Dream team...who is on it?

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    Williams plays LF and bats 3rd on my team.


     


    Yaz and Pedey are on the bench.

     
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    Whom do I see as slam dunks on such a team?:


    No discussion at all:  2B - Hornsby, CF - Mays, RF - Ruth...maybe 3B - Schmidt....plus Name - Vandelay Industrials


    Little discussion:  C - Bench, 1B - Gehrig


    (As ever, that seems a bit heavy on history for whatever reasons....)


    P is tough....(relatively) SSS?  Pedro and Sandy, no doubt.  


     

     
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    Whom do I see as slam dunks on such a team?:


     


    No discussion at all:  2B - Hornsby, CF - Mays, RF - Ruth...maybe 3B - Schmidt....plus Name - Vandelay Industrials


     


    Little discussion:  C - Bench, 1B - Gehrig


     


    (As ever, that seems a bit heavy on history for whatever reasons....)


     


    P is tough....(relatively) SSS?  Pedro and Sandy, no doubt.  


     


     


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    Schmidt, Wagner, Hornsby, Gehrig, Bench, Williams, Mays, Ruth, Walter Johnson.  No debate.  Debates come w/ the remaining roster spots.  If you want to use a true DH, then it's Ortiz.....there's your starting 10.

     
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    Carew was never really a power hitter but could hit any pitcher anywhere, time or place.  Sandberg was the big bat at 2B.  I put my team together based on OBP, BA, SLG and who I liked best defensively at their positions that met all other criteria.  I was on the fence between Brett and Robinson at 3B because Brooks really made some great plays but wasn't the best defender at the position on paper.  Brett was a much better hitter but not a great defender.


     


     


     


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    That's why I like Schmidt. He was better defensively at 3B than Brett and a better hitter than Robinson.


     


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    Schmidt is a good choice too, I just can't bring myself to choosing any of the real old timers like Hornsby, Gehrig, Wagner etc. because I'm not sure how those type of players would fair in todays world.  A lot of changes since those days with a lot more quality pitching in my opinion but one could argue both sides and never really know for sure.


     


     


     


     

     
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    Schmidt, Wagner, Hornsby, Gehrig, Bench, Williams, Mays, Ruth, Walter Johnson.  No debate.  Debates come w/ the remaining roster spots.  If you want to use a true DH, then it's Ortiz.....there's your starting 10.


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    Your 9/10 is very close to mine.  But it raises the issue I touched on earlier re history:  Ignoring DH, 6 of the 9 started their careers pre-WW2, one in the early 50s, and two in the late 60s/early 70s.  Is it relevant in absolute terms? Not to me, I believe that is correct.


    But in relative terms it can't be right, can it?  Imagine an NFL Dream Team....would it be dominated by history so much?  How many "historical" players might be considered slam dunks or even close?  Jimmy Brown for sure....Unitas?  Butkus?  Nagurski?  Baugh?  NBA?  Shorter history, but who before the 70s would even be in the discussion?  Russell, Robertson, Chamberlain.....but what about Pettit, Schayes, Mikan, etc?


    I reckon it's that baseball was and remains so beloved and has changed so relatively little (esp. since 1920) that players from the distant past seem comparable to modern players.  Jesse Owens, Bobby Jones, Rod Laver (best-ever tennis player by far) and Joe Louis seem to get the modern nod along with baseball players....but so little respect/reverence for NBA/NFL.  Ice hockey a bit better, perhaps.


     

     
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    The #'s for my "givens" are so far away better than the next best guy that regardless of time period you gotta go w/ them.  And if there were ever a no doubter for a SP it's Walter Johnson.  400 Wins (2nd), 3,500 K's (I believe the first one to crack 3k).  Won 30 games 2x and 20+ games for 10 years in a row.  Had an ERA of 2.  Started 35 games every year and when he wasn't starting he pitched out of the pen on occasion (5 to 10x/yr).  Had a career WHIP of I think under 1.  Threw 300 Innings for like 10 years in a row.  300 IP.  10 times.  In a row!!!!!  80% of his starts were COMPETE GAMES.  8-0 percent.  No one will touch his career Shutouts - ever. 


    In 1924 he won ~25 games, batted .400 and then won the WS by pitching a CG in G6 and then came into a tie game in the 9th in G7 and pitched 4 shut out innings to win the WS.


     

     
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    Schmidt, Wagner, Hornsby, Gehrig, Bench, Williams, Mays, Ruth, Walter Johnson.  No debate.  Debates come w/ the remaining roster spots.  If you want to use a true DH, then it's Ortiz.....there's your starting 10.


     


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    Your 9/10 is very close to mine.  But it raises the issue I touched on earlier re history:  Ignoring DH, 6 of the 9 started their careers pre-WW2, one in the early 50s, and two in the late 60s/early 70s.  Is it relevant in absolute terms? Not to me, I believe that is correct.


     


    But in relative terms it can't be right, can it?  Imagine an NFL Dream Team....would it be dominated by history so much?  How many "historical" players might be considered slam dunks or even close?  Jimmy Brown for sure....Unitas?  Butkus?  Nagurski?  Baugh?  NBA?  Shorter history, but who before the 70s would even be in the discussion?  Russell, Robertson, Chamberlain.....but what about Pettit, Schayes, Mikan, etc?


     


    I reckon it's that baseball was and remains so beloved and has changed so relatively little (esp. since 1920) that players from the distant past seem comparable to modern players.  Jesse Owens, Bobby Jones, Rod Laver (best-ever tennis player by far) and Joe Louis seem to get the modern nod along with baseball players....but so little respect/reverence for NBA/NFL.  Ice hockey a bit better, perhaps.


     


     


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    Unitas, yes - another no brainer.   (Hey, I like Montana, Namath and Young as much as the next guy but come on.  Johnny Freakin Unitas - hands down)

     
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    My team would be


    1B- Carl Yastrzemski


    2B- Dustin Pedroia


    SS- Nomar Garciaparra


    3B- Wade Boggs


    LF- Ted Williams


    CF- Fred Lynn


    RF- Dwight Evans


    C-  Carlton Fisk


    DH- David Ortiz


     


    SP- Pedro Martinez


    SP- Roger Clemens


    SP- Curl Schilling


    SP- Luis Tiant


    SP- Jon Lester


    CL- Koji Uehera


     


    Manager- Terry Francona


    I think I will call them the Red Sox

     
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    My team would be


     


    1B- Carl Yastrzemski


     


    2B- Dustin Pedroia


     


    SS- Nomar Garciaparra


     


    3B- Wade Boggs


     


    LF- Ted Williams


     


    CF- Fred Lynn


     


    RF- Dwight Evans


     


    C-  Carlton Fisk


     


    DH- David Ortiz


     


     


     


    SP- Pedro Martinez


     


    SP- Roger Clemens


     


    SP- Curl Schilling


     


    SP- Luis Tiant


     


    SP- Jon Lester


     


    CL- Koji Uehera


     


     


     


    Manager- Terry Francona


     


    I think I will call them the Red Sox


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    nice!  :)

     
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    Whom do I see as slam dunks on such a team?:


     


     


     


    No discussion at all:  2B - Hornsby, CF - Mays, RF - Ruth...maybe 3B - Schmidt....plus Name - Vandelay Industrials


     


     


     


    Little discussion:  C - Bench, 1B - Gehrig


     


     


     


    (As ever, that seems a bit heavy on history for whatever reasons....)


     


     


     


    P is tough....(relatively) SSS?  Pedro and Sandy, no doubt.  


     


     


     


     


     


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    Schmidt, Wagner, Hornsby, Gehrig, Bench, Williams, Mays, Ruth, Walter Johnson.  No debate.  Debates come w/ the remaining roster spots.  If you want to use a true DH, then it's Ortiz.....there's your starting 10.


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    Pretty good .. the toughest omission is Cobb; Paige maybe too.

     
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