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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

    You left out Braun - The Hebrew Hammer.  I'm guessing he's not Latin.  and Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire.   and what was the name of the former closer the Sox picked up in 2007 for the stretch run - Eric Gagne?  Funny last name but I don't think it's Latin.

    and if we go beyond Baseball, does the name Lance Armstrong mean anything to you, or the American cyclist that took Olympic gold a few years ago and got stripped.  Marion Jones.  And the other American Sprinter that just got banned for track.

    and if you are talking about cheating in general, did you hear about the big cheating scandal at Harvard.  There could have been a few latins, but im guessing most weren't.

    certainly a lot of Dominicans have been caught,but Im guessing its because they come from the same system and not because of their last name.  

    the 3 biggest dopers in sports are 100% American, and 2 of them are white.  But you go ahead and point the finger at the latins.

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

    In response to DirtyWaterLover's comment:

    TCAL, you call ALL latins cheaters and feint innocence when you are called out.  You're worse than a dee bag.




     

    You’re reading to deeply into the headline.  If the original post wasn't deleted you would of seen I added Danny Almonte to the list just to lighten it up a bit.  Are kids in these countries being exploited and encouraged to take drugs by their families or agents?  Somethings going on.

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

    I agree with the sheriff, the headline is offensive.

     
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    You’re reading to deeply into the headline.  If the original post wasn't deleted you would of seen I added Danny Almonte to the list just to lighten it up a bit.  Are kids in these countries being exploited and encouraged to take drugs by their families or agents?  Somethings going on.

     

     

     seems like a legit question to me

    I did not see the OP

    but IMO the tittle question is only offensive to those looking to be offended

    rather than debate it

    don't know much about the other countries but

    people have been talking about the high rate of usage from the DR for years

    I guess your crime Tcal is you are profiling

     




     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

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    In response to tcal2-'s comment:

     

    You’re reading to deeply into the headline.  If the original post wasn't deleted you would of seen I added Danny Almonte to the list just to lighten it up a bit.  Are kids in these countries being exploited and encouraged to take drugs by their families or agents?  Somethings going on.

     

     

     seems like a legit question to me

    I did not see the OP

    but IMO the tittle question is only offensive to those looking to be offended

    rather than debate it

    don't know much about the other countries but

    people have been talking about the high rate of usage from the DR for years

    I guess your crime Tcal is you are profiling

     






    How about these for headlines:

    Does Italian = Mafia?

    Does Jewish = Cheapskate?

    Does Muslim = Terrorist?

    Does Homosexual = Child Molester?

     

    Again, I didn't see the OP, but if tcal wanted to engage in discussion, he could have led with "Why are 11 of the 12 players from Latin America?"  

     

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

    You know how many Latinos are in professional baseball?

    I don't, but I know it's a lot more than 12.

    Equating Latino with cheater is very offensive and brands the hundreds of innocent Latinos with the few cheaters.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

    OP may have a point, but the headline IS racial profiling at its best

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

    They never remove threads anymore- just posts.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

    If you believe that "Latinos = Cheaters" then you believe that  Ted Williams was a cheater.

     

     

     
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    If you believe that "Latinos = Cheaters" then you believe that  Ted Williams was a cheater.

     

     



    He was just half a cheater, mojo.  

    Kind of reminds me a Groucho Marx comment.  Groucho was at a swim club that didn't allow Jews in the pool.  In inquiring about his daughter he quipped, "She's only half Jewish.  How about if she goes in up to her waist?"

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    You know how many Latinos are in professional baseball?

    I don't, but I know it's a lot more than 12.

    Equating Latino with cheater is very offensive and brands the hundreds of innocent Latinos with the few cheaters.

    Sox4ever



    It's a headline.  It's purposely sensationalized to draw attention.  I just wish the OP, which was a simple list of the 13 names plus one extra along with their birth country, was left up.  

    If 12 out of 13 players are from a certain region then I'll make the leap and say that means a huge % of other players from that region are more then llikely doing the same thing.  I'm sure there are some very smart people in the Baseball front offices who have already had this discussion.

    So what does this mean?  Should Baseball be spending money in this region to educate the kids?  Should agents be regulated?  Are there any regulations?  If there is a culture of kids pumping themselves with PED's then something needs to be done to stop it.

     

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

    I assume the list of names you posted was the Biogenesis suspension list. In that case, the answer to your misguided question is "no." As others have pointed out, the vast majority of Latino players have not been shown to be cheaters, so assuming that someone is cheating simply because they have brown skin or speak Spanish is guaranteed to falsely accuse a lot of innocent people.

    The reason the majority of names on that list are latino is probably related to who is in the target market of Biogenesis, rather than some pseudo-sociological cause as you're suggesting.

    Take a look at this New Republic article for a fairly cogent argument about why "cultural determinism" is a poor model for understanding events:

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114100/asiana-crash-why-do-europeans-cause-so-many-train-crashes

     

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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

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    You know how many Latinos are in professional baseball?

    I don't, but I know it's a lot more than 12.

    Equating Latino with cheater is very offensive and brands the hundreds of innocent Latinos with the few cheaters.

    Sox4ever

     



    It's a headline.  It's purposely sensationalized to draw attention.  I just wish the OP, which was a simple list of the 13 names plus one extra along with their birth country, was left up.  

     

    If 12 out of 13 players are from a certain region then I'll make the leap and say that means a huge % of other players from that region are more then llikely doing the same thing.  I'm sure there are some very smart people in the Baseball front offices who have already had this discussion.

    So what does this mean?  Should Baseball be spending money in this region to educate the kids?  Should agents be regulated?  Are there any regulations?  If there is a culture of kids pumping themselves with PED's then something needs to be done to stop it.

     

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    You're William Hearst now?

    Try using solid content instead tabloid crap to generate interest.

    We've already got one tabloid "writer" (and I use that term loosely).

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

    I don't think a Political Mag is the best place to get unbiased info. but I'll scan the article later.

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?


    tcal - you made a racist post.  The sad thing is, even after it's been pointed out to you, you refuse to accept it.  Do yourself a favor and stop trying to defend it because it makes you look worse.  And go find a class on racism. 

     
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    In response to tcal2-'s comment:

    I don't think a Political Mag is the best place to get unbiased info. but I'll scan the article later.



    It's not offered for it's information; it's offered for the logic of it's argument. 

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

    While the the title is sensational at best Latin players have suspended at a much higher rate than non-Latinos. I don't have an answer for that but it is clearly a problem.

     
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    Re: Does Latino = Cheater?

    Just DESPICABLE the thought by this poster to profile like that.......  Just because the names are different........  Remember, there has been a lot of "home grown" guys that were worse than any of the 12 out of 13........  Again, just despicable !!!!!!

     

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