DOES JOHN HENRY TRULY BELIEVE HE CAN STAND PAT THIS OFF SEASON WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE?

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    [QUOTE]While Cherington must suffer the indignity of sitting on his hands while all legit free agents are snatched up, I assure you The Nation is far too sophisticated to hold him to blame for what Henry has decreed by his unwillingnes to spend. While John mopes about on his yacht all day, shedding tears for a spoiled brat he feels betrayed him, the Red Sox fans are left wondering when the big boys in charge are going to step up to the plate. One gets the distinct impression that Henry/Werner are perfectly content to tank this season, and try to lay it at Luchino's feet. He was the one who harped about Theo's ineptitude, and finally forced Henry+Werner to admit the truth. He is the convenient scapegoat for Theo's decision to leave a year early, though the fact that sheLackey was about to announce plans to miss the next 2yrs was probably a more important reason. So now Henry resents him, in a classic "shoot the messenger" response. Sheesh! Grow up already!! Give this team the tools it needs to compete. Cherington deserves better than to be ordered to sit in the corner and pretend, to a skeptical fan base, that he's truly trying to sign free agents and to field a winning team THIS SEASON. If this ownership group allows this team, so close to being able to compete, to fail, it will be a shameful act far more damaging to fan morale than last seasons epic collapse. And a restless Nation will be forced to ask the question: are we being taken for granted? Is the team with the highest ticket prices in all of baseball, just raised again THIS season, really unable to compete in the market against the likes of the Florida Marlins or Toronto Blue Jays? Puleeeeeeeeze! We do realize the Red Sox spent well for last seasons team. We get it. But we are 3-4 peices away from competing for a ring this season, and we categorically reject the notion that these can be filled on the cheap from within. Failure is NEVER and option for a true Red Sox fan, and it shouldn't be for the owners and management either. Oh, and if that makes us "difficult fans", then it's a tile we will bear with honor. It's who we are, and it's part of what makes us the best fans in baseball.
    Posted by Teakus[/QUOTE]

    Can you say LOSS LEADER kids? What a crock, I am staggered so far!
     
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    Like someone said.  The Sox have the players to win...Someone has to motivate them.  Adding a bunch more isn't going to help much.
     
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    This stinks!
    Other teams are making trades and signing  people.
    Slow Boy Ben is content to sign an aging DH, and say his RF of
    garbage is fine.
    Meanwhile, he's lost his closer, while the market grows smaller, as he waits for Madsen to sign for peanuts.
    It's worse than standing pat. This team has more needs than hiring a manager.
    Guess the Sox thought Bobby would take everyone's mind off their inaction.
     
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    I think some of the people here may be a bit premature saying we blew it with Papi (money-wise). Just because he accepted arbitration doesn't mean it will get to arbitration. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Papi ended up signing for two years at 20 million or thereabouts. 
     
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    Meanwhile, he's lost his closer, while the market grows smaller, as he waits for Madsen to sign for peanuts

    Actually, the amount of closers available relative to the number of teams that need one, is growing.  If we want Madson instead of Bailey, who's left to outbid us?
     
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    [QUOTE] Could they be believers in that whole Mayan Calandar thingy? Never can tell. /QUOTE]
    ROFL, that's the best explanation I've heard for their inaction!
     
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    Yes, stand still works great. This Red Sox team needs to be rebuilt from the inside not outside. They;ve got lots of good, very good players. The starting pitching stff is really pretty strong. The offense is still top 5 in all of MLB
     
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    Actually, the greatest collective failure, whatever that means, in Baseball was accomplished by the Yankees in 2004 ALCS.
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    Whatever gets you through the night, I guess. But there's a huge difference between losing four games against a good team where one play (Roberts) and a millisecond turned the tide in Game 4---and an entire team quitting on themselves over a month of pressure baseball when they had all the horses, the money, and the expectations and got waxed over and over.
     
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    In John Henry's defense, it is important to note that they have almost finalized their plans to celebrate the Fenway 100th anniversary.
     
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    Rofl! Now that's funny!!




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    [QUOTE]In John Henry's defense, it is important to note that they have almost finalized their plans to celebrate the Fenway 100th anniversary.
    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost[/QUOTE]
     
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    READ MY LIPS
    THE RED SOX ONLY HAVE ABOUT $10 mil. TO SPEND

    DOES TEAKUS HAVE A LINK THAT $10 MIL IN OCTOBER WAS WHAT PAPI WAS DEMANDING?

     
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    [QUOTE]Meanwhile, he's lost his closer, while the market grows smaller, as he waits for Madsen to sign for peanuts Actually, the amount of closers available relative to the number of teams that need one, is growing.  If we want Madson instead of Bailey, who's left to outbid us?
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    Actually the Phillies have said they would like Madsen back as the set up man for Paps...
     
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    Haha! Yeah it's not even close Zac. The Yanks went ice cold in a 4 game stretch that cost them. It happens. But no team has ever been up 9 games on Sept. 4th and not made the playoffs...ever! That was just truly horrific to behold. But a new year is upon us now. Looking forward to seeing your Yanks and my Red Sox slugging it out on the field of battle once more. Stay classy Zac!





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    [QUOTE]Actually, the greatest collective failure, whatever that means, in Baseball was accomplished by the Yankees in 2004 ALCS. let's see if I got this right JB the yankee team won the division and made it to the alcs and then had a bad week vs the future  WS champs and you think that's worse than loosing to baltimore   over and over and not making the PO please I mean unless you are saying   the yanks were better than the sox that yr and the O's were better than the sox this yr there's not even a debate
    Posted by pinstripezac[/QUOTE]
     
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    No news from the Evil Empire neither. Are the Steinbrenners and Cashman sitting on their hands too? Are they also being "penny wise and pound foolish"? They have revenues to justify a $300 mil. payroll and seem to be stuck at $202 mil. Where is the impatience of Zac and Jessey?
     
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    All at once...everybody say...


    WHO WOULDA THOUGHT THEY'D WIN IT AGAIN?!?!
     
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    [QUOTE]While Cherington must suffer the indignity of sitting on his hands while all legit free agents are snatched up, I assure you The Nation is far too sophisticated to hold him to blame for what Henry has decreed by his unwillingnes to spend. While John mopes about on his yacht all day, shedding tears for a spoiled brat he feels betrayed him, the Red Sox fans are left wondering when the big boys in charge are going to step up to the plate. One gets the distinct impression that Henry/Werner are perfectly content to tank this season, and try to lay it at Luchino's feet. He was the one who harped about Theo's ineptitude, and finally forced Henry+Werner to admit the truth. He is the convenient scapegoat for Theo's decision to leave a year early, though the fact that sheLackey was about to announce plans to miss the next 2yrs was probably a more important reason. So now Henry resents him, in a classic "shoot the messenger" response. Sheesh! Grow up already!! Give this team the tools it needs to compete. Cherington deserves better than to be ordered to sit in the corner and pretend, to a skeptical fan base, that he's truly trying to sign free agents and to field a winning team THIS SEASON. If this ownership group allows this team, so close to being able to compete, to fail, it will be a shameful act far more damaging to fan morale than last seasons epic collapse. And a restless Nation will be forced to ask the question: are we being taken for granted? Is the team with the highest ticket prices in all of baseball, just raised again THIS season, really unable to compete in the market against the likes of the Florida Marlins or Toronto Blue Jays? Puleeeeeeeeze! We do realize the Red Sox spent well for last seasons team. We get it. But we are 3-4 peices away from competing for a ring this season, and we categorically reject the notion that these can be filled on the cheap from within. Failure is NEVER and option for a true Red Sox fan, and it shouldn't be for the owners and management either. Oh, and if that makes us "difficult fans", then it's a tile we will bear with honor. It's who we are, and it's part of what makes us the best fans in baseball.
    Posted by Teakus[/QUOTE]

    We are fans and not owners. If they wish to stay under the $178 mil. threshhold then that is their right. They are taking risks that involve millions of dollars. Horray for you spending a few thousand at Fenway. Hopefully you go to be entertained and not guaranteed a lopsided win each game. They promise you a competitive team but don't guarantee you a WS trophy before the season starts. What fun would that be anyway? Try not to come across as a spoiled, enabled little boy fan. Keep repeating to yourself each day " I am just a fan and not the owner".
     
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    No news from the Evil Empire neither. Are the Steinbrenners and Cashman sitting on their hands too? Are they also being "penny wise and pound foolish"? They have revenues to justify a $300 mil. payroll and seem to be stuck at $202 mil. Where is the impatience of Zac and Jessey?--------Utica Club
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    If the Yankees did absolutely nothing, they'd still be set up to go into ST as the prohibitive favorite to defend their AL title. What do they really need to do that they can't fill internally?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to DOES JOHN HENRY TRULY BELIEVE HE CAN STAND PAT THIS OFF SEASON WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE? : We are fans and not owners. If they wish to stay under the $178 mil. threshhold then that is their right. They are taking risks that involve millions of dollars. Horray for you spending a few thousand at Fenway. Hopefully you go to be entertained and not guaranteed a lopsided win each game. They promise you a competitive team but don't guarantee you a WS trophy before the season starts. What fun would that be anyway? Try not to come across as a spoiled, enabled little boy fan. Keep repeating to yourself each day " I am just a fan and not the owner".
    Posted by UticaClub[/QUOTE]
    Without the fans ownership wouldn't have the ablities to buy and spend. Competitive team? We are bombarded with Red Sox though the magic of the Red Sox machine 24 -7 so the fan base expects from their marketing strategy a world series contender. The writer did not come across as spolied and enabled. You just don't get it. The owner owes the fans who fill the seats and pay very high prices for everything, much. He is a 1% and you are somewhere between condecending and clueless
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: DOES JOHN HENRY TRULY BELIEVE HE CAN STAND PAT THIS OFF SEASON WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE? : Without the fans ownership wouldn't have the ablities to buy and spend. Competitive team? We are bombarded with Red Sox though the magic of the Red Sox machine 24 -7 so the fan base expects from their marketing strategy a world series contender. The writer did not come across as spolied and enabled. You just don't get it. The owner owes the fans who fill the seats and pay very high prices for everything, much. He is a 1% and you are somewhere between condecending and clueless
    Posted by boissroy[/QUOTE]

    Boiss, there are many rational people who would say fiedling a team that includes Youkilis, Ortiz, Gonzalez, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Crawford, Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, Bard, and, last year, Papelbon, is putting some serious effort into giving the fans what they want.  That is a championship nucleus.  Those guys staying healthy, coming through, and surrounding them with the right fit peripheral players is something else.  

    But, while I am not saying that the FO has not made missteps, I do think it is a bit spoiled to think that the brass doesn't care about fielding a winning club.  I believe that many of you who are up in arms really don't give enough weight to the fact that it is just really difficult to get to the promised land in baseball.  There are no dynasties anymore.  Yes, it makes the late nineties Yankees clubs all the more special for their sustained success.  But that just doesn't happen anymore, regardless of the money thrown at the attempt.  Winning is elusive.  There are no LA Lakers or NE Patriots in baseball.

    I think more telling about the FO's intentions is that, though the club has not won the whole enchilada every year, it has been extremely competitive for the entire last decade.  If that is not ownership's commitment to success, i don't know what is.
     
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    I'm not bombarded by Red Sox marketing 24-7. I can watch a thousand other things, listen to a mountain of music choices. read a pile of books on my Kindle. On the Internet you can avoid anything about the Red Sox if you wish to. The owner should feel obligated to field a competitive team and they won 90 games this past season and missed the postseason by one game ( thanks to the collapse of those who were on the field). The owners did not pitch, field, or hit. The owners broke the bank on acquiring Crawford and Gonzalez last winter. It sounds to me that they made a very legitimate effort to improve the team. I fail to see your point that they were non-caring. Try to realize that there are 30 teams and only one wins the World Series. Are the other 29 failures?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: DOES JOHN HENRY TRULY BELIEVE HE CAN STAND PAT THIS OFF SEASON WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE? : Actually the Phillies have said they would like Madsen back as the set up man for Paps...
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    I serious doubt that they will spend $10M on a setup guy.
     
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    But who are you then Pike, or Utica, or whatever name you're posting under nowadays? Why the almost obsessive need to protect John Henry's wallet? Are you a Red Sox fan....or Henry's personal accountant? Whatever you are you are, as usual, on the wrong side of the issue. This team's too good and far to expensive to be allowed to fail because of a lack of will to spend a bit more. Who woulda thought losing two starters to Tommy John surgery, and having no closer and a crappy bullpen would cost money? Certainly not you, but that goes without saying...







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    [QUOTE]In Response to DOES JOHN HENRY TRULY BELIEVE HE CAN STAND PAT THIS OFF SEASON WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE? : We are fans and not owners. If they wish to stay under the $178 mil. threshhold then that is their right. They are taking risks that involve millions of dollars. Horray for you spending a few thousand at Fenway. Hopefully you go to be entertained and not guaranteed a lopsided win each game. They promise you a competitive team but don't guarantee you a WS trophy before the season starts. What fun would that be anyway? Try not to come across as a spoiled, enabled little boy fan. Keep repeating to yourself each day " I am just a fan and not the owner".
    Posted by UticaClub[/QUOTE]
     
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    I'm still waiting for a link or a source on what Teakus said about Ortiz being willing in October for two years for $20 mil. Since he elects not to respond, can anyone else back up this statement?

    I also think that the Steinbrenners have a right to draw the line when it involves being subjected to a 40-50 percent luxury tax. It is the proper way to run a business and what fan would want their owners practicing inept business decisions. Owners became rich enough to buy franchises because they were astute, efficient, and economical. Most are learned, highly educated, and hire similar people. They certainly didn't get there by spending foolishly and without a plan.
     

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