Gonzo. Els gets pitches to hit because of this.


    Els has played great, no doubt. If he does this again next year, I would say he has arrived. Bay had a great year here too. Els will always have skills, but to say he will be one of the best is a tough call at this point.

    A sober mind in a drunken den.

    Manny already was slugging at a high level on a 1994 Indians team that was no good. He was what transformed the Indians and brought in more talent to go around him. Kid, you are still slobbering about Tex coming to Red Sox. You are clueless. 
     
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    David - It proves EVERYTHING.  Don't you see?  Let me help you:
    The dog is wagging his tail because the Arby's clock says it's time for room service meatballs.

    Am I the only one who truly understands Softy?
     
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    David - It proves EVERYTHING.  Don't you see?  Let me help you: The dog is wagging his tail because the Arby's clock says it's time for room service meatballs. Am I the only one who truly understands Softy?
    Posted by 111SoxFan111


    You have almost cracked the nut 111.  let me help you with the final piece of the puzzle:  the question is not WHY the dog is wagging its tail, its HOW.  Answer:  Reverse Pivot.  You are welcome.
     
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    Manny already was slugging at a high level on a 2004 Indians team that was no good.

    You heard it hear first folks. Manny was moonlighting for the Cleveland Indians in 2004. Who knew?
     
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    Well played Spaceman ... well played indeed.  Clearly having you behind me in our lineup has made me look better than I actually am.
     
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    Have to agree with Softee on this one ... Els is great, but PD and Gonzo are a huge reason why he is having such a great year.  Gonzo leads the league in hits.  He can hit anything.  PD has become PD again, and what else is there to say.  Els gets good balls to hit because they won't pitch around him to get to PD then Gonzo ... that would be suicide.   Pitchers have intentionally walked Gonzo with Youk up next, who would have thought that would ever happen?  But the point is NOBODY walks Els to get to PD, and NOBODY walks PD to get to Gonzo.   Els gets pitches to hit because of this.     Els has played great, no doubt.  If he does this again next year, I would say he has arrived.   Bay had a great year here too.    Els will always have skills, but to say he will be one of the best is a tough call at this point. 
    Posted by soxmeister

     Ellsbury gets good pitches because if you walk him you may find him standing on third with an RBI guy at the plate a couple of seconds later. It's great having him followed by guys who can drive in runs, but it's also terrific to have a guy at the top of your lineup who's on track to get 200 hits and has blinding speed.
     
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    and I'd love to put Ells in Seattle Ellsbury and Buchholz (with Jenks thrown in) for King Felix and Ichiro 1 year of Ichiro at 17 million. He is 37 and having a bad year. He has had 3,600 hits since 1993...haha... as the ignorant bellow 'its all about the lineup' maybe we can get one more .300/.360 year out of Ichiro with 200 hits. Seattle gets their hometown star and extends him on Borad's terms. We get 17m off the books after 2012 to go after Kemp. Ichiro Crawford Pedroia AGon Youk Papi is a scary 1-6 and Felix just makes our rotation so dominant
    Posted by rameakap

    Huh?

    Bobby Jenks went to high school in the Seattle area, but he hardly qualifies as a "star." Jacoby Ellsbury grew up and went to college about the same distance from Seattle that Philadelphia is from Boston. Seattle is hardly Ellsbury's hometown.

    That package would not be nearly enough to lure Felix Hernandez away from Seattle.
     
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    Heck, he even has more dingers than AGon and more runs scored. Put him in Seattle leadoff and see how many runs he scores.
    Posted by S0ftl@w


    people are now talking gold glove for ells now.how does that make you feel?
     
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    Have to agree with Softee on this one ... Els is great, but PD and Gonzo are a huge reason why he is having such a great year. Gonzo leads the league in hits. He can hit anything. PD has become PD again, and what else is there to say. Els gets good balls to hit because they won't pitch around him to get to PD then Gonzo ... that would be suicide. Pitchers have intentionally walked Gonzo with Youk up next, who would have thought that would ever happen? But the point is NOBODY walks Els to get to PD, and NOBODY walks PD to get to Gonzo. Els gets pitches to hit because of this. Els has played great, no doubt. If he does this again next year, I would say he has arrived. Bay had a great year here too. Els will always have skills, but to say he will be one of the best is a tough call at this point. A sober mind in a drunken den. Manny already was slugging at a high level on a 2004 Indians team that was no good. He was what transformed the Indians and brought in more talent to go around him. Kid, you are still slobbering about Tex coming to Red Sox. You are clueless. 
    Posted by S0ftl@w


    know what transforms the sox CRAWBURYTongue out
     
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    Have to agree with Softee on this one ... Els is great, but PD and Gonzo are a huge reason why he is having such a great year. Gonzo leads the league in hits. He can hit anything. PD has become PD again, and what else is there to say. Els gets good balls to hit because they won't pitch around him to get to PD then Gonzo ... that would be suicide. Pitchers have intentionally walked Gonzo with Youk up next, who would have thought that would ever happen? But the point is NOBODY walks Els to get to PD, and NOBODY walks PD to get to Gonzo. Els gets pitches to hit because of this. Els has played great, no doubt. If he does this again next year, I would say he has arrived. Bay had a great year here too. Els will always have skills, but to say he will be one of the best is a tough call at this point. A sober mind in a drunken den. Manny already was slugging at a high level on a 2004 Indians team that was no good. He was what transformed the Indians and brought in more talent to go around him. Kid, you are still slobbering about Tex coming to Red Sox. You are clueless. 
    Posted by S0ftl@w


    Who played left field for the Sox in 2004?  Was he Manny's evil twin?
     
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    In Response to Re: Could Jacoby Ellsbury become the best player in the game within the next few years? : When Pedey, Bay and Youk hit behind Ells in '09... and combined for about 80 HR's, 175 RBI's and a .900 OPS, everyone RIPPED into Ells for having  .347 OBP, .750 OPS and 4 Hr's in his 500 AB's from the leadoff spot. In 2009 Ells also had VMart hit 15 HR's, 67 RBI's and a .912 OPS down the stretch (last 56 games) after the trade and Papi catch fire 2nd half of the year with 20 HR's, 60 RBI and an .885 OPS after the all-star break. So when we had FIVE dominant hitters down the stretch in '09 people were often upset with Ells...and now we have THREE (4 if you consider the injured Youk and his mediocre .266/.380/.881 line) dominant hitters and Ells is hitting.. .322/.378/.902 in 475 AB's from leadoff w/ 20 of his 21 HR's and 73 of his 81 RBI. ...and it is because of the hitters behind him???? hahahahahahahahaha
    Posted by rameakap



    Gonzo leads the LEAGUE in BA and HITS and total bases.    Bay???? Never close to that.  Youk???? never close to that.  What is your point?!?!?!?

    None of them have hit like Gonzo, or maybe you can't read stats.   Or worse, maybe you think leading in hits and BA while being a slugger means nothing??? 

    Comparing Bay to Gonzo is just plain asinine.    This team leads the league in runs scored, and has done so before Jake was even a thought for MVP.   I never ranked on Jake for anything, but to deny he is benefiting from Gonzo and PD is totally inane. 

    And what's with the laughter in your post, is that how you make a point?
     
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