Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 9:35 PM EDT
- MadMc44
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Seven walks--no wonder John Henry and Tom Werner were meeting with Theo in the fifth inning.
Lackey has gone on the DL, Dice K. has hopefully thrown his last pitch with the Sox and JD needs to be the fourth or fifth outfielder with Cam taking his place for a while.
Crawford needs to be moved up to at least Drew's spot in the order. Perfect example--runners on first and third with Tek batting. Francona fearful that CC might get thrown out stealing requiring Tek to lead off the next inning. Having CC in that position removes 2/3 of his offensive effectiveness.
The O's will wind up with 7 to 9 stolen bases tonight--if Vlad takes off and makes it bring on Fisk.
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 9:37 PM EDT
- andrewmitch
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Granted it was a bad game by Dice K but.....they still couldn't get any runs and Dice K is the least of their problems right now as he has pitched some really good games.......
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 9:39 PM EDT
I'm hoping we've seen Dice-K throw his last pitch in a Sox fan. At what point do they realize that he and Lackey are single handedly destroying the morale of this team. They prevent the Sox from going on any hot streaks. They are terrible. I honestly think the end is near for Dice-K though. They will pay 3/4 of his salary to ship him out if they have to. They have better options in AAA right now.
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 9:41 PM EDT
- andrewmitch
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What better options do they have in AAA over Dice K?
They have better options in AAA over Lackey, yes...but not Dice K at this point in time.......
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 9:43 PM EDT
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Seven walks--no wonder John Henry and Tom Werner were meeting with Theo in the fifth inning. Lackey has gone on the DL, Dice K. has hopefully thrown his last pitch with the Sox and JD needs to be the fourth or fifth outfielder with Cam taking his place for a while. Crawford needs to be moved up to at least Drew's spot in the order. Perfect example--runners on first and third with Tek batting. Francona fearful that CC might get thrown out stealing requiring Tek to lead off the next inning. Having CC in that position removes 2/3 of his offensive effectiveness. The O's will wind up with 7 to 9 stolen bases tonight--if Vlad takes off and makes it bring on Fisk.
Posted by MadMc44
The front office should constant INS and request ICE send him back to Japan for having an expired visa. There's talk of making a sequel to Godzilla and DiceK could be one of the extras running thru the streets of Toyko yelling, "Who will save us?"
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 9:45 PM EDT
- georom4
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dice doesnt make that much a yr...him and lackey are great 4-5 starters...no need to replace them with nobodies just to shake things up
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 9:49 PM EDT
- andrewmitch
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Geo - how can a guy w/ an ERA over 8 and climbing be considered a major league starter? He can not. If you want to throw $ in there then yeah, Lackey earns 2x as much as Dice K.........
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 9:54 PM EDT
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Geo - how can a guy w/ an ERA over 8 and climbing be considered a major league starter? He can not. If you want to throw $ in there then yeah, Lackey earns 2x as much as Dice K.........
Posted by andrewmitch
ERA over 8!!! I'm horrified. Sox could grab a couple of pitchers from the University of South Carolina who could do better than that. Any pitcher who with an ERA of 8 does not belong on a baseball field, ever!
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 10:13 PM EDT
- soxdawg08
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Isn't Dice-K retiring after the season ?
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 10:40 PM EDT
- kt888
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Dice-K got drilled in the chest at the beginning of the game and his results could very well be the result of that. Obviously he was still unsettled in the first. With any luck on defense (Youk turning the DP, Lowrie had a chance on a grounder toward the middle). His velocity was down tonight as well - not sure if that had anything to do with him getting hit. I think he should get the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 10:43 PM EDT
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Dice-K got drilled in the chest at the beginning of the game and his results could very well be the result of that. Obviously he was still unsettled in the first. With any luck on defense (Youk turning the DP, Lowrie had a chance on a grounder toward the middle). His velocity was down tonight as well - not sure if that had anything to do with him getting hit. I think he should get the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Posted by kt888
Not drilled hard enough.
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 11:12 PM EDT
- CTJake14
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Aceves is a better option.
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/16/2011 11:24 PM EDT
I don't like Aceves. Not yet, anyway. Not a serious MLB pitcher.
Matsuzaka was probably off because of the two extra days rest.
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posted at 5/16/2011 11:42 PM EDT
- marstan
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ACEVES SEEMS TO HAVE ISSUES WITH VARITEK, BUT AT LEAST , HE IS AROUND THE PLATE AND CAN THROW HEAT.
HE IS NOT OUT OF CONTROL LIKE DICE K. DICE'S' ACT IS
GETTING A BIT OLD NOW. HE IS LIKE WAKE...HE TAKES THE
TEAM OUT OF THE BALL GAME BY THE 4TH OR 5TH INNING.
TONITE WE WERE DARN LUCKY, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO
TRY TO WIN "MIRACLE GAMES" EVERY NITE. I TRUST ACEVES
MORE THAN DICE AT THIS POINT. AS MUCH AS I HATE TO
SAY IT, I THINK DICE IS GOING TO BE HISTORY WITH THIS
TEAM. WE MIGHT HAVE TO GO INTO THE MARKET AND BUY
A 4TH STARTER.
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/17/2011 12:00 AM EDT
- fivekatz
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A lot of fantasy baseball takes here. You don't just dump players at the drop of a hat.
I say this only slightly tongue in cheek when I say that if the Trio was talking business with Epstein they were probably saying, "Can you explain the Carl Crawford signing to me again?"
CC was not stealing because the RS needed base runners and like the rest of his game his CS% has been up in limited attempts and it was a slow track.
Just my takes, now the carry on trying to trade or DFA Dice K, Jenks, Lackey, Crawford, Salty, Tek, Wake, Drew and perhaps firing Francona.
kt888, congratulations on a reasoned take in a crazy thread...
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/17/2011 12:32 AM EDT
Your number five starter was just put on the DL and you want to drop your number four starter a few hours later? Have fun building the rest of your roster.
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/17/2011 12:40 AM EDT
- jmmyslinski
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It's ridiculous how much time is spent complaining about this guy. He goes 2 games without allowing a run, and all is quiet. A few weeks later he gets knocked around, and everyone is screaming for his head.
It's simple, the guy has enormous talent, but he's a flakey starter. You are definately rolling the "Dice" when he's on the mound. Any team with patient hitters will have more success against him, and if the ump is tight, forget it. He tries to nibble the edges, and walks are a major problem. I just hope he hasn't lost his ability to throw past hitters.
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/17/2011 2:39 AM EDT
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Your number five starter was just put on the DL and you want to drop your number four starter a few hours later? Have fun building the rest of your roster.
Posted by StatsFromLouie
You're making more sense than many of these clowns. Fortunately, Red Sox management don't think and act like impetuous fans.
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/17/2011 2:48 AM EDT
And you continue to show you don't know what you are talking about, Mac.
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posted at 5/17/2011 7:06 AM EDT
- harness
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Dice took a hell of a good blow to the heart/lung area.
Anybody who knows how that feels should realize it's hard to shake off.
It makes ya feel incredibly vulnerable.
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posted at 5/17/2011 7:33 AM EDT
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Dice-K's days need to come to an end in Boston. For both him and the team. And he could net us a decent return from a national league team. We already have an unknown in Lackey and he is signed for a few more years. Can't have 2 of these types of pitchers. As awesome as it was to win the comeback last night the news of Wake taking Lackey's spot in the rotation and Dice possibly going on the DL is very troubling. This teams achilles heal is its starting pitching depth.
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posted at 5/17/2011 7:33 AM EDT
- southpaw777
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Your number five starter was just put on the DL and you want to drop your number four starter a few hours later? Have fun building the rest of your roster.
Posted by StatsFromLouie
Amongst the irrational posts here, a moment of clarity from Louie..Thank You.
Re: Dice has played his last hand--management make some tough choices.
posted at 5/17/2011 8:17 AM EDT
- aussiewill
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Dice K is okay , he will give them some quality starts, who knows when the weather gets hot he may also. He had a great 2008 18-3 that shows he can do it, or at least has done it. His control has always been an issue, but he doesn't give in and throw it down the middle, except that one game last month. he also had back to back one hit performances, already . So he still can get hitters out.
He is tedious, like watching paint dry, or watching grass grow, but hey there are worse options out there. John Lackey for one. Now there is a waste of time, lackey, he needs to pitch in the Grand Canyon, they did the right thing today by putting Slackey on the DL, maybe they can get him straightened out, frankly I doubt it. 89 MPH fastballs with no movement , DO NOT CUT IT in MLB. That is where Dice and Lackey differ, Dice has movement and when his location is there he can get people out. Hope he does, and I hope Lackey never comes back.
