Re: could we accept a Jason Collins walking thru those Fenway doors today with RED SOX on his jersey?
posted at 5/1/2013 12:01 PM EDT
In response to pumpsie-green's comment:
In response to prknsdnld's comment:
In response to hill55's comment:
In response to S5's comment:
I don't think the question is whether we as fans could accept a gay player. My concern is that the player can pull his own weight and contribute to the team, regardless of sexual persuasion. I think the question is what it would do to the clubhouse chemistry.
Let's face it, heteroexual guys. We're pigs. When we see someone we're physically attracted to our eyes don't always go to her eyes. Are gay guys any different?
The clubhouse is a very tight knit community with an assumption (whether correct or not) of complete heterosexuality. Having an integrated locker room with players running around with only a towel (or less) on could prove to be very distracting for both the gay and straight players.
With opinions of homosexuality vs heterosexuality running as strong as they do I can see having a gay player being something that could polarize a locker room and therefore a team.
So my question, and it is a serious question, is this: Where do the rights of a gay player to "pursue his trade" fall within the realm of an owner who wants to maintain a harmonious clubhouse?
Wasn't that an issue when Jackie Robinson integrated Major League Baseball?
Jackie Robinson played in an all- black baseball league before playing for the Dodgers. Collins did not play in an all- gay basketball league before the N.B.A.
This is different. And Robinson could not hide the color of his skin.
No, Robinson could not hide the color of his skin-he was born that way. Nor should Collins have to hide what he was born as either. He should feel free to come out of the closet-or not-and not have a single critical comment made about it. It seems that some folks here have an issue with it though. And thats sad. Fortunately, society is changing and eventually homophobia will be relegated to its proper position.
Pumpsie...you have not responded to the post above about possible disruption in a locker room with people nude who have different views on sex. You've come out with the race issue and in this case, it is not Apples to Apples. Yes, it is discrimination but the circumstances of being nude in close quarters is different. You are correct that a Black can't hide his color so there is no coming out of the closet. The only thing necessary is that racism becomes accepted. Wouldn't you say it has with so many Latins in baseball and maybe, I would guess, 75% of basketball players are black. Why---well, this could be another topic, are they better athletes than whites ?
I have no problem with Collins coming out of the closet. He was a mediocre BIG MAN and Celtics being last or close to it the past few years in rebs still let him go. I don't know how much more of a future he'll have and only because of his mediocre basketball skills and I sense he may have had a complex about it so came out and said very bravely, I'm Gay!
I'm saying, unless the person is effeminate, and we can't tell as opposed to a Black, if he has any intelligence he would understand many might feel uncomfortable in the locker rooms so don't disclose anything until he's out of basketball & then rent an airplane skywriter if he wishes.
I put Jackie Robinson & the race card issue in a different category than gays mingling with non-gays. In the Military in the foxholes & showers, one or many may have had disciminatory feelings but the non-white person was not a threat to one's beliefs that God put us on this earth to use our God given gift to pro-create when physically able to do so. I've said this before, I play mixed doubles tennis with females, we are clothed but I still find them attractive and I would be aroused(and doubt if many heterosexuals wouldn't be too) if we then showered together. Sure it's nice to say that Jason Collins or other gays can control their sexual feelings in nude surroundings but the situation may make heterosexuals uncomfortable and cause a moral problem. I recommend, as we don't shower with women, that the gays have separate shower stalls. Now, if someone discriminates against gays if their sexual preference is not threatened as being in a shower with them, then yes they are bigots.
OK, hopefully this topic has been beaten ala a dead horse and I'm impressed that so many avid sports fans have very intelligent, some not so much, views on this controversal subject.
I wish to end with some levity that we refer to the Bible to help resolve the issue of same sex marriage & the use of marijuana as it says and I'm paraphrasing " Man who lies with Man shall be Stoned" !!!