Do you feel that no matter how successfull Wakefield is today, if Miller looks good tomorrow, Wakefield is back in the bullpen?

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    Do you feel that no matter how successfull Wakefield is today, if Miller looks good tomorrow, Wakefield is back in the bullpen?

    It seems that if Miller has a good outing tomorrow night Wakefield is out of the rotation. Who do you prefer Miller or Wakefield as the number 5 starter?
     
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    [QUOTE]It seems that if Miller has a good outing tomorrow night Wakefield is out of the rotation. Who do you prefer Miller or Wakefield as the number 5 starter?
    Posted by fir.eballer58[/QUOTE]

    Let's wait and see what Miller can do first. He hasn't thrown a pitch for the sox yet. He has always been plagued by control problems until very recently.
     
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    Re: Do you feel that no matter how successfull Wakefield is today, if Miller looks good tomorrow, Wakefield is back in the bu...

    I'll play it by ear.

    I'm rooting for Wakefield because he's always been one of my favorite players. I hope Miller does well because I root for ALL Red Sox players. Then we'll see what happens.

    With the way Buchholz's back is, maybe if both pitch well, the Sox will give Buch a little more rest.

    You can never have enough pitching.
     
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    The real question might end up being Lackey vs Miller.
     
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    Re: Do you feel that no matter how successfull Wakefield is today, if Miller looks good tomorrow, Wakefield is back in the bu...

    Here'a closer look at Wake's 7 starts this year:
    Overall: 3-2  4.29 ERA /1.262WHIP (Sox 4-3 in his starts).
    Opponents have a .703 OPS against him as a starter.

    Here's a closer look at how Wake's runs were let up. It shows his ERA and record could be much better...

                                IP   H  ER  BB
    1) 5/1 vs Sea    5.2  3   1   1
    2) 5/6 vs MN     4.1  9   6   4 (2 days after a relief game)
    3) 5/22 v Cubs  6.2  4   4   4 (11 days off after a relief game)
    4) 5/27 @ Det   7.0   5   2   2
    5) 6/1 vs CWS  6.0   7   4   1
    6) 6/8 @ NYY    5.1   5   5   3 (Short notice on 7 days rest)
    7) 6/14 @ TB     7.0   4   1   5

    Game 1: Wake had a shutout going into the 6th with 2 outs. He lets up a line drive single, but Tito takes him out. Jenks procedds to let his run score and 1 more and the game is tied: Wake gets a no decision. Sox win in the 9th.

    Game 2: No excuses. Wake got crushed, but Tito left him in for 9 hits and 4 Bbs in just 4.1 IP. He had Aceves in the pen, and he could have used him earlier. Here's how the runs scored: HR (solo). BB />Inf single /> Line drive single /> 2 outs > Ground ball single > Balk (2 runs not exactly well earned by the Twins).  Solo HR. 5th inning: BB> Ground ball single> Out> single to short LF> Deep Dbl> Wake replaced. Aceves lets Wakes run in.

    Game 3: 6 shut out innings then a ground ball 2B and a deep dble (1 run scored) Bard keeps Wake's run from scoring. We win.

    Game 4: 1st inning, Ground ball single />SB />2 flyouts />groundball single (Kind of a cheap run). Solo HR in 2nd. Wake shuts the Tigers down until releived in the 8th. Sox win.

    Game 5: Sox up 3-0 into the 4th, then the CWS deep single /> passed Ball /> Fly Out />  HBP> K > Bloop Dbl down LF line (maybe a cheap run). 5th inning: BB> Bloop single > GO > SB> Ground out (run scores) Groundball Dbl (tied score- kind of a cheap run). 6th inning: Solo HR. Papi ties it, but Albers later gets the loss.

    Game 6: (Short notice start) 3 shut out innings then a Solo HR in the 4th by ARod. Wake trips over runner to end the 4th. The Yankee 5th: BB /> PB /> single (run) /> Dbl over Jacoby's head (Bad angle taken by Ellsbury, but not sure if he could have caught it anyways) > Ground out> Sac Fly to shallow LF (Weak armed CC makes a weak/bad throw) Cheap run(s)? Maybe.  Yankee 6th inning: HBP> Flyout> BB and Wake gets yanked (rightfully so IMO) Aceves did a great job in relief to help Wake get the win, but he did allow 2 singles to let Wake's runner score.

    Game 7: 4 1/3 scoreless ball before a HR down the line. Another run scores on 2 BBs and 2 passed balls (unearned).

    Judge for yourself, but I think many of Wake's "earned" runs allowed
    as a starter this year, have been on the "cheap side". He could easily be 4-2
    and with some or a lot of luck have let up 5-9 runs less. Had this happened, Wake's ERA could have been about 2.50 to 3.00.

    Yes, I know you could do this with every starts ERA, but I do feel like Wake has had more bad breaks and "inherited runs" allowed than other starters on our team.
     
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    [QUOTE]The real question might end up being Lackey vs Miller.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]And maybe it should be but do you really see that happening?
     
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    it depends on how many more injuried arms.  As long as timmy holds up, he's probably in the rotation, not the pen...unless to eat innings if RS are way behind.
     
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                         I think they may go with a six man rotation for a while and stretch out time between starts for guys like JL,CB, and let Aceves fill the old TW role as long relief specialist. Just a thought though. 
     
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    Clay on the 15 day DL ... Miller takes his place for now.
     
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    And maybe it should be but do you really see that happening?

    No, the pardigms are to rigid.
     
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    If Miller pitches well, I think he should stay..maybe a 6-man for a while? Lackey will pitch unless he gets hurt again IMO..Wake odd man out maybe?
    side note: Im loving how they are playing that music when the B's score whenever the Sox score today..nice touch..especially after the Bruins players had that pre-game ceremony..
     
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    The real question ShOULD be Lackey vs. Miller.  A 15-day disabled stint for Lackey in the middle of the season would help his elbow out, I should think. 

    BUT, for right now, it is Buchholz vs. Miller, and this gives Miller the chance to prove he is better than Lackey and Wakefield.  And Wakefield's ERA in starts is around 4.00 (not 5.00 despite what softy keeps repeating..  Remember, softy is Karl Rove--repeat a lie often enough and loud enough, enough people will come to believe it is true.).
     
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    I don't know why I cannot start a discussion around here, but I was going to start one that said, "Sox should DFA Wakefield!" and then post:  He is making softy/betterred look bad.
     
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    [QUOTE]The real question ShOULD be Lackey vs. Miller.  A 15-day disabled stint for Lackey in the middle of the season would help his elbow out, I should think.  BUT, for right now, it is Buchholz vs. Miller, and this gives Miller the chance to prove he is better than Lackey and Wakefield.  And Wakefield's ERA in starts is around 4.00 (not 5.00 despite what softy keeps repeating..  Remember, softy is Karl Rove--repeat a lie often enough and loud enough, enough people will come to believe it is true.).
    Posted by parhunter1[/QUOTE]

    Yup,

    Old man Wakefield at this point just may be better than Lackey.  Somehow I think Lackey "80mil" will still get the nod over Wake even if Miller does well. 




     
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    I doubt 2-3 starts by Miller will "prove" anything, but I hope he pitches well enough to make the choice hard.

    A lot might depend on who Tito/Theo think makes a better long relief man.
     
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    [QUOTE]I doubt 2-3 starts by Miller will "prove" anything, but I hope he pitches well enough to make the choice hard. A lot might depend on why Tito/Theo think makes a better long relief man.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    Thats a good point, our pen could always use some help.  I don't think Wake is as effective coming out of the pen.
     
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    [QUOTE]I don't know why I cannot start a discussion around here, but I was going to start one that said, "Sox should DFA Wakefield!" and then post:  He is making softy/betterred look bad.
    Posted by parhunter1[/QUOTE]I'll do it for you par.
     
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    Agree with you both.
     
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    [QUOTE]It seems that if Miller has a good outing tomorrow night Wakefield is out of the rotation. Who do you prefer Miller or Wakefield as the number 5 starter?
    Posted by fir.eballer58[/QUOTE]  NO, NOT AT ALL !!!!    SON, I SUGGEST THAT YOU NOT WORRY AS THEO, TITO & I WILL FIGURE IT ALL OUT FOR OUR BELOVED RED SOX NATION !!!!!  THANKS ANYWAY !!!
     
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    [QUOTE]It seems that if Miller has a good outing tomorrow night Wakefield is out of the rotation. Who do you prefer Miller or Wakefield as the number 5 starter?
    Posted by fir.eballer58[/QUOTE]

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    Hopefully we get to the point where we have 6 healthy pitchers performing well enough to force a decision.
     
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    Wake has the 2nd best WHIP (1.140) & 4th best ERA (4.14 as a starter) among our starters.

    For those who think Wake has faced weak hitting teams, the average offensive position by runs scored of the teams he has faced is 11th best in MLB.
     
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    Buchholz on the DL makes this whole issue much easier...

    Let Buchholz rest up instead of aggrevating that back with every start.

    This should free up 3 starts for Miller.  Then I see the Sox giving everyone an extra days rest once Buchholz is back which would then give Miller a 4th start without making the Miller/Wakefield decision.

    If Miller bombs then he's gone and the experiment will be filed under the "Theo Failures" bucket.  If he shows signs of regaining his form from when he was an elite prospect, the Sox would have no choice but to put Wakefield back in the pen.  He's arguably the best spot starter in the bigs due to A.  The way he pitches and B.  His years of experience from being shuffled around between the rotation and bullpen.  He will have more opportunities to start this year as I expect to see another DL injury to someone in the rotation.
     
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    Re: Do you feel that no matter how successfull Wakefield is today, if Miller looks good tomorrow, Wakefield is back in the bu...

    ...If he shows signs of regaining his form from when he was an elite prospect, the Sox would have no choice but to put Wakefield back in the pen...

    They have several other choices if Miller looks good:

    1) Miller goes to the pen in long relief.
    2) Lackey goes to the pen if he has 4 not so good starts.
    3) Put someone else on the DL for a 2-3 game rest.
     

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