Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

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    Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Please help settle an argument that has been going on. Even with all of Ellsbury's heroics and wonderful season, if you were the Sox GM and Seattle called and offered you Felix Hernadez for Ellsbury and a prospect would you do it?
    Drew, Conyngham, Penn.
    Yes. Yes. Yes.

     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Yes, not anything against Ellsbury, but an elite starting pitcher is always more important than a centerfielder.

    Of course, then I'd regret my family naming one of our new puppies Jacoby Tongue out
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Hernandez is established and a former Cy Young award winner (2010).  I'm not sure the Mariners would take Jake and a player to be named later.  I think Ellsbury can keep doing this, but also think it's still just one great season until he repeats. 
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    very tough decision glad I'm not the guy who would have to make that decision. An every day player with a lot of talent now blooming to get an every 5th game pitcher who will win 15+ GAMES.  I think I'd actually want them to give me a PTBNL and not the other way.
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    I would but only because I already have Crawford. Done deal.
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Yes, and a free membership to API and hgh.
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Yes. In  heartbeat.

    Any time you can trade a position player for a front-line pitcher. The PTBNL could be a pitching prospect.

    But would Seattle make the deal?  Why would they?

    Etc.
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Of course

    The only players you don't pair Ells with for Felix are Beck, Lester, Buch, Youk, AGon and Pedroia.
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Of course I'd trade Ellsbury in that deal, instantly.  But it would never be offered.

    But if one wants to make absurd trade proposals everybody can go.  Would I trade Pedroia for Bartolo Colon?  Of course not.  Pedroia for Cano, Granderson and two major prospects? Of course.  That proves nothing other than anybody can make absurd trade proposals?
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Would Seattle trade Franklin Gutierrez and a prospect for Adrian Gonzalez?

    I would think so.

    Since the start of the 2009 season, Gutierrez has been valued at 8.8 WAR* while Ellsbury, who is only seven months younger than Gutierrez, has been valued at 8.4 WAR. Of course, their trends are headed in opposite directions.

    Two years ago the Mariners reportedly turned down a better Boston offer for Felix Hernandez when the righthander remained under his team's control for only one year and two months:

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2009591133_mariners_turned_down_three-way.html

    The value of Hernandez has only increased since he won a Cy Young Award and signed a contract extension through 2014. The Mariners would certainly get older in the trade discussed in the Cafardo chat because Ellsbury is over two years older than Felix Hernandez (and remains under his team's control only through the 2013 season).

    * Wins Above Replacement as reported at FanGraphs
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    If you really, really, really, want Hernandez:
    Ells, Youk, Buch  in addition a choice of one other minor leaguer other than Middlebrooks or Rinaudo.

    How much do you want him????
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    In Response to Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.:
    [QUOTE]By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff Please help settle an argument that has been going on. Even with all of Ellsbury's heroics and wonderful season, if you were the Sox GM and Seattle called and offered you Felix Hernadez for Ellsbury and a prospect would you do it? Drew, Conyngham, Penn. Yes. Yes. Yes.
    Posted by Mr.Bump[/QUOTE]

    Not unless Kalish had established himself as a solid major league CF.  The Mariners would probably never offer their best SP for a CF anyway, but it's an interesting thought.
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.:
    [QUOTE]Yes, not anything against Ellsbury, but an elite starting pitcher is always more important than a centerfielder. Of course, then I'd regret my family naming one of our new puppies Jacoby
    Posted by NUSoxFan[/QUOTE]

    i'd rather an elite everyday player. Els is making his mark now and won't need any throw in player. Would have to be King Felix and prospect for Els.
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Ells is my fav player but King Felix might be the only player i would trade him for...
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Hard to not want Felix in a Sox jersey. He is the one pitcher other than Cliff Lee that I would take in a Tennessee milisecond
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Hernandez ain't going any where...if he were Ells would be a guy they'd love Hill55, Guiterez is a great defender but he'd struggle if they let him put the ball on a tee. Ell's profiles a the perfect fit for Safeco...the problem as I see it is that we'd also have to include our 3 best prospects and maybe even Buccholz...
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.:
    [QUOTE]Of course I'd trade Ellsbury in that deal, instantly.  But it would never be offered. But if one wants to make absurd trade proposals everybody can go.  Would I trade Pedroia for Bartolo Colon?  Of course not.  Pedroia for Cano, Granderson and two major prospects? Of course.  That proves nothing other than anybody can make absurd trade proposals?
    Posted by SonicsMonksLyresVicars[/QUOTE]
     
    how is that an absurd trade proposal? 

    An allstar centerfield with plus power for his position and insane speed. How many players in the league can steal 60-70 bases a year, hit .300 and hit 25 homers? And considering that ichiro is probably pretty close to retirement seattle could used a franchise outfielder. I would do the deal if i am theo only because we have crawford as another poster mentioned. Granted we would have to find someone to replace ells but that can be done. Maybe even grady sizemore assuming he hits free agency which he likely will. 
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Only and ONLY if I was 95% certain that I couldn't retain Ellsbury........
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    All of you people that are jumping on this deal ask yourselves this would you trade Adrian Gonzalez for King Felix and then go look at Ells line and Gonzos line then get back to me!!!!!!!!

    All things equal IF I can keep Ells here awhile I WOULD!!!!
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    insider, Sox had Adrian Beltre, Jason Bay, Victor Martinez, and didn't want any of them. No one it seems is irreplaceable on Sox. That's why the 142 million spent on CC will haunt us all. 
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    Wont haunt me!!!!!! I could care less how much they pay CC !!!!!!!!!! There is no hard cap in baseball and no shortage of money in the Red Sox wallet !!!!!! As far as Beltre they just wanted Gonzalez more and in my opinion Victor and Bay are nowhere near the talent of ELLS!!!!!!!
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    YES!!! ELLS IS DOING GREAT THIS YEAR, HIS CONTRACT YEAR, NOT SURE IF HE EVER PRODUCE LIKE THIS AGAIN. IF IT IS TRUE IT WOULD BE AWESOME! WE CAN THEN SIGN BELTRAN FOR A COUPLE YEARS TO FILL CF. 

     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    That's a very very tough call. May depend on who the prospect is.
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    ells is not in a contract year lol. He has like 3 arb years left. But thanks anyways. I think the guy you are referring to is jose reyes.
     
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    Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.

    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Cafardo? He would trade Ellsbury and a prospect for Felix Hernadez.:
    [QUOTE]ells is not in a contract year lol. He has like 3 arb years left. But thanks anyways. I think the guy you are referring to is jose reyes.
    Posted by redsoxpride34[/QUOTE]
    Jacoby Ellsbury remains under his team's control for another two years (through 2013) while Felix Hernandez remains under his team's control for another three years (through 2014).
     

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