DO YOU AGREE WITH TIM THOMAS AND THE CATHY FAMILY?

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    I can't conceive of God arguing that people have a right to be wrong.
     
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    We're the last free country on earth?.....really?....there may be a few countries that might argue that point. -------------------------------------------- Curt Schilling Deadbeat Fraud Fool  
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    Cool - you contact your "countries" and set up the debate.  I'll be there.



     
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    Although we are the only country with 'freedom fries'....maybe that's what the dope was talking about. -------------------------------------------- Curt Schilling Deadbeat Fraud Fool  
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    It's 2012.  If your calendar says 2002 - stop smoking pot.
     
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    Cathy and Thomas have a right to their opinion, they are breaking no laws.  Cathy serves those with same sex attraction disorder and also employs them.   Since when is it a crime to follow your religious beliefs?  Why do people hate Christians so much?  Why is it ok for those with same sex attraction disorder or those who agree with them to voice their opinion but those who don't agree with them are vilified? Christianity teaches that we are to love all God's children, we don't have to like them but we do have to love them and pray that they go to heaven. We don't have to agree with everything they do but we are not allowed to mistreat them or harm them. Cathy has every right to voice his opinion and follow his religion.  Since when is it a crime to believe that marriage is meant to be between one man and one woman?  How is that hateful, how is that evil? We live in a crazy world.  Mayors of certain cities have threatened to keep Chick- Fil-A out of their cities.  Why?  Because the man is breaking the law?  Maybe he is threatening others?  Perhaps he won't allow gays in his restaurant or worse yet he won't hire them? None of the above is true.  The man is simply stating his religious beliefs while not hurting anyone. This is a dangerous road we are going down as a nation.  Freedom of religion is one of the most important freedoms we have.  If we lose that we will all suffer the consequences in the end. " The outspoken MVP of the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals has inserted himself into the contentious debate surrounding Chick-fil-A's public stance against gay marriage . From Thomas' Facebook page: I stand with Chick-fil-A. Chick-fil-A is privately owned by the Cathy family. The company president, Dan Cathy, drew the wrath of gay rights advocates and supporters when he made recent statements that some have alleged are anti-gay. Cathy told Baptist Press that the company was unapologetically in favor of traditional marriage. “Guilty as charged,” he said. “We are very much supportive of the family – the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.” In a separate interview on the Ken Coleman Show — Cathy suggested that the nation could face God’s wrath over the redefinition of marriage. “I think we are inviting God’s judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at him and say, ‘We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage,’” Cathy said. “I pray God’s mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we would have the audacity to try to redefine what marriage is all about.”
    Posted by 67redsox


    Probably because they refer to homosexuals as having "same sex attraction disorder."

    How angry would these same persecuted people be if, instead of calling them Christians, we hypothetically called them "people with Supreme Being Belief Disorder"? 
     
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    In Response to Re: DO YOU AGREE WITH TIM THOMAS AND THE CATHY FAMILY? : I believe in hating lots of people. There are some behaviors that make me sick.  If you are a drug dealer - guess what?  I hate you.  Stay the $%!@# out of my neighborhood. If you are one of those clowns that take 30 products to the express lane that clearly says 20 OR LESS - wand then you do 3 transactions (some on the credit card, some on the food stampt card, and some cash), guess what?  I hate you. If you are a socialist who wants to destroy freedom in the last free country on earth - guess what?  I hate you. If you constantly lie because it is the only way you can argue - guess what?  I hate you. Lots of behaviors are worthy of hate and discontent.
    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost


    You left out that guy who parks diagonally across three spaces so you can't use any of them.
     
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    In Response to Re: DO YOU AGREE WITH TIM THOMAS AND THE CATHY FAMILY? : You left out that guy who parks diagonally across three spaces so you can't use any of them.
    Posted by notin
    That was a respoinse worthy of your avatar.
     
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    im pretty sure a business has to adhere to labor laws regarding discrimination...im no lawyer but being a pvt business doesnt make you except from equal protection laws Equal protection only applies to state action. A private business can have you removed from the poprety or refuse to hire you based upon your marital status or because they don't like you. The only exceptions to the U.S. Constitution on the rights of freedom of association and employment on private property do not include martial status. For the "EEO" idiot that says I'm mistaken, EEO federal and state police only have authority which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. Marital status is not under the authority of the federal police State. Private property rights and religious liberty are still protected from The State. The current administration has no respect for those rights and liberties.
    Posted by TrotterNixon


    While you're right in general, you are only partly correct. This criteria applies to federal employees, via sibling charters of the EEOC. The private sector is also affected via local and state directives, which vary throughout the country, including no protection at all.

    And name calling is never cool; not that you'll stop.
     
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    The private sector is also affected via local and state directives , which vary throughout the country, including no protection at all. No State or local directive has any Constitutional authority to interfere with freedom of assoication and employment on private property rights on the issue of marital status beliefs or policies. I'm 100% correct on that. I understand that the federal and state police and politicians have taken their utopian collectivist policies and lead you to believe otherwise. They get sued all the time, for their own idiocy and disregard for private property and freedom of association rights.
    Posted by TrotterNixon


    There you go with your narcisstic 100% again. Actually, there are lawsuits going in both directions, to wit

     
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    Tim Thomas is a grand-standing idiot. He has been so wronged in his life? The United States has offered him a chance to play a great game, win a Cup, 2 Vezinas, a Conn Smythe, and the money that goes with fame/wins. Now he's the new Curt Schilling of sports. He's gone all political and he's gone all militia/bunker on Boston sports fans. I don't take him seriously, and he is basically an Ex-Bruin. I appreciate all he did as a B's goalie and I consider him quite possibly the greatest B's goalie in the team's history, but as a teammate he's no Gerry Cheevers, he's no Frank Brimsek, he's no Tiny Thompson, no Pete Peeters, and certainly not even Brian Dafoe. He is a selfish, egotistical man with an agenda. Good luck to him. Next time, announce your retirement and do it by press conference instead of Facebook.
    Posted by dannycater


    Dannyc,

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you the one going a bit loopy about the whole "Wednesday" controversy, visa vi Crawford.  Wasn't the premise of your outrage that "you won't be able to say anything soon....."  Perhaps it was someone else, but I could swear that was you??? If it was you, I guess you are the arbiter of what is now acceptable speech???

    Having said that, TT has definitely gone off the rails!!! The poor guy has been watching way too much GLENN BECK! Although much of what Glenn Beck says may be true, only the truly loopy don't see that he's got a schtick & is playing it for all it's worth. He needs to throw raw meat to the hungry socio-political lions on the fringe of the talk radio jungle. TT has obviously swallowed that raw meat whole. He's a bit tipped, but I could care less what he says.

    The main reason I lost respect for TT was that he made the White House visit all about himself, when he should have been standing by his team.  I think Obama is an absolute failure as president, but you do not disgrace your team & your city, simply to take a meaningless stand to suit yourself.  I'm sure there are plenty of GOP Congress-people who would like to skip visits with the president, but they have to be adults.   GROW UP TIM! 
     
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    There you go with your narcisstic 100% again. Actually, there are lawsuits going in both directions, to wit You pitifully invoked the Leftist buzz word "narcisstic" and "postal service" all at once! The postal service isn't private business, it's an incompetent federal agency that runs at a loss and has the arrogant attitude and lazy service typical of The State. But, you have provided the federal policy in regards to GSE's and federal bureacracies, in which the EOC has pitifully and intellectually dishonestly claimed that the issue of sexual harrassment in the public sector includes issues that don't involve sexual harrassment at all.  Leave it to trial lawyers and a federal agency to pretend that frivolous federal agency decrees and U.S. Postal sexual harrassment lawsuit are legitimate based on the issue of same-sex marital staus. 
    Posted by TrotterNixon


    How often do they let you out of that padded cell?  Everything is a "leftist plot."  You go way beyond being the run of the mill narcissist!!!! WAY BEYOND! You actually think that the NYT is hiring people (I guess I'm just one of many) to taunt you on BDC??? 

    I share your outrage!  You're no simple narcissist!  You are obviously flat arss c razy!  :)
     
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    Tim Thomas is a man of character. "I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People. This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government. Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL. This is the only public statement I will be making on this topic." TT The Democrat Party puppet Obama and his Democrat Party Congress that ran up record debt and deficit levels, both in total dollars and as % of GDP, are the ones who need to grow up. In addition, anyone bandying around the childish artifice of "homophobe" as a word of derision, such an intellectual midget needs to grow up.  
    Posted by TrotterNixon


    The federal government is totally out of control! On that we agree. Obama has been an unmitigated failure! Still with ya there!

    You occasionally stumble to on a few things that are self evident to most.  This does not diminish the depths of your dementia.......  You are completely loopy!  You also happen to be, like Mr. Potter, a warped and frustrated old man.....

    I still love ya though :)

    Can you try using a few new buzz words please?  The perseverant use of so many is becoming a bit........ well, boring.
     
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     http://news.yahoo.com/mississppi-church-refuses-marry-black-couple-205218322--abc-news-topstories.html

     

    They had booked their wedding far in advance. The invitations had been sent, the programs printed. But one day before Charles and Te'Andrea Wilson were to be married at the Mississippi church they frequented, they said a pastor told them they would have to find another venue -- because they were black.

    There has never been a black wedding at the First Baptist Church in Crystal Springs, Miss., since its founding in 1883. According to Pastor Stan Weatherford, some church members objected so strongly to breaking that precedent, they threatened to oust him from his pastorship.

     
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    In Response to Re: DO YOU AGREE WITH TIM THOMAS AND THE CATHY FAMILY? : Probably because they refer to homosexuals as having "same sex attraction disorder." How angry would these same persecuted people be if, instead of calling them Christians, we hypothetically called them "people with Supreme Being Belief Disorder"? 
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    In Response to Re: DO YOU AGREE WITH TIM THOMAS AND THE CATHY FAMILY? : I can't conceive of God arguing that people have a right to be wrong.
    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost


    If the gov't is wrong for guaranteeing gays the same rights as starights, then they are erring on the side of being fair.

    God, being omnipotent, is the one that gives life to the gays in the first place.  If it was such a problem, why would He do that?

    And finally, if it is wrong, why not let God decide?  He'll judge me on my actions, as He will judge them.
     
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      http://news.yahoo.com/mississppi-church-refuses-marry-black-couple-205218322--abc-news-topstories.html   They had booked their wedding far in advance. The invitations had been sent, the programs printed. But one day before Charles and Te'Andrea Wilson were to be married at the Mississippi church they frequented, they said a pastor told them they would have to find another venue -- because they were black. There has never been a black wedding at the First Baptist Church in Crystal Springs, Miss., since its founding in 1883. According to Pastor Stan Weatherford, some church members objected so strongly to breaking that precedent, they threatened to oust him from his pastorship.
    Posted by mrmojo1120


    The dude should've quit on the spot.  I find it hard to beleive that there isn't more to this.  I tell people that I go to the IP in LV because everyone looks like me.  And when I say that, I mean they are all middle-class working stiffs with wives and families and jobs and responsibilities, etc.  I couldn't give a rat's a$$ that they have a different complexion.  Unless I'm missing something, I would suggest the congregation has to do some soul-searching if they think Christ only wanted white people in his church.
     
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    In Response to Re: DO YOU AGREE WITH TIM THOMAS AND THE CATHY FAMILY? : If the gov't is wrong for guaranteeing gays the same rights as starights, then they are erring on the side of being fair. God, being omnipotent, is the one that gives life to the gays in the first place.  If it was such a problem, why would He do that? And finally, if it is wrong, why not let God decide?  He'll judge me on my actions, as He will judge them.
    Posted by Joebreidey


    I bet when you wrote that you thought you were being logical.  Marriage is for men and women.  One man + 1 woman.  Pretty simple really.  Asking why can't the state give the "same rights" to people who don't meet the definition is silly. 

    Why not ask - why can't the state declare that short people are tall?  Since this is a sports thread - why can't we just declare Aluminum Bats are made of wood? 

    Because they do not make sense by definition. 

    the mind must be completely reprobate to not understand that two dudes can't get married.  They can do a lot of things - but marriage is not one of those things.  I honnestly do not care how they live their lives - but don't try to tell me that your aluminum bat is made of wood. 

    Your second question - if it was such a problem why did God create them?  Is equally stupid.  I could use that for any aberrant bahvior.  If cannibalism is so bad, why did God create cannibals.  See how weak your argument is?  So, back to the drawing board on that one.

    Last - God will decide.  But we live here on earth for 7 - 8 decades and we have to have some rules, dontcha think?  A lot of us would like to limit the "celebration" of disorderly thought and unnatural acts.



     
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    Totally agree with these folks. They are doing my lobotomy next week, I can't wait until I have a nice simple world view with the people I love close to me and then outside of that everyone who is different. Those people I will hate. 

    In all seriousness I have no problem if Tim Thomas wants to be a bigot, claim God is on the side of bigots and so on. He has every right to express those views. What I can't stand about Tim Thomas is when he posts things of that nature and then can't take the heat and gets angry at the media when they cover the story he created. The last time he ranted that the end of the world is near thanks to the evil doings of those who are different than him, he made a point of reminding us to support his sponsors in the meantime.

    If Tim feels strongly about gay marriage, then he takes his stand. Have to respect that. Then you take the heat. You can't take the heat, you're a coward using Facebook as a bully pulpit. 
     
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    I bet when you wrote that you thought you were being logical.  Marriage is for men and women.  One man + 1 woman.  Pretty simple really.  Asking why can't the state give the "same rights" to people who don't meet the definition is silly. 

    You're mixing up two concepts-a marriage and a union.  The gov't is conveying rights to gays that unmarried straights have.  The church doesn't recognie either arrangement as a marriage.  From a religious perspective, it is a non-event.  From a civil perspective, why should you care what two people do inside their castle?
     
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    Last - God will decide.  But we live here on earth for 7 - 8 decades and we have to have some rules, dontcha think?  A lot of us would like to limit the "celebration" of disorderly thought and unnatural acts

    It wasn't really that long ago that the idea of a black man and a white woman was considered unnatural.  And only slightly before that, that blacks couldn't drink the same water as whites.  Before that, it was unnatural for women to vote.  Or that a woman might want to join the armed forces or become a cop.
     
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