Do you offer Papi Arbitration or let him Walk with no Comp?

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    Ortiz has been treated poorly by most Boston fans, a common occurence for black players. Wastefield and Varitek, and Ellsbury in 2010, are a disgrace. They get a free pass and a welcome mat.
     
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    Hank,
    You have got to be kidding.  Ortiz has been one of the most adored baseball players in Boston sports history.    
     
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    [QUOTE]Burrito is right.  Ortiz became a player not remotely identifiable with his legend that came out of 2004 and in 2007 to a lesser degree. After his terrible starts in 2009 and 2010 he redefined himself as an angry, unhappy, defensive, and hardly impactful player.  This is as you said FACT, others who disagree are in denial still living in the great unprecedented comeback of 2004.  Ortiz is no longer a force but more of a stat chaser now hitting home runs that mean little and offering nothing on a team so desperate for a leader.  We saw in Sept.
    Posted by concord27[/QUOTE]

    I could not have said it better.

     
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    [QUOTE]Burrito is right.  Ortiz became a player not remotely identifiable with his legend that came out of 2004 and in 2007 to a lesser degree. After his terrible starts in 2009 and 2010 he redefined himself as an angry, unhappy, defensive, and hardly impactful player.  This is as you said FACT, others who disagree are in denial still living in the great unprecedented comeback of 2004.  Ortiz is no longer a force but more of a stat chaser now hitting home runs that mean little and offering nothing on a team so desperate for a leader.  We saw in Sept.
    Posted by concord27[/QUOTE]

     
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    [QUOTE]I began to note in 2006 that Ortiz had developed an attitude. Frankly it was obvious to anyone who was not a Blind Homer, that he no longer looked like he was having fun. He became more of a "I am a machine, I am as bad as hell" type of braggart rather than the feel-good story player that was discarded from Minnesota. Oh I could go on and on but I won't become a target again over this compadre. He needs to go simple as that... he is no way near the player he used to be. God forbid AGon goes down with an injury, Ortiz would shrink at the challenge of carrying the team - FACT.
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    Not for nothing, but a fact in BB is almost always a number.  You have nothing but opinions in there, unless you can back them up with stats.
     
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    [QUOTE]   AS DAD WOULD SAY ......  "SON, WRONG AGAIN BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, THE SOX TOOK A FLYER ON ARBITRATION, EVEN THOUGH THEY DID NOT WANT TO"  !!!   LETS SEE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT !!
    Posted by Bill-806[/QUOTE]

    I was shocked that Theo offered Aramis Ramirez arbitration, but it worked out for him.  Of course, Theo is the best in BB, so he probably understands the process better.
     
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    he redefined himself as an angry, unhappy, defensive, and hardly impactful player.  This is as you said FACT,


    Dude, maybe you should look up the definition of 'FACT'.  That's YOUR OPINION.  He seems a whole lot more positive than Youk and a handful of our pitchers.  But that's just my opinion, and not a fact.

    I mean, to discuss if we should keep him instead of a RH RF is a legit discussion.  To say our best offensive player over the past two years is hardly impactful is just plain wrong.
     
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    [QUOTE]Ortiz has been treated poorly by most Boston fans, a common occurence for black players. Wastefield and Varitek, and Ellsbury in 2010, are a disgrace. They get a free pass and a welcome mat.
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    Why do you continue to embarrass yourself like that?  As others have posted, Papi is one our most popular players ever, and is considered a Latino.  You really need to find out something to do with your life.  Being a laughing stock for folks in a BB board is not a noble aspiration.
     
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    You have got to be kidding. Ortiz has been one of the most adored baseball players in Boston sports history.

    Read this board, prevaricator. Ortiz was one of the top producing hitters in all of baseball, this year. Yet, Boston sentiment is to pinch pennies and let him go, with feigned claims of age and market cost. Varitek and Wastefield were gifted nearly 6 million in 2011, and should be run out of town in a rail. Yet they are, by many, offered a welcome mat. 

    And Joe, knock off the Latino considered patronizing comment. Ortiz is Black, or Obama is considered White, you prevaricating jerk! 
     
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    It's kind of a lose lose lose situation for the Sox to offer him Arb...

    If he accepts Arb we are bound to pay him between $12.5 and 14. That's a lot of money for a player that only DH's. Knowing you can get Vlad probably for $8 with some incentives and in a potent lineup you know his production will be comparable to Papi's. 

    If you offer him a one year deal he will be offended especially if the amount is less than $12.5.

    If you offer him a 2 year deal for less than $10 per with no buyout--you might as well not even make an offer and hope that someone offers him a package of $22 to 24 over two years and he walks.
     
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    [QUOTE]You have got to be kidding. Ortiz has been one of the most adored baseball players in Boston sports history. Read this board, prevaricator. Ortiz was one of the top producing hitters in all of baseball, this year. Yet, Boston sentiment is to pinch pennies and let him go, with feigned claims of age and market cost. Varitek and Wastefield were gifted nearly 6 million in 2011, and should be run out of town in a rail. Yet they are, by many, offered a welcome mat.  And Joe, knock off the Latino considered patronizing comment. Ortiz is Black, or Obama is considered White, you prevaricating jerk! 
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    Ortiz is a mixture of black and Latino.  Dominicans are a product of the slave trade which came from African around South America( where you have dark skinned Brazilians) and through the Carribbean.

     
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    What do the Feds consider Ortiz...........................................
     
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    [QUOTE]What do the Feds consider Ortiz...........................................
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    Why does it matter? If you mix a chocalate shake with a vanilla shake, what do you call it? Who cares?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Do you offer Papi Arbitration or let him Walk with no Comp? : Why does it matter? If you mix a chocalate shake with a vanilla shake, what do you call it? Who cares?
    Posted by UticaClub[/QUOTE]

    Jeter.
     
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    [QUOTE]What do the Feds consider Ortiz...........................................
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    Latino.  Everyone south of the US is considered Latino, unless you're white.  A guy like Masterson is Jamiacan, except for reporting purposes.
     
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    t's kind of a lose lose lose situation for the Sox to offer him Arb...

    Win-win.  If he takes arb, he probably gets $12M, which is okay.  If he declines, we get two picks.
     
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    [QUOTE]There always the chance Ortiz will decline arb. Tek did thinking he was in demand, and he ended up signing for much less then the original offer Whatever happens, it will be interesting
    Posted by jackbu[/QUOTE]

    Sometimes the agent will step, and sometimes pride.  There was no chance anyone would give up a #1 for Tek.  $8M/2 was the outer limits for a team lacking any catching options.  But to throw in a #1 afterwards?  I'd prefer to take the picks for Papi, but $12M/1 won't hurt us much.
     
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    Why does it matter? If you mix a chocalate shake with a vanilla shake, what do you call it? Who cares?

    Obama minions, press propagandists and the Feds care. Obama is Black, just ask someone on a street corner.

    Joe, you are truly a tool. Reality cannot exist in the mind of a politically correct drone. You are worthless mind, Joe.
     
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    Hank,
    Calling people liars when they are just expressing an opinion is not at all fair or correct.  That is what this Board is for.  I wondering what you are so mad about your views are certainly not unassailable.  I liked Ortiz and am bummed out he has lost the legend status he had attained. That does not take away the fact that he has not acted worthy of that for the last four years.  
     
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    I didn't call anyone a liar, and Ortiz is Black.

    Ortiz was one of the best hitters in MLB, last season. Knock off the feigned "sorry he lost legendary status" nonsense. Ortiz will never lose what he did, and, unlike parasites Varitek and Wastefield, actually earned a market FA contract offer.
     
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    [QUOTE]Hank, Calling people liars when they are just expressing an opinion is not at all fair or correct.  That is what this Board is for.  I wondering what you are so mad about your views are certainly not unassailable.  I liked Ortiz and am bummed out he has lost the legend status he had attained. That does not take away the fact that he has not acted worthy of that for the last four years.  
    Posted by concord27[/QUOTE]

    Dr. Phil Concurs; " Big Papi has lost his legendary status, this is a certainty."





     
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    I think it is time for Ortiz to move on. Sure, he gave us some great seasons but the Sox need to start looking in different directions. They need more versatility in their players and Ortiz is not versatile at all. His numbers are very misleading to anyone who follows baseball carefully. His performance in clutch situation, something that used to be one of his strengths, is now mediocre at best. He has not stepped up as a leader the last few years. The only reason he dropped weight and produced slightly better this year was because it was a contract year. If..and that's a very big if..the Sox sign him it should not be for more than 1 year.
     

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