Re: Do you Extend Wakefield to 2012?
posted at 9/25/2011 12:35 PM EDT
Wake 5.08 1.327
Over 2.5 years. The other pitchers are young with small samples and not allowed a regular rotation spot schedule. Miller is good on the road and the team is 9-3 when he starts.
1) Wake was not afforded a "regular roation spot" for most of the time frame you mention (mid 2009-present). You continously spot statements that are just plain false.
2009: Wake missed action from July 9th to his start on Aug 26th. He then had 10 days off before his next start, 16 days to his following start, then 9 before his last start.
2010: 4 starts followed by pen duty. 1 start, then pen duty. 11 starts (some with staggered amounts of off days), 10 days off, pen duty, one start, pen duty, one start, pen duty, and finally one more start to end the season. He was jerked from starter to relief a staggering 10 times in 2010. There's nothing regular about that.
2011: Mop up duty until May 1st, the one start, 3 days later a relief appearance, then a start 2 days later, relief 5 days later, then a start 11 days later (11 days of no action!). He then started "regularly" for 17 starts. WOW! Then pen duty followed by 3 starts. The reason he stayed a starter for 17 straight games was because of injuries 2 or more of our other starters and the fact that he allowed 3 or less runs in 9 of the first 14 of them (plus a 4 ER in 6 IP game). Like it or not, he stayed in the rotation because he was performing well for a 6th starter.
Bottomline: while Wake has been more "regular" than Miller and Weilandin MLB, they were starters in AAA on a regular basis. They were not jerked from relief to starter, given 10 days off or more for non-injury related issues, or given a catcher that can't catch their strikes.
2) Lackey is not young, but I guess you prefer him over Wake due to his lower age and belt size. Dice-K is not young and has been injured almoste every season. He won't be available to start next year. Bedard is better than Wake, but barely can pitch and will be a FA this winter. As for the young pitchers:
Miller: had 13, 20, and 14 starts from 2007 to 2009. That's three chances to stick on as a starter. He had 7 starts last year and an 8.54 ERA. This year he has had 12 starts in MLB and 12 at Pawtucket. That's about equal to Wake, but without being jerked to relief and back 4 times. If you combine is minor and major league starts per season he has this record of GS'd:
07 0 (8 relief) 13 (no relief)
08 13 (0) 4 (+2 relief)
09 20 (9) 7 (no relief)
10 7 (2) 12 (no relief)
11 12 (4) 12 (1 relief)
Total Miller starts since 2009: 27, 19, 24. (+16 games in relief)
Total Wake starts from mid 2009: 4, 19, 22 (+19 relief games)
Miller has had a more "regular starting rotaion" role than Wake since mid 2009.
Weiland: 24 years old, but was not ready to pitch in the bigs this year. The only reason he was here was because we had 3 or 4 starters out at the same time. He has 29 starts this year in MLB and AAA...more than Wake. He had 25 last year with Portland. He was in single A in 2009 with 26 starts.
Doubront: 23 years old. I thought he might be MLB ready this year, but he was injured and has been slow to recover fully. I know you want to deny he was hurt when you called for him to start over Wake, but the DL prevents pitchers from pitching. He had 16 starts and 2 relief games in AAA this year (2-5 4.22 ERA).
Others: There are none.
3) You keep coming up with new supposed fact that show others are better than Wake, and you have been continually proven wrong. All you have left is Road ERA and 2011 team record in Miller's starts. If you go by those numbers with Wake, he has a 4.99 ERA and the team is 12-10 in his starts. Those may be worse than Miller, but they are very capable numbers for 6/7 starter on any MLB team.
70% want Wakefield gone. In this case, they are correct.
I can't believe you are using this site's poster's opinions to try and back up your position. You have continually said the site is full of idiots. How can so many "idiots" all be right at the same time all of a sudden? Is it "voodoo"?
One decent start should have no bearing on a 46 year old pitcher with an ERA over 5 for over 2.5 years.
I agree. Even a no hitter should not make any difference, as would a 2 Ip 7 ER game.