Re: David Ortiz calls Arod plunking wrong
posted at 8/23/2013 10:38 PM EDT
In response to S5's comment:
I'm guessing the hitters were saying, "Oh, great, wonder if I'm going to be the retaliation." I understand what you're saying, S5, and A-Rod is most definitely a jerk (I tried another word, but censors wouldn't allow). But he had done nothing specifically to us. First time I recall a guy getting hit who didn't do something specifically to the opponent.
In response to LloydDobler's comment:
In response to S5's comment:
I don't know what the dugout was thinking at the moment but it was pretty evident what the fans were thinking. IIRC it was about 35,000 of them standing, cheering, and applauding.
In retrospect I agree that it was a stupid thing to do, but at the same time I'm glad he did it. I'm glad that someone had the ka's to make a statement. Arod is a disgrace to himself and a disgrace to baseball and that was the message that was clearly sent to him by a person who respects the game. I just hope it doesn't cost us a position in the playoffs.
Players have been intentionally hit for years to make a statement. This was no different. If Dempster wanted to do real harm he'd have thrown higher - but he didn't. It was a clean, intentional hit - if there is such a thing.
This whole thing has been completely been overblown because it's ARod and because it's the Yankees - exactly what ARod and the Yankees want. Attention.
I know it's a part of baseball, but I've always found it to be gutless, especially in the American League. Seems to me the best way to say 'F--- you' to A-Fraud would be blowing three pitches right by him and making him look like an idiot. Of course, Dempster couldn't do that.
I have this feeling that you and I are not going to agree on this.
To say that he's done nothing specifically against the Sox may or may not be true. That HR he hit, for example, was hit with a steroid enhanced body, as was everything else he did for the past ?? years.
These guys who have "used" have made a mockery of the game and of the players they play against, and Dempster sent ARod a clear message that for at least one player (Dempster) this is now not "business as usual".
To editorialize a bit (please forgive me), I fear that we've become too much a nation of "If it doesn't bother ME it's ok". What's happened to right and wrong? What's happened to standing by one another? When we see something happening that we believe is patently WRONG don't we have an obligation to at least say something?? Or make a statement of some kind? The last time I was in NYC I saw posters in the subways saying, "If you see something, say something". My immediate thought was to ask WHY a person has to be encouraged to do that.
:::climbing down off the soapbox now::
Ryan Dempster saw something that he (and nearly everyone) believed was patently wrong and he made a statement. He made that statement in the way that's been accepted in baseball since baseball was invented, and I applaud him for it. Now he has to pay a penatly for it and that's fine with me, and I think probably it is with him too.
And BTW, I couldn't BELIEVE he didn't get ejected on the spot!
Very well said S5.
When I first say the sequence of pitches I thought dempster only aimed at arod twice, some say three times some say four. I looked at it again on youtube and I still think dempster aimed at arod twice.
This is how I think it went. Dempster tried to hit arod and missed. Pitched him inside twice but not aiming at him. With 3 balls dempster thought, what the heck, I might as well hit him because he's going to walk anyway LOL! Relax all, just having some fun.
I think we may all be missing how funny this is. If dempster was indeed aiming at arod with all four pitches then that makes dempster the worst pitcher in baseball! If he can't hit a target as big as arod how the heck is he going to hit the catcher's mitt.