Do you feel the Sox can win the World Series without a quality number 3 starter?

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    If they dont win the WS its not because of pitching but its because of lack of offense. They have to start scoring runs. Thats where our strength is and if we are not at our best with the bats then we are done. WE HAVE GOOD ENOUGH PITCHING TO WIN WS.
     
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    In Seattle, Lackey gave up 4 runs in 6 innings, Wakefield 5 in 8 innings, and both were cuffed around by a powder puff offense. Numbers can be adduced to show that both of them have been relatively useful; but, IMO, no Sox fan should want to see either of them near a mound in the post season, except out of dire necessity. They are not trustworthy.
    Working backwards, at #3, Bedard could well be the crucial man in a seven-game series; at #2, Lester, record aside, will need to pitch better than he has on the whole this season; at #1, Beckett is still a horse, bombs away in Seattle notwithstanding, and figures to be tough in the post season. What he needs is run support.
    IMO, the Sox will need a good #3 even to get to the World Series, where they would need him even more. 
     
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    Hell, we don't have a number one, so where do you come off with the number 3 question?
     
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    Hell, we don't have a number one, so where do you come off with the number 3 question?
    Posted by PresBoSoxTexasChapter


    Please explain.
     
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    Sure , we need a strong third starter. Hopefully , Bedard can be that.  Certainly cannot count on Lackey or Wakefield.  In fact, we cannot be all that confident in Beckett and Lester. How many times have they been truly dominant?  Talking about complete games or at least going seven or eight shut out or one run run games?  Sox starters are constantly in early pitch count trouble.  The bullpen has actually been the strength of the staff.  There is nothing more important than starting pitching, and the Sox are very questionable in that area.
     
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    A healthy Bedard is the key -- it's really too bad about Bucholz
     
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    The World Series is two months away. Let's enjoy the last third of the journey day by day. Only spoiled fans feel entitled to winning the trophy this early and they usually wear pinstripes.
     
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    NO WAY!!!
     
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    Wake's numbers are better than many on the list of WS winning #3s in recent years. Wake came up big as #3 starter in 2004 playoffs. Lester wasn't on 2007 team. Wakefield was #3 or #4. Wakefield is a rock. 
    Posted by softylaw

    Okay Mr. EXPERT, caught you. Look up who won game 4 of series vs. Colorado Rockies......that's right, Jon Lester.

    Nuff said.
    You're lack of knowledge is only exceeded by your stubborn idiocy.
     
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    I would bet that John Lackey is the number 3 starter in the playoffs....1) he is 5-0 with a 4.62 ERA since the break, so he is pitching better...2) His Career post Season ERA in 14 games is 3.12 ...3) Francona always shows loyalty. He is less likely to go with a new guy over a guy he is used to. The one caveat would be if Texas is our 1st round opponent...Lackeys career ERA vs Tex is over 6, whereas Bedards is just over 3.....so maybe in the short 5 game series, those numbers convince Theo and Terry to  pitch Bedard instead of Lackey. 
     
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    I would bet that John Lackey is the number 3 starter in the playoffs....1) he is 5-0 with a 4.62 ERA since the break, so he is pitching better...2) His Career post Season ERA in 14 games is 3.12 ...3) Francona always shows loyalty. He is less likely to go with a new guy over a guy he is used to. The one caveat would be if Texas is our 1st round opponent...Lackeys career ERA vs Tex is over 6, whereas Bedards is just over 3.....so maybe in the short 5 game series, those numbers convince Theo and Terry to  pitch Bedard instead of Lackey. 
    Posted by tomnev
    You may be right, but if Bedard outpitches Lackey the remainder of the season Terry may have no choice.

     
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    we cannot be all that confident in Beckett and Lester. How many times have they been truly dominant?  Talking about complete games or at least going seven or eight shut out or one run run games?  Posted by dgalehouse


    How soon we forget.  Beckett had (and think about this a minute) back-to-back starts against Tampa Bay when, were it not for ONE INFIELD HIT in each game he could have had perfect games. Not no-hitters - two perfect games. 

    And please don't go dumping on TB tooo much.  They're still Major League players.
     
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    The short answer is yes, if the definiton of quality is 6 IP, 3 runs or less. Bedard and Lackey are both certainly capable of delivering a quality start and keeping us in games. end of the day the team that scores the most runs wins so in all likilhood, they'll be opposed by the other teams #3 & #4

    In the end, in a seven game series a team's #1 and #2 will pitch four of the seven, the #3 guys goes twice and the #4 once. On paper in the AL our rotation matches up pretty well with anyones. If we get to the World Series I like our chances if Beckett and Lester both pitch big in big games. Bottom line is most series turn on the results of the 1st two games and whoevers #1 and #2 outpitches the other it's tough toi win a series when your #1 gets beaten twice!

    Make no mistake about it while the starters play a huge role in the success of a team in the post season...The bullpens ability to hold leads is almost as crucial and if we get to through the 7th with a lead, I like our chances with Bard & Papelbon on the hill.
     
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    World Series?  There is an ocean of difference between the Phillies and the Sox. It'd be nice to see the Sox just win the East, but it probably isn't going to happen. 

    For the Sox to advance even one round in the playoffs, Crawford's going to need to be hitting. That just doesn't seem likely. No one player deserves the blame for poor play, but Carl Crawford is just awful. He is costing this team runs with his bat and his glove. He will literally swing at pretty much any pitch, wildly flailing in hopes of making contact.  And for what it's worth, Ellsbury has doubled-up CC in the stolen bases department.  So is Crawford done this season, or is there any hope that he can come around?  He's dead freaking weight on this team, and if it continues like this, then Tito needs to take a chance on Kalish. 

    After today, this race will be tied up again.  Sox have had what, three chances to open up a lead in this division?  It's way too hard to imagine this team being able to lock it up.  They just don't have it.  And the Yanks are going to get hot; Sox did what they could to keep NY at bay for a long time, but that's about to change.

    Go Sox.  It's nice to believe, but given the respective upcoming schedules of Boston and NY, it's hard to believe they won't be behind NY by about three games in ten more days. 

    Pardon the pessimism.  This team is in its doldrums.

     

     
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    With the loss of Buchholz, we don't have a quality number 3 starter. Can the Sox still defeat the Giants or Phillies?

    Posted by Mr.Bump


    Bedard is a quality 3. Maybe better than Mr. Fragile Wuss Buchholtz.
     
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      If it's the Giants or Phills, with their offensively challenged line-ups the Sox should be ok with current staff, be it Bedard or Lackey. The D-Backs or Brewers were to make series their own pitching will be called into question against Sox line-up, either way the Sox will be in good position to win third title. The hard part will be winning the American League playoffs, with Texas being their biggest hurdle.
     
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    With the loss of Buchholz, we don't have a quality number 3 starter. Can the Sox still defeat the Giants or Phillies?
    Posted by Mr.Bump

     
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