Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

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    Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

    Are you kidding me?  Of course he is, and first ballot...kooks (Joe Sullivan and Scott Thurston)on 10.0 saying that he was second to Pedro on the Sox, citing won/loss record which is the stupidest statistic in pitching...second to Pedro in overall Sox history, but in the years they pitched together they were equal...and I am a major Pedro lover...11-2 in playoff games with a ERA near 2...good grief

    Schilling came to Boston saying he was here to help deliver a world series title, and also stated that he guessed that he was now a Yankee hater...about the only better thing ever said in recent Sox history was Pedro saying that if we could wake Babe Ruth up he'd drill him in the butt...Schilling delivered

     
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    Schilling is the man.  Hall of Famer. 

     
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    Yes, but he is not a first rounder.

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

    I believe he'll make it in just not on the 1st ballot.

     
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    with some of those idiot writers doing some of the voting, he wont get in on ballot 1, Although he should. I never understood why you dont vote a guy in the 1st time. Sounds like some sort of power trip some of these writers are on...

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

    In response to southpaw777's comment:
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    with some of those idiot writers doing some of the voting, he wont get in on ballot 1, Although he should. I never understood why you dont vote a guy in the 1st time. Sounds like some sort of power trip some of these writers are on...

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    yeah i dont get it.. you won't vote someone in the first time but you will the next time their name comes up?

    power trip indeed

     

    i really don't know much about the HOF voting process, how many people get to vote?

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

    he'll get in, but not first ballot, and I think that's fair, stats do count, and his stats outside of the postseason are not as amazing as some. But second or third year he will be in. 

     
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    Definitely not a HOFer if the HOF still had any credibility.  But it doesn't...everybody wants their hometown guys in..teams now have promotion processes for it.  Rice?  Absurd.  Morris?  No way, but might make it this year.  Schilling?  Come on, he did not have enough great seasons to even be close.

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

    In response to pinstripezac's comment:
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    I suppose you can say it's all about being on a power trip

    but I'm thinking some of it is about saving that honor for the true elite

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    First Ballot Inductees

    In Chronological Order

    Name Year Inducted

    Ty Cobb 1936

    Walter Johnson 1936

    Christy Mathewson 1936

    Babe Ruth 1936

    Honus Wagner1936

    Bob Feller

    1962

    Jackie Robinson

    1962

    Ted Williams

    1966

    Stan Musial

    1969

    Sandy Koufax

    1972

    Warren Spahn

    1973

    Mickey Mantle

    1974

    Ernie Banks

    1977

    Willie Mays

    1979

    Al Kaline

    1980

    Bob Gibson

    1981

    Hank Aaron (bio)

    1982

    Frank Robinson

    1982

    Brooks Robinson

    1983

    Lou Brock

    1985

    Willie McCovey

    1986

    Willie Stargell

    1988

    Johnny Bench

    1989

    Carl Yastrzemski

    1989

    Joe Morgan

    1990

    Jim Palmer

    1990

    Rod Carew

    1991

    Tom Seaver

    1992

    Reggie Jackson

    1993

    Steve Carlton

    1994

    Mike Schmidt

    1995

    George Brett

    1999

    Nolan Ryan

    1999

    Robin Yount

    1999

    Kirby Puckett

    2001

    Dave Winfield

    2001

    Ozzie Smith

    2002

    Eddie Murray

    2003

    Dennis Eckersley

    2004

    Paul Molitor

    2004

    Wade Boggs

    2005

    Tony Gwynn

    2007

    Cal Ripken, Jr.

    2007

    Rickey Henderson

    2009

     

     

    During 1999 the most first ballot inductees (three) were enshrined into the National Baseball Hall of Fame since the first year they opened.

     

    Through today there are 65 living members (including executives, managers, umpires, players & Negro Leaguers) of the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

     

     

    Did you know that not one single player in the National Baseball Hall of Fame has even been selected with 100% of the possible ballots?

     

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofstat.shtml

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                "saving that honor for the true elite"

                    Spot on Zac.

                   Curt will someday enter the Hall.

                   Just won't be this year.

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

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    Are you kidding me?  Of course he is, and first ballot...kooks (Joe Sullivan and Scott Thurston)on 10.0 saying that he was second to Pedro on the Sox, citing won/loss record which is the stupidest statistic in pitching...second to Pedro in overall Sox history, but in the years they pitched together they were equal...and I am a major Pedro lover...11-2 in playoff games with a ERA near 2...good grief

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    I agree Pedro is the nbr 1 pitcher in Sox history.  Is Schilling even in the top 10?

    I'd say he's clearly behind Pedro Martinez, Luis Tiant, Joe Wood, Cy Young, Roger Clemens, Babe Ruth, Mel Parnell, Carl Mays, Dutch Leonard and even an aging Lefty Grove.  And that's just off the top of my head.

     

     
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    Clemens cheated and is not even man enough to admit it.  I forgive people who make a mistake only if they admit it and learn from it.  Clemens has done none of that.  

    At school, a student gets expelled for cheating.  But I guess in baseball, you have the chance to get into the Hall of Fame.  

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

    In response to pinstripezac's comment:
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    I suppose you can say it's all about being on a power trip

    but I'm thinking some of it is about saving that honor for the true elite

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    First Ballot Inductees

    In Chronological Order

    Name Year Inducted

    Ty Cobb 1936

    Walter Johnson 1936

    Christy Mathewson 1936

    Babe Ruth 1936

    Honus Wagner1936

    Bob Feller

    1962

    Jackie Robinson

    1962

    Ted Williams

    1966

    Stan Musial

    1969

    Sandy Koufax

    1972

    Warren Spahn

    1973

    Mickey Mantle

    1974

    Ernie Banks

    1977

    Willie Mays

    1979

    Al Kaline

    1980

    Bob Gibson

    1981

    Hank Aaron (bio)

    1982

    Frank Robinson

    1982

    Brooks Robinson

    1983

    Lou Brock

    1985

    Willie McCovey

    1986

    Willie Stargell

    1988

    Johnny Bench

    1989

    Carl Yastrzemski

    1989

    Joe Morgan

    1990

    Jim Palmer

    1990

    Rod Carew

    1991

    Tom Seaver

    1992

    Reggie Jackson

    1993

    Steve Carlton

    1994

    Mike Schmidt

    1995

    George Brett

    1999

    Nolan Ryan

    1999

    Robin Yount

    1999

    Kirby Puckett

    2001

    Dave Winfield

    2001

    Ozzie Smith

    2002

    Eddie Murray

    2003

    Dennis Eckersley

    2004

    Paul Molitor

    2004

    Wade Boggs

    2005

    Tony Gwynn

    2007

    Cal Ripken, Jr.

    2007

    Rickey Henderson

    2009

     

     

    During 1999 the most first ballot inductees (three) were enshrined into the National Baseball Hall of Fame since the first year they opened.

     

    Through today there are 65 living members (including executives, managers, umpires, players & Negro Leaguers) of the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

     

     

    Did you know that not one single player in the National Baseball Hall of Fame has even been selected with 100% of the possible ballots?

     

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofstat.shtml

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     Guess I agree with Zac...not a first time ballot guy...the kooks from 10.0 though both stated that Schilling was not even a Hall of Famer...

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

    he is in

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

       Great big game pitcher. Even before coming to Boston.  Very instrumental in ending the " curse."  First ballot Hall of Famer. Should be highly respected by all Sox fans.  I think we know why some don't like him.  

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

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    Great big game pitcher. Even before coming to Boston.  Very instumental in ending the " curse."  First ballot Hall of Famer. Should be highly respected by all Sox fans.  I think we know why some don't like him.  

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    Sad but true, gale. Rice had to wait until he was last year eligible, because the press didn't like him. Personalities should be left out of it and based solely on professional performance.

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

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    Great big game pitcher.  TRUE. Even before coming to Boston. TRUE. Very instumental in ending the " curse." TRUE. First ballot Hall of Famer.  RIDICULOUS*.  Should be highly respected by all Sox fans.  TRUE AND HE IS. I think we know why some don't like him.  BECAUSE HE'S A LOUDMOUTH JERK?  I DON'T THINK THAT AFFECTS PEOPLE'S VIEW OF HIS BASEBALL TALENT.


    * What makes you think he's a HOFer at all, no less first ballot? 

     
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    Definitely not a HOFer if the HOF still had any credibility.  But it doesn't...everybody wants their hometown guys in..teams now have promotion processes for it.  Rice?  Absurd.  Morris?  No way, but might make it this year.  Schilling?  Come on, he did not have enough great seasons to even be close.

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    How many great seasons do you need?  He had 4 top-4 CY finishes.

    Plus, people are basing his admissions on the post-season.  If it were only regular season stats, I would agree with you-a star, but not a HOF.

    But with 11-2 and a 2.23 ERA, and 3 WS rings, he is arguably the best post-season pitcher in history.  That has to count for something.

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

    Not this year as there are too many first year guys. The only way he does is if the writers boycott Sosa, Bonds and Clemens. Even then there a bunch more that he has too deal with. Biggie, Bagwell, etc..

    Look Ted was not a unanimous choice because one writer disliked him so nothing is guaranteed.

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

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    Are you kidding me?  Of course he is, and first ballot...kooks (Joe Sullivan and Scott Thurston)on 10.0 saying that he was second to Pedro on the Sox, citing won/loss record which is the stupidest statistic in pitching...second to Pedro in overall Sox history, but in the years they pitched together they were equal...and I am a major Pedro lover...11-2 in playoff games with a ERA near 2...good grief

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    I agree Pedro is the nbr 1 pitcher in Sox history.  Is Schilling even in the top 10?

    I'd say he's clearly behind Pedro Martinez, Luis Tiant, Joe Wood, Cy Young, Roger Clemens, Babe Ruth, Mel Parnell, Carl Mays, Dutch Leonard and even an aging Lefty Grove.  And that's just off the top of my head.

     

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    I think guys like Schill and Pedro et al, who pitched so great during the steroid era, should be considered because they were at a big disadvantage because of this...And still had great success...

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

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    Definitely not a HOFer if the HOF still had any credibility.  But it doesn't...everybody wants their hometown guys in..teams now have promotion processes for it.  Rice?  Absurd.  Morris?  No way, but might make it this year.  Schilling?  Come on, he did not have enough great seasons to even be close.

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    How many great seasons do you need?  He had 4 top-4 CY finishes.

    Plus, people are basing his admissions on the post-season.  If it were only regular season stats, I would agree with you-a star, but not a HOF.

    But with 11-2 and a 2.23 ERA, and 3 WS rings, he is arguably the best post-season pitcher in history.  That has to count for something.

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    I think it does count for something, and with that in mind I'll amend my view of his candidicy to "close, but not quite".  He's borderline, as with Morris, Blyleven, Sutton and others in or out.  I think they, and Rice, and others should all be out...but the HOF is so watered down with these types of guys I don't really care much anyway.

    But first ballot?  That's completely ridiculous.

     
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    Re: Curt Schilling and the Hall of Fame...

    In response to pinstripezac's comment:
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    Did you know that not one single player in the National Baseball Hall of Fame has even been selected with 100% of the possible ballots?

     

    http://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofstat.shtml

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    I think this is ridiculous.  Mainly because there are some voters who refuse to vote for anyone in their first year of eligibility. 

    Also surprised Joe D. didn't get in on first ballot.  For that matter, no one did from 1936 to 1962.

     
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