Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

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    posted at 4/6/2012 12:28 PM EDT

    Seems like buster olney agrees with him.
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 12:36 PM EDT

    His columns are a little tough to read, I don't listen to his afternoon show because felger is a clown.  I do like his show fron 6-7. 
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 12:51 PM EDT

    Instead of crucifying the bullpen , all these media types should understand that it's a team game.

    The offense was pathetic. The starting pitching was excellent.

    Last year's bullpen featured some familiar names, with poor results.

    Instead of beating these guys over one loss, look at the real problems. Management did little to improve the on field product, the offense is depending heavily on Ortiz and Youkilis ( two aging players) returning to form. The offense is also depending on Ellsbury to match a career year.

    These two things are long shots. Ortiz and Youk are on the downside of nice careers, Elsbury will never have another year like he had in 2011. The starting pitching is basically Lester and Buchholz and hope Beckett doesn't get hurt.

    ..and yes the bullpen is no prize. But the whole team is a major crapshoot just waiting to go wrong again.
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 1:02 PM EDT

       I couldn't agree with him more. I've been consistent on this subject, and have been advocating that this is the team's biggest weakness by far. A deep and reliable pen can erase many a managers mistake, and put pressure on opposing offenses to score early, because if down after 6 or 7 innings the games is over. IMO in this 'era' of pitching counts, 200 inning SP considered horses, you better have a mininum of 4 strong arms available, along with a lefty specialist.
     

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    posted at 4/6/2012 1:06 PM EDT

    Good bullpen pitchers arent expensive to acquire.  There is a very high supply.  Let's let things settle, and if it's still a problem by mid-May , we can address it then. 
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 2:19 PM EDT

    Mazz might be right, but sheesh, after one game -- really?

    Yesterday's game didn't tell us anything than we don't already know.

    1. Verlander's hard to beat.

    2. Lester can go pitch for pitch with anyone.

    3. Nobody's bullpen is going to do the job all the time. If the Sox have guys needing to adjust to new roles, what about Detroit. It was set up perfect for their closer and he couldn't hold a two-run lead.

    When I said in the spring, let's wait until the season starts before we start moaning and groaning about perceived weaknesses, I kind of meant, can we at least wait until we play a few games.

    Let's go through the rotation at least twice to give each starter a couple of starts and the bullpen guys a chance to get into a routine. I'm not crazy about the pen myself -- I would have moved Bard to closer going into spring -- but this instant analysis after one game is moronic. Mazz should know better than that.
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 2:41 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it":
    Instead of crucifying the bullpen , all these media types should understand that it's a team game. The offense was pathetic. The starting pitching was excellent. Last year's bullpen featured some familiar names, with poor results. Instead of beating these guys over one loss, look at the real problems. Management did little to improve the on field product, the offense is depending heavily on Ortiz and Youkilis ( two aging players) returning to form. The offense is also depending on Ellsbury to match a career year. These two things are long shots. Ortiz and Youk are on the downside of nice careers, Elsbury will never have another year like he had in 2011. The starting pitching is basically Lester and Buchholz and hope Beckett doesn't get hurt. ..and yes the bullpen is no prize. But the whole team is a major crapshoot just waiting to go wrong again.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD


    One of your best posts, Zill! Couldn't agree more. What we have is basically the same BP without Pap (Melancon for Wheeler) and only 3 proven starters.

    We are still weak at SS, RF, and C, and now have no LF (defensively).
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 2:49 PM EDT

    If this" Already, the relievers are eating away at the confidence and morale of this team." Is true then i am more worried about the team than i am about the pen. Idiotic statment by mazz
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 2:57 PM EDT

    +1 to fourrings.  Gotta love the unabashed hyperbole and occasional downright fabrications it takes to see papers in Boston.
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 3:17 PM EDT

          No one that saw Verlander pitch yesterday ought to say that our offense was pathetic. You can't hit the stuff he had. Maybe you saw Youk almost duck out of the way when he threw a curve for a strike in the 6th or 7th. The guy was unbelievable.
          Back end of the pen looks weak, not just because of yesterday. Signing Papelbon wasn't really a smart option at the money he got. But I agree with the posters who think that moving Bard to the rotation was a bad idea. Having him at the back end would help a lot.
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

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          No one that saw Verlander pitch yesterday ought to say that our offense was pathetic. You can't hit the stuff he had. Maybe you saw Youk almost duck out of the way when he threw a curve for a strike in the 6th or 7th. The guy was unbelievable.       Back end of the pen looks weak, not just because of yesterday. Signing Papelbon wasn't really a smart option at the money he got. But I agree with the posters who think that moving Bard to the rotation was a bad idea. Having him at the back end would help a lot.
    Posted by wherescreamingcomesfrom


    Really? The best offense in the AL (supposedly) can't muster but two hits (one weak) against Verlander? It's not like they didn't know what they were going to get. He pitched well but was by no means, lights out. We had opportunities to score, and he only K'd 7, so we did put the ball in play against him. Certainly not vintage Verlander. I believe we were 0 for 4 or 5 against him w/RISP.
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 4:13 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it":
    Instead of crucifying the bullpen , all these media types should understand that it's a team game. The offense was pathetic. The starting pitching was excellent. Last year's bullpen featured some familiar names, with poor results. Instead of beating these guys over one loss, look at the real problems. Management did little to improve the on field product, the offense is depending heavily on Ortiz and Youkilis ( two aging players) returning to form. The offense is also depending on Ellsbury to match a career year. These two things are long shots. Ortiz and Youk are on the downside of nice careers, Elsbury will never have another year like he had in 2011. The starting pitching is basically Lester and Buchholz and hope Beckett doesn't get hurt. ..and yes the bullpen is no prize. But the whole team is a major crapshoot just waiting to go wrong again.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD

    the godly-zilla has spoken and i tend to agree with this wizard of a lizard.

     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it":
    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it" : Really? The best offense in the AL (supposedly) can't muster but two hits (one weak) against Verlander? It's not like they didn't know what they were going to get. He pitched well but was by no means, lights out. We had opportunities to score, and he only K'd 7, so we did put the ball in play against him. Certainly not vintage Verlander. I believe we were 0 for 4 or 5 against him w/RISP.
    Posted by Alibiike


    Yea have to agree here...2 hits over 8 innings...definitely not a well pitched game by Verlander...Sox should have put 4 or 5 on the board with all those hits.
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

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    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it":
    In Response to Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it" : Really? The best offense in the AL (supposedly) can't muster but two hits (one weak) against Verlander? It's not like they didn't know what they were going to get. He pitched well but was by no means, lights out. We had opportunities to score, and he only K'd 7, so we did put the ball in play against him. Certainly not vintage Verlander. I believe we were 0 for 4 or 5 against him w/RISP.
    Posted by Alibiike


    Old baseball adage:  Good pitching beats good hitting.

    Knowing what you're going to get doesn't mean you're going to be able to hit it.  This reminds me of a time when I was watching a Schilling vs. the Yankees game with a friend of mine.  On a 2-2 count Schill threw the splitter to a left handed hitter who flailed weakly at it then went back to the dugout.  My friend's comment was that he and the hitter had two things in common:  They both knew what was coming and niether of them could hit it.  :-)) 
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 4:30 PM EDT

    it looks like MAZZ shot his full load about the bullpen after only one game.
    if the bullpen causes another loss, what's his next headline gonna be?
    "CUT THE HEADS OFF THE BULLPEN."
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 4:33 PM EDT

    The Globe has one good baseball writer--Cafardo. Massarotti and Shaughnessy are not only embarassments as writers but they should have their DNA checked to see if they are even human. I'm unconvinced.
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 5:05 PM EDT

    Well, if something smells like s_ _ _ after 1 day I'm kinda sure it will still smell like s _ _ _ after 120 days or how ever many you like to wait.  The Patriots defense sucked from game 1 through 19.  Sometime you are as bad as you look, early.

    That said the offense better get it's butt in gear quick and not leave too many games in the pen's hands.
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 5:22 PM EDT

    Time to think outside of the box/organization and see if a trade can happen.
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 5:37 PM EDT

    Mazz shot his bullets rather quickly on this one though it isn't a reach to say that the it doesn't look like the pieces have snapped together with this rebuild of the bullpen.

    Until they prove it, Melancon to Aceves is not Bard to Papelbon.

    Whether they can or can not put this bullpen together on the fly is yet to be seen but very few championship teams in this era get by with below average relief and 3 quality starters.


     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 5:40 PM EDT

       What is it, that I'm missing. The hole in the bull-pen is massive.  I read with disbelief the posters who oppose this idea. In this day of 6 inning starters, and relievers who go only an inning at a time, a championship calibre club needs at the very least 4 reliable pitchers, out of the pen + the ever popular LH specialist. The Sox as currently constituted fall far short.
     

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    Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"

    posted at 4/6/2012 5:41 PM EDT

    In response to "Re: Do you agree with Massarotti:"Red Sox bullpen just won't cut it"":
    Yes....Massarotti is right on the money. Bottom line...Sox ownership should have resigned Papelbon....obviously a reliable closer is crucial. Posted by bellhorn_
    No for that amount of money. If the sox had shown real interest, the bidding war would have driven up the price even more. Time will tell if pap earns his money, but the sox made the right move