Crawford never got tagged

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    Crawford never got tagged

    After watching the replay Crawford never got tagged after crashing into the catcher.   

    Tough call!
     
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    No good reason why challenges and instant replay aren't allowed on all close plays at a base.

    That said, I'm stunned Crawford actually got on base. Good for him, he should be out of the 200's OBP before season end.
     
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    But he also never touched the plate, which the catcher was lying on.

     
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    No good reason why challenges and instant replay aren't allowed on all close plays at a base. That said, I'm stunned Crawford actually got on base. Good for him, he should be out of the 200's OBP before season end.
    Posted by softylaw


    You once again can't concentrate on the thread topic.
     
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    No good reason why challenges and instant replay aren't allowed on all close plays at a base

    You, once again, have no reading comprehension and add nothing but drivel to the thread topic. You are an idiot.
     
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    I refuse to give up on Crawford.  What's happened to him this season is nothing short of bizarre.  One of these days he's going to go to the ballpark and be the Carl Crawford we dreaded playing against for years.  Hopefully it will happen at the end of the month when the Yanks roll in, this time with Arod batting cleanup. 
     
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    he was out
     
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    i thought he should have slid.
     
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    To the core of this thread, the replay pretty clearly shows that Perez's mitt, with the ball inside, never tagged Crawford. Seems to me that neither was he out ('cuz he wasn't tagged) nor was he safe ('cuz he never touched home plate). What's the rule on tagging a runner out a home? (I have a recollection that the allowable home plate collisions mean that the rule might be different from at other bases.) Can anyone help?
     
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    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged:
    No good reason why challenges and instant replay aren't allowed on all close plays at a base. That said, I'm stunned Crawford actually got on base. Good for him, he should be out of the 200's OBP before season end.
    Posted by softylaw


    wanna bet?

    also, i know a way jd crawford can get on base almost every game;
    make him the highest paid pinch runner in the history of baseball.
    put that one on theo's resume.
     
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    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged:
    I refuse to give up on Crawford.  What's happened to him this season is nothing short of bizarre.  One of these days he's going to go to the ballpark and be the Carl Crawford we dreaded playing against for years.  Hopefully it will happen at the end of the month when the Yanks roll in, this time with Arod batting cleanup. 
    Posted by fenwayjack2


    What is bizarre about a player swinging half heartedly, stinking up the joint, and continuing to deploy a stance who knows why he's using it.
     
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    [QUOTE  One of these days he's going to go to the ballpark and be the Carl Crawford we dreaded playing against for years. 
    Posted by fenwayjack2[/QUOTE]

    It needs to happen soon...real soon.
     
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    [QUOTE]To the core of this thread, the replay pretty clearly shows that Perez's mitt, with the ball inside, never tagged Crawford. Seems to me that neither was he out ('cuz he wasn't tagged) nor was he safe ('cuz he never touched home plate). What's the rule on tagging a runner out a home? (I have a recollection that the allowable home plate collisions mean that the rule might be different from at other bases.) Can anyone help?
    Posted by mu88[/QUOTE]







    (I have a recollection that the allowable home plate collisions mean that the rule might be different from at other bases.)

    not sure mu88,
     

    could be, but I don't think so

    I just think the ump called him out prematurely and no one argued

    because they assumed he tagged him
     
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    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged :  not sure mu88,   could be, but I don't think so I just think the ump called him out prematurely and no one argued because they assumed he tagged him
    Posted by pinstripezac32


    As zac says...this was probably a premature call by the ump because if he saw that no tag was made on the runner AND the runner didn't touch the bag he would either delay his call or just call him safe!

    That is how umpires are taught to call these types of situations at any bag. The onus falls on the defensive team to apply a tag, in a non-force situation, or the runner is safe.
     
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    To the core of this thread, the replay pretty clearly shows that Perez's mitt, with the ball inside, never tagged Crawford. Seems to me that neither was he out ('cuz he wasn't tagged) nor was he safe ('cuz he never touched home plate). What's the rule on tagging a runner out a home? (I have a recollection that the allowable home plate collisions mean that the rule might be different from at other bases.) Can anyone help?
    Posted by mu88


    with the ball secured in his glove the ruling is that any part of his body becomes an extension of his glove in a collision at home....
     
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    It was still a good inning for Crawford--on with a single, then steals second, then third, and goes home on the short fly to CF with a terrific throw by Cabrera and a collision at the plate.  Crawford wants to win. 

     
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    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged : with the ball secured in his glove the ruling is that any part of his body becomes an extension of his glove in a collision at home....
    Posted by Beantowne


    1st I heard of that

    but your word is good enough for me  BT







    well actually I tried googling it but came up empty ;-)
     
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    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged : with the ball secured in his glove the ruling is that any part of his body becomes an extension of his glove in a collision at home....
    Posted by Beantowne


    OK Beantowne what is your source for this, since I never heard of it.

    Although not easy to find here is what I could find on this type of play...it pretty says what I explained earlier:

    Missed tag and missed base

    This answer is from the N.A.P.B.L Umpire Manual :

    "On a play at the plate, should the runner miss home plate and the fielder miss the tag on the runner, the umpire shall make no signal on the play. The runner must be tagged if he attempts to return to the plate; if he continues on his way to the bench, the defense may make an appeal."

    Although it does not specifically say what the umpire does if the defense does not appeal or tag the runner after he goes to the dugout it is assumed he would be called safe since no official out call was made and the defense did not appeal.
     
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    Can you show this rule I never heard this in my life..



    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged : with the ball secured in his glove the ruling is that any part of his body becomes an extension of his glove in a collision at home....
    Posted by Beantowne


     
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    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged:
    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged : OK Beantowne what is your source for this, since I never heard of it. Although not easy to find here is what I could find on this type of play...it pretty says what I explained earlier: Missed tag and missed base This answer is from the N.A.P.B.L Umpire Manual : "On a play at the plate, should the runner miss home plate and the fielder miss the tag on the runner, the umpire shall make no signal on the play. The runner must be tagged if he attempts to return to the plate; if he continues on his way to the bench, the defense may make an appeal." Although it does not specifically say what the umpire does if the defense does not appeal or tag the runner after he goes to the dugout it is assumed he would be called safe since no official out call was made and the defense did not appeal.
    Posted by Soxdog67


     You can't assume he was safe simply because he never touched the base/plate. I believe once a player starts to leave the field, give himself up sought to speak, he is out, EG. dropped third strike and the batter makes no attempt to go to first and returns to dugout. This is just another example of lack of fundementals on the part of a Red Sox player. Players should never leave, or start to leave the field of play until a clear out call has been made. They teach this in Little league it's not that hard !!
     
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    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged:
    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged :  You can't assume he was safe simply because he never touched the base/plate. I believe once a player starts to leave the field, give himself up sought to speak, he is out, EG. dropped third strike and the batter makes no attempt to go to first and returns to dugout. This is just another example of lack of fundementals on the part of a Red Sox player. Players should never leave, or start to leave the field of play until a clear out call has been made. They teach this in Little league it's not that hard !!
    Posted by ALaGatorAL


    Al, a wild pitch on a 3rd strike is a totally different scenario, the batter has struck out and is allowed 1st base if he decides to run out the wild pitch.

    Obviously you did not watch the play itself because your 'lack of fundamentals" comment makes you look foolish, since on the play in question here, Crawford tries to separate the catcher from the ball with a head first block-type slide, and was immediately called out by the umpire.

    First off, Crawford would have no idea that he was not tagged because of the premature call by the umpire. Secondly, if the umpire had withheld his call if he felt the catcher did not tag the runner than Crawford would have realized that and went to tag the bag, as the catcher would have tried to tag the runner.

    A no call by the umpire is a clear indication to all players involved that the play is still live...however, if the runner happens to return to the dugout, assuming he touched the bag, and the play is not appealed by the defense, the runner would be deemed SAFE and the run would count...the onus is on the defense to make the play, either with a tag or on appeal.
     
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    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged:
    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged : OK Beantowne what is your source for this, since I never heard of it. Although not easy to find here is what I could find on this type of play...it pretty says what I explained earlier: Missed tag and missed base This answer is from the N.A.P.B.L Umpire Manual : "On a play at the plate, should the runner miss home plate and the fielder miss the tag on the runner, the umpire shall make no signal on the play. The runner must be tagged if he attempts to return to the plate; if he continues on his way to the bench, the defense may make an appeal." Although it does not specifically say what the umpire does if the defense does not appeal or tag the runner after he goes to the dugout it is assumed he would be called safe since no official out call was made and the defense did not appeal.
    Posted by Soxdog67


    Disagree; he would be out 'cause he left the baseline.
     
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    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged : Disagree; he would be out 'cause he left the baseline.
    Posted by nhsteven


    What??  Once a runner crosses home plate he's left the baseline! So any player who missed the plate and goes back to tag it would be out, solely for the reason you specify.




     
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    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged:
    he was out
    Posted by redsoxlaxer12
    He was out only because the umpire called him out.Just like butler hit a HR to beat the Spankees just because the umpire called it a HR. In carl's case the catcher caught the bal and turned away from Crawford as he was slamming into him and he never tagged him with the glove and ball or even just the ball. It didn't matter in the grand scheme of things but it is another disturbing bad call against the Sox that have happened in the last two weeks...
     
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    In Response to Re: Crawford never got tagged : What??  Once a runner crosses home plate he's left the baseline! So any player who missed the plate and goes back to tag it would be out, solely for the reason you specify.
    Posted by Soxdog67


    However, he never crossed the plate, so he was out of the baseline first. If he touched the plate, I believe he's safe.
     
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