DICE K Throws Bullpen

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    DICE K Throws Bullpen

    The prevailing story has been that Dice K will be back around the All Star break. I am not a Doctor but I would think that someone who is throwing a BP session and is beginning Long Toss in January would have a great shot of coming back earlier than that, barring any setbacks of course. This could make the Sox even more conservative in trying to get another starter.

    http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7524263/daisuke-matsuzaka-throws-first-bullpen-surgery-report-says
     
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    Thanks for the link Tom.  Yeah, bullpen?  Long toss?  Certainly seems further along in recovery than AS break predictions would imply.  And certainly the original optimistic timetable of an early June return seems possible.  This is exciting.  I am feeling good about Dice if he gets on the hill this year.  

    Contract year + Japanese Manager = Monster Dice
     
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    Please help me.  Is Dice K coming back a good thing?
     
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    Posted by accland

    I am with Space on this.....I think Francona and Farrell really mismanaged Dice and think that Valentines experience with Japanese players could make a huge difference with Dice....Dice is judged by that huge posting fee but for his Salary he was a 10mm year pitcher and his first two years with the Sox even with his frustrating nibbling...he was well worth that.....and anyone who has seen him the last two years saw the drop in velocity on his fastball, which could be directly realted to the arm injury. Compared to what else we have signed....I look forward to him getting a shot to see what he has.
     
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    The prevailing story has been that Dice K will be back around the All Star break. I am not a Doctor but I would think that someone who is throwing a BP session and is beginning Long Toss in January would have a great shot of coming back earlier than that, barring any setbacks of course. This could make the Sox even more conservative in trying to get another starter. http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7524263/daisuke-matsuzaka-throws-first-bullpen-surgery-report-says
    Posted by tomnev


    that Dice K will be back around the All Star break.

    where R U getting this from

    and where did spaceman get early june from ?

    sounds  early to me

    I'm thinking more like





    Daisuke Matsuzaka threw his first bullpen session Monday since undergoing Tommy John surgery.

    "Today is like a warm-up," Matsuzaka said after the short mound workout. "I think I'll throw harder next week." The 31-year-old right-hander underwent the Tommy John reconstructive procedure in June and is unlikely to return to major league action until late in the 2012 season. He's entering the final year of his contract with the Red Sox.
     
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    In Response to DICE K Throws Bullpen : that Dice K will be back around the All Star break. where R U getting this from and where did spaceman get early june from ? sounds  early to me I'm thinking more like Daisuke Matsuzaka threw his first bullpen session Monday since undergoing Tommy John surgery. "Today is like a warm-up," Matsuzaka said after the short mound workout. "I think I'll throw harder next week." The 31-year-old right-hander underwent the Tommy John reconstructive procedure in June and is unlikely to return to major league action until late in the 2012 season. He's entering the final year of his contract with the Red Sox. Source: Mainichi Daily News
    Posted by pinstripezac

    Dice K had Surgery in Early June 2011. It has been common(Volquez, Strasburg) for players to make their first ML start around 1 Calendar year after the Surgery....though of course it can take longer.....why would you think it would be late 2012?
     
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    then again


    Same surgery, faster recovery

    That rehab time after Tommy John surgery is becoming one of the key points in the recovery. While most still quote the 12-18 month time frame after reconstruction, the fact is that using modern techniques and rehab has the real recovery period down to 9-12 months.

    Dr. Tim Kremchek, the team physician for the Cincinnati Reds and one of the leading practitioners of Tommy John surgery, agrees: "Much like ACL reconstruction in football, where we're seeing some kids back on the field in four to five months, we're seeing the same sort of thing with elbows. With the newer, more holistic rehab processes, I'm seeing most players ready in a year, maybe a little less. They're focused on the core, on mobilizing the arm, on proprioception, and that has them back and ready to go." While Dr. Kremchek uses a version of the surgery that is slightly modified from the original Jobe techniques, he believes it's how we look at the rehab process that has kept the perceptions about the recovery time around. "A guy hurts his arm and has the surgery, then he vanishes. We don't see him in the media again until he's throwing and getting ready to do a rehab assignment. We're seeing him every day in rehab, but with a player like Steven Strasburg, where every move is watched, it might look like throwing like he is at six months is unusual. It's not."

    Dr. Kremchek saw this last season with Reds pitcher Edinson Volquez. Volquez returned to the mound at 10 months after the surgery and was back playing for the Reds -- in the heart of a pennant race -- just 11 months after his surgery. "It wasn't rushing him, but where the team is at matters," said Dr. Kremchek. If the Reds hadn't been in the lead at the All-Star break, we would have looked at the situation differently. I'm sure with Strasburg, it will be the same thing, magnified by the media."



    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/will_carroll/03/09/tommy-john-surgery/index.html#ixzz1l4PC7P00

     
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    In Response to DICE K Throws Bullpen : that Dice K will be back around the All Star break. where R U getting this from and where did spaceman get early june from ? sounds  early to me I'm thinking more like Daisuke Matsuzaka threw his first bullpen session Monday since undergoing Tommy John surgery. "Today is like a warm-up," Matsuzaka said after the short mound workout. "I think I'll throw harder next week." The 31-year-old right-hander underwent the Tommy John reconstructive procedure in June and is unlikely to return to major league action until late in the 2012 season. He's entering the final year of his contract with the Red Sox. Source: Mainichi Daily News
    Posted by pinstripezac


    Zac - The June return was an optimistic ("as early as") timetable coming from the medical staff right after the surgery.  It sounded very early to me too.  Still does.  But, throwing bullpen sessions and long-tossing also seems very early, so maybe that is, in fact, the timetable he is on.  From what I recall, the medical squad rep was basing that return date on the fact that the surgery went extremely well.  So, maybe it did. 
     
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    In Response to Re: DICE K Throws Bullpen:
    In Response to Re: DICE K Throws Bullpen : Dice K had Surgery in Early June 2011. It has been common(Volquez, Strasburg) for players to make their first ML start around 1 Calendar year after the Surgery....though of course it can take longer.....why would you think it would be late 2012?
    Posted by tomnev


    It has been common(Volquez, Strasburg)

    yeah tom I just saw / posted that

    I think the writer meant 2011

    could catch on your part I didn't even notice

    I just meant later in the season


    EDIT

    never mind all that   tom

    yeah I'm used to hearing 1 -1/2 ys so late 2012 makes sense

    LOL  I'm still not use to which yr this is
     
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    In Response to Re: DICE K Throws Bullpen : Zac - The June return was an optimistic ("as early as") timetable coming from the medical staff right after the surgery.  It sounded very early to me too.  Still does.  But, throwing bullpen sessions and long-tossing also seems very early, so maybe that is, in fact, the timetable he is on.  From what I recall, the medical squad rep was basing that return date on the fact that the surgery went extremely well.  So, maybe it did. 
    Posted by SpacemanEephus


    12 months ?

    it's amazing isn't it space

    so many complain about

    what roids have done to the record books  & HOF voting

    tommy john is just as  big of an advantage over the 

    other  generations of BB

    point being

    let them in and it's our responsibility to

    tell our grand kids about the different era's of the game
     
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    Golf Clap.
     
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    With the exception of the times when Daisuke tried to nibble at the strike zone to entice a swing I always appreciated him.

    I have always held to the thought that he was somehow part of poor communication by both John Farrell and Terry Francona; who both seem to have done a poor job of letting him know their expectations and plans.

    I welcome him back and am pretty confident he will both regain his velocity and competitive drive making him as good of an option as "the big three."

     
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    Posted by accland

    Here we go again.

    Do you guys know what most 5th starters look like in MLB? (Look at most 4 starters and many #3's as well.) I heard the same about the high expectations for a 6th starter (Wake) all last year.

    Go do the research. 

    How many #5 starters have a 62% winning percentage and a carerr 4.25 ERA?

     
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    Be great to get Dice back in June; think he'll do even better with V. at the helm.
     
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    It's definitely going to be interesting to see what Bobby can do with him. We've all seen whhat he's capable of,  he's just been amazingly inconsistant. If Bobby can bring out his best he'd be the best #4 in the league.
     
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    Agree seems like he could easily be back by June 1 if starting throwing from mound already which is great news for RS. But have to believe team and Dice will air on side of caution, Dice last year of contract plus IP will be concern for RS and want him for remainder of season. IMO opinion this will be better than any trade time deal that RS could make. His return could also make RS bullpen much stronger if RS move Bard back to pen after say 130-50 ip. Plus think having Bob V will help Dice to be better pitcher, not a 2 pitch pitcher that he basically became w/ RS. If Bob V can do this w/ Dice he will be work anything RS are paying him.
     
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    DiceK to the rescue early August - I root for him always!
     
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    It could work out nicely as bard and or Aceves will probably need some rest or down time as they transition to the rotation. I don't see either of them starting 30 games and getting 190+ IP.
     
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    m
     
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    I doubt we see him this year. 
     
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    I doubt we see him this year. 
    Posted by jackbu


    None of us really have any inside information or a crystal ball. Most Red Sox fans hope that he comes back and performs well.
     
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    If he's healthy and mentally focused, he's the kind of guy who's capable of going 20 or more innings without runs allowed.  Let's hope he comes back strong and back to his 2008-09 forms. 
     
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    obviously utica and that is my opinion from watching his starts and comments which Remy made about dice.  I don't think dice wants back with the sox and he gets paid no matter what.

    I know your style of blogging is to just sit back and pick apart other people's comments.  Try making a prediction once in a while, no one is going to make fun of you.
     
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