Re: Do you Extend Wakefield to 2012?
posted at 9/24/2011 3:27 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Do you Extend Wakefield to 2012?
[QUOTE]My opinion is that there are no pitchers that will put his team in a position to win in about 60-65% of his starts (even if limited to just 15-20 starts) at that low of a cost. That isn't your opinion, it's your propaganda Bedard 1M 3.5 ERA 2011 Age 33 Colon .9M 4.02 ERA 2011 Age 39 Garcia 1.5M 3.77 ERA 2011 Age 35 I should have said "few" pitchers not "no", I won't ask for forgiveness, because I know you are incapable of being kind. Besides, Bedard cost more than $1M, he cost us a very good OF prospect and $1M for what? 6 starts? Colon and Garcia were great finds by Cashman, but even he admitted they exceeded his expectaions. There are other pitchers with as good or better numbers than Wake, and some of them are cheap or cheaper, especially fo you have a young guy in your system to bring up, but counting on Theo to find next year's Colon or Garcia is wishful thinking. Why don't you tell us now, who Theo can sign for next year at $1-1.5M. We will probably need 2-3 of them, so list 2-3. I'll save your answer and we'll revisit next season.
Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]
This discussion only makes sense if you assume that we have to buy all the faulty premises upon which it is based.
The first faulty premise is that Wake is better than all the other RS slugs who allege to be able to start on this team and thus, as he is the best of the worst options, he should be brought back.
The second faulty premise is that the RS can only spend $1-$1.5 mil and therefore from within those price constraints, Wake is again the best of worst options and he should be brought back.
The third faulty premise is that the RS have to find someone who can make 12-16 starts and only pay them $1.5 mil or less to do that.
If we can only look at Doubront, Bowden, Weiland, A Miller & Bedard and leap to only being able to spend $1.5 mil then your point is made. Fortunately those will not be our only options. Fortunately, this isn't entirely based on accounting.
It seems we have tried what Cashman tried this year - used tires and other's old castaways and has-beens didn't work out despite our prayers for them all to become "low-risk, high-reward." Smoltz, Penny
This team has commitments to Beckett, Lester, Lackey & Buchholz. Dice is in his last year in 2012 and we won't see him, if at all, until August. Bedard wants to stay and at age 32 and given his $1 mil price it looks attractive only if you discount his recent injury history. Bowden has yet to prove he can pitch in the majors, given several tries the past few years including this one. Doubront arrived out of shape, not ready. Weiland, diplomatically, is not ready-assuming he ever will be. A Miller was serviceable for a few starts and then had a meltdown - again not ready for the show.
If I buy your logic we back into a deal with a 45 soon to be a 46 yr old next August to pitch part of the summer?
I still think we need the best option we can find at #5 and not rest on comparing everyone else's #5 against our options and saying we're fine. The lack of depth in this year's rotation means we look for better options - not be satisfied only seeing the ones we choose to look at at the price we're paying now for being 7 out with 6 to play on a team touted in February as the best RS team ever assembled. As Epstein said in February - even with what we knew or expected then, Beckett-Lester-Lackey-Buchholz-Dice and then Wake was not deep enough.
The Phillies are where they are because they have the best starting rotation in baseball - not because they decided to fall back on something less than what was available. The Yankees got lucky with Colon and Garcia, sometimes that's what happens. We're where we are because our starting pitching failed and we had substandard options to fill the gaps and here we sit 7 out and 2.5 up in the lost column for the WC.
Between Lackey, Bedard and Wake none would be any guarantee of being able to give a solid 6 innings in a 3rd game of the playoffs. Too few good starting options is our weakness and that weakness is not improved upon by assuming today that Wake is the only possible, affordable option under all circumstances.