Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/17/2011 10:49 PM EDT
- LloydDobler
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Well, his little hot streak is over and now he's complaining that "batting 8th feels like a demotion" ? Note to Carl Crawford - IT IS A DEMOTION He's batting more like Tek than Pedey and he's lucky to be batting 8th right now. Besides, pay me 142 million and you bat me anywhere's in the line up you want..........Unbelieveable.
Posted by andrewmitch
Are you sure he said that? Story that just ran the other day in the Globe quoted him as saying ...
“What choice do you have? You have to play at the end of the day and try and help the team win any way you can. I really don’t even think about it. You figure you’re in the game still and you try and help the team.’
“You can’t be thinking about all that negative stuff. Once the lineup is up, you look at it and that’s it and it’s time to play. You don’t want all that stuff to carry over."
And Francona said ...
“Carl’s been nothing but professional in everything. He wasn’t hitting very well at the beginning and he tried harder to be a good hitter. It took him a little longer than everybody wanted. But he won the clubhouse over with his work ethic."
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/17/2011 10:51 PM EDT
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I don't know any Zacks. Do I live on the wrong side of the railroad tracks? How many parents would name their son Zachary these days?
Posted by Your-Echo
Another example of
Pike's sick need to segregate people.
Now he uses a name as a lead-in.
Your Giraldi-inept puppet fools nobody.
Your sickness always seaps through.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 4:24 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!! : Andrewmitch won't forgive him until he does.
Posted by Your-Echo
softy won't forgive him even
if he does. softy just seems to hate guys that are fast. I'm sure if he were a pirates fan in the 60's he would have been railing on Roberto Clemente.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 8:38 AM EDT
- moonslav59
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CC Gold Glove winner= great fielder... no debate allowed.
I was laughed at when I said CC should be platooned for vs LHPs. His career and 2010 sub .700 numbers don't lie, and $20+ M/year changes nothing.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 8:55 AM EDT
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Yes Yes Yes I heard him use the word DEMOTION but remember, I said it didn't come straight from Crawford....I heard it right but of course, it could have been a mistake or whatever on their part..........Also, I don't know if Craw accepted the demotion or was angered by it.....I agree since it was only heard once it may not mean anything or at the very least just let it go. But if it does come up again it shouldn't come as a surprise to you........
Zack - sorry dude but that was a weak attempt to jump all over me. Saying you'd rather have Crawford hit more like Tek than Pedey just because Tek is doing well at this specific point in time and Pedey is in a slump. Unless you honestly believe that Tek is a better hitter than Pedey and then that's another discussion. Actually, it isn't; I would never engage in such a discussion.......
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 9:09 AM EDT
I am not sure why people are saying he needs to get used to the wall??? Ahhhhh did he not just come from Tampa? Let's see, 19 games a year, 9 games at Fenway a year. 8 years in the league? I am not positive about that number as I am just writing this. That's a max of 72 games in LF for Crawford.
THATS ENOUGH !!!!!
I wonder why he is LOOKING this bad in the field. He is not this bad at all and we ALL know it.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 9:17 AM EDT
- LloydDobler
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Anyway, to the point of Crawford's defense ... he has one error this year, which if I'm not mistaken came in Sunday night's game in NY. That cost the Sox a run. That's the only bad moment I can recall so far.
That said, overall he's been a disappointment so far. Nobody, Crawford himself, would dispute that.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 9:20 AM EDT
you owe me one andrewmitch“Oh man, there’s no way I’m not going to think it’s a demotion,” Crawford said with a self-deprecating laugh before last night’s 7-6 loss to the Toronto Blue Jays at Rogers Centre. “This is a good lineup, but it would be hard for me not to look at it like that. I’m not complaining about it or anything like that. That’s just the way it is in my mind.”
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/2011_0511crawford_merits_move_up_in_order/
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 9:27 AM EDT
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Yes Yes Yes I heard him use the word DEMOTION but remember, I said it didn't come straight from Crawford....I heard it right but of course, it could have been a mistake or whatever on their part..........Also, I don't know if Craw accepted the demotion or was angered by it.....I agree since it was only heard once it may not mean anything or at the very least just let it go. But if it does come up again it shouldn't come as a surprise to you........ Zack - sorry dude but that was a weak attempt to jump all over me. Saying you'd rather have Crawford hit more like Tek than Pedey just because Tek is doing well at this specific point in time and Pedey is in a slump. Unless you honestly believe that Tek is a better hitter than Pedey and then that's another discussion. Actually, it isn't; I would never engage in such a discussion.......
Posted by andrewmitch
You are contradicting yourself now! Read your earlier post. You clearly stated that Crawford was angered/complaining and it was "YOU" that referenced demotion, not Crawford. I would expect something like this from the Carnival Monkey but not from you.Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!! posted at 5/17/2011 2:01 PM EDT | |
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Note to Carl Crawford - IT IS A DEMOTION
He's batting more like Tek than Pedey and he's lucky to be batting 8th right now. Besides, pay me 142 million and you bat me anywhere's in the line up you want..........Unbelieveable. |
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 9:35 AM EDT
- zeitgeist49
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It is becoming more and more evident with each passing game. More than 1/4 of the season has passed. CC is not able to handle playing on a BIG STAGE. He's accustomed to playing in a small market, Tampa, where there was minimal pressure. There's a long list of players who have been intimidated playing in New York and Boston Also, he may be overwhelmed by his contract. How else can his slump/demise be explained ? He's not injured. Maybe he will eventually adjust and his talents will be realized. One can only hope.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 9:38 AM EDT
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you owe me one andrewmitch “Oh man, there’s no way I’m not going to think it’s a demotion,” Crawford said with a self-deprecating laugh before last night’s 7-6 loss to the Toronto Blue Jays at Rogers Centre. “This is a good lineup, but it would be hard for me not to look at it like that. I’m not complaining about it or anything like that. That’s just the way it is in my mind.”
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/2011_0511crawford_merits_move_up_in_order/Posted by pinstripezac32
Oh, hell, does anybody have a problem with that? I'm guessing that was a direct question -- "Do you consider this a demotion?" -- and he answered it.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 9:45 AM EDT
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and people wonder why some players don't want to play on a big market team....
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 9:48 AM EDT
Can't hit and can't field and now looks like a platoon player...all for the bargain price of $142M!!
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 9:51 AM EDT
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Can't hit and can't field and now looks like a platoon player...all for the bargain price of $142M!!
Posted by --The--Babe--1
And yet, the mighty Yankees still can't beat them.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 9:56 AM EDT
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Playball - please settle down.......
The announcer/writer said "CC considered it a demotion"
I said that to me, based on what I heard, it sounded like he was angered by it....However, it is hard for me to really know if he was actually angered by it or if he accepted it....If I had to say one way or another, I would say he was angered by it; however, the only item left is was he angered by it beause it was his own fault or was he angered by it because he still thinks he should be batting higher in the order.......
I am not trying to twist words...I am just trying to communicate what I know I heard.......Like I said, I wouldn't consider it an issue unless it comes up again anyways.........But it wouldnt' surprise me if it did come up again....
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 9:59 AM EDT
Oh, hell, does anybody have a problem with that? I'm guessing that was a direct question -- "Do you consider this a demotion?" -- and he answered it.
Lloyd
it seems to me that anyone who has a problem with that
has a bigger problem
they can't handle the truth
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 10:07 AM EDT
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I think Lloyd found the proper reference....the announcer must have referenced that article....I guess we all know it's a demotion and Carl is handling it the best way he can. It shouldn't be an issue. The announcer led me to believe it was more of an issue than it really is....move on.........
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 10:29 AM EDT
I've said this before, but he is WAY OUT OF HIS ELEMENT in LF, especially at Fenway......
The short porch w/ The Monster takes away Crawford's biggest asset in the outfield..... his speed!!!! We know his arm is marginal..... The monster does not allow him to run down long fly balls......
If I were running the show (a scary prospect) I would strongly consider moving J.D. Drew to LF!!!! I am convinced that J.D, a VERY GOOD outfielder would be perfect for LF at Fenway!!! Very smart outfielder! Would learn that WALL quickly!!! Good arm... etc.
RF would give Crawford more room to run down balls & protect that big gap in R -C field....
???????? Just a thought?????
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 10:35 AM EDT
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I don't know any Zacks. Do I live on the wrong side of the railroad tracks? How many parents would name their son Zachary these days?
Posted by Your-Echo
Nah, you live on the wrong side of the Zacks, man.
Also, softserve, yeah, Theo
likes to make bad signings based on career years. That's what it is.
I was bummed that CC bobbled that ball that let Granderson score, too, but he's only been playing in Fenway's LF as his home for a short time and he's only been slumping for a short time compared to his career. Ugliest swing in baseball? Please. He is a valuable ballplayer and this signing will only be evaluated w/ accuracy in about 3 years not after 41 games.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 10:40 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!! : Nah, you live on the wrong side of the Zacks, man. Also, softserve, yeah, Theo likes to make bad signings based on career years. That's what it is. I was bummed that CC bobbled that ball that let Granderson score, too, but he's only been playing in Fenway's LF as his home for a short time and he's only been slumping for a short time compared to his career. Ugliest swing in baseball? Please. He is a valuable ballplayer and
this signing will only be evaluated w/ accuracy in about 3 years not after 41 games.Posted by CTJake14
Fair enough, but when you only have 41 games to evaluate by.......
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 10:41 AM EDT
Must be boring when a thread runs rampant with speculation over a simple straighforward harmless statement in the newspaper. He says a was a demotion and he can live with it due to the circumstances.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 11:08 AM EDT
Must be boring when a thread runs rampant with speculation over a simple straighforward harmless statement in the newspaper.
kinda boring
but not when you compare it to
another pike & the pikettes post
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 11:21 AM EDT
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no, it was good to get to the bottom of it.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 11:45 AM EDT
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I've said this before, but he is WAY OUT OF HIS ELEMENT in LF, especially at Fenway...... The short porch w/ The Monster takes away Crawford's biggest asset in the outfield..... his speed!!!! We know his arm is marginal..... The monster does not allow him to run down long fly balls...... If I were running the show (a scary prospect) I would strongly consider moving J.D. Drew to LF!!!! I am convinced that J.D, a VERY GOOD outfielder would be perfect for LF at Fenway!!! Very smart outfielder! Would learn that WALL quickly!!! Good arm... etc. RF would give Crawford more room to run down balls & protect that big gap in R -C field.... ???????? Just a thought?????
Posted by redsoxdirtdog
Playing the Monstah is one thing, but I think people overlook some important factors about what his speed brings to the table in LF. Yes, his speed is neutralized in the vertical plain. But, his lateral range allows Ellsbury to shade more to the parks' very dangerous right center area. I think this is of greater value than any value lost with the short porch in terms of his speed.
Re: CRAWFORD'S DEFENSE IS DISAPPOINTING!!
posted at 5/18/2011 11:56 AM EDT
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no, it was good to get to the bottom of it.
Posted by andrewmitch
that's what she said.
