Drew makes a difference

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    Pedroia has had a better season because of him. You got a Rookie 3rd Baseman, who never really played the Position, in WS. Thats another trickle down effect from Drew.

    All the Sox Players affectionately call him Dirt. There's a reason for that.

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    No doubt.  Drew-Pedroia is one of the best DP tandems I have seen in a long time.  Smooth, and make bang-bang less-than-routine turns look easy.

     
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    Drew is batting .080/.233. That is, simply put, not good enough. He has been very solid defensively, and that PARTIALLY compensates for his offensive ineptitude, but he has not done a thing with the bat this postseason, especially in the WS. If Middlebrooks was hitting the ball I would have no hesitation to BENCH Drew in favor of Bogaerts-who is batting .294. He would do just fine at SS. He has been playing 3B which is not his natural position and has had some problems there that likely would not occur if he were at SS. If we choose to resign Drew next year it should be for ONE YEAR only as Bogey is our SS of the future, not Drew.

    They'd be benching Drew for Middy not Bogey.

    They'd be getting worse on defense at SS and maybe even 3B due to Middy funk.

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    I realize that, which is why I think Drew has to be in the lineup. Middy can't even play good defense. If he were hitting I would trade a slight reduction in defense at SS for a greater reduction in offensive ineptitude. Drew has been a Black Hole. He has been up in situations where he could have made a big difference in games and has failed repeatedly. For now, its either Middlebrooks or Drew, and I would choose Drew because he is better defensively at his position than Middlebrooks is at his position, though we do lose something with Bogaerts playing out of position at 3B vs WMB being there. I think Bogey is more comfortable at SS and would make the vast majority of the plays Drew makes.

     
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    Drew is just an average defensive SS

    He belongs on the bench tonight

    Middlebrooks on 3rd and Bogey at SS

    Wacha is great againt left handed pitchers

    Drew will be an automatic out again tonight.

    Hopefully he does not return next year

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    Wacha isn't facing any left handed pitchers tonight. And we are stuck with either Drew or Middlebrooks and Drew can play defense better than Middlebrooks. Why is it, do you think, that you are the only poster here suggesting Drew be benched?

     
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    Big brother had a pretty memorable game 6 granny.  sounds good to me!

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    If I recall properly that was the ALCS, not the World Series........

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    yes.  a game 6 nontheless.

     
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    Drew is just an average defensive SS

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    I guess you haven't been watching the postseason games.

     

     
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    Drew is just an average defensive SS

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    I guess you haven't been watching the postseason games.

     

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    Not just the postseason.

    Drew placed 7th in UZR/150 this regular season at SS.

     

     
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    IMHO the reason defensive doesn't get more credit is because there are so few metrics to quantify it. 

    Even the most casual fan knows that a person batting .325 is a better hitter than a person batting .275. It's pretty straight-forward.  When we go up the fandom scale a bit the more serious fans know about SLG %age and OBP and therefore recognize the value in OPS.  And so on up the scale until you get to the "hardcores" like Moon and Notin who recognize the intricacies of offensive metrics.  (Frequently beyond what I know, but I'm learning from others as I go along).

    Defensive metrics are another story, with so many variables it's difficult for many people to wrrap their brains around them.  Range factor and UZR are a bit subjective and therefore not as straight-forward, making them harder to understand.  When we talk about the number of plays we expect an average SS to make we're talking about expectations as well as what an average SS will do.  And if a SS gets to more balls than average, but makes more errors on those balls... is that a good thing or a bad thing? 

    If there were a way to say someone is a +10 SS we'd know that he's better defensively than a +2 SS and we'd have a hard number to work into this player's offensive numbers to determine his worth.  There isn't and I don't see any way there's going to be so outstanding defense is going to continue to be underrated (IMO) in favor of offense.

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    Good defense is like what Chief Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography.  "I can't define it but I know it when I see it."

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    Exactly right.  Sometimes, a player's value can be based on the good, old-fashioned eye test. And my eyes tell me Stephen Drew is a damn good defensive shortstop, the best we've had since at least Orlando Cabrera.

     

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    This is why I was telling everyone here that S.Drew is a defensive metric nightmare. Most of his numbers suggest hes not that good defensively, when in actuality hes an above average SS or better. Im not huge on defensive metrics. I understand them and use them to a point, but certainly do not make judgements based on just those numbers. Id rather see a player defensively to make that judgement.

    Although Drew isnt hitting right now (the life of a streaky hitter) we all know hes a 750-800OPS SS and thats well above the league average of about 670-80.

    Hes saved a number of runs this post season and He WILL get a big hit before its all over.

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    Oh, yes he did! And you've said this in a couple of threads. I think he heard you. Smile

     
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    Sweet homer by Drew.  His swing always looked good, it was just a matter of time

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    So happy for him. That had to feel good.

     
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    When Drew got back to the dugout after the home run you could hear him yelling:

    'What'd I tell you?  What'd I tell you?  What'd I say?'

    Napoli says Drew told him before the game he was going to hit a home run.

     
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    IMHO the reason defensive doesn't get more credit is because there are so few metrics to quantify it. 

    Even the most casual fan knows that a person batting .325 is a better hitter than a person batting .275. It's pretty straight-forward.  When we go up the fandom scale a bit the more serious fans know about SLG %age and OBP and therefore recognize the value in OPS.  And so on up the scale until you get to the "hardcores" like Moon and Notin who recognize the intricacies of offensive metrics.  (Frequently beyond what I know, but I'm learning from others as I go along).

    Defensive metrics are another story, with so many variables it's difficult for many people to wrrap their brains around them.  Range factor and UZR are a bit subjective and therefore not as straight-forward, making them harder to understand.  When we talk about the number of plays we expect an average SS to make we're talking about expectations as well as what an average SS will do.  And if a SS gets to more balls than average, but makes more errors on those balls... is that a good thing or a bad thing? 

    If there were a way to say someone is a +10 SS we'd know that he's better defensively than a +2 SS and we'd have a hard number to work into this player's offensive numbers to determine his worth.  There isn't and I don't see any way there's going to be so outstanding defense is going to continue to be underrated (IMO) in favor of offense.

    Edited to add:

    Good defense is like what Chief Justice Potter Stewart said about pornography.  "I can't define it but I know it when I see it."

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    Exactly right.  Sometimes, a player's value can be based on the good, old-fashioned eye test. And my eyes tell me Stephen Drew is a damn good defensive shortstop, the best we've had since at least Orlando Cabrera.

     

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    This is why I was telling everyone here that S.Drew is a defensive metric nightmare. Most of his numbers suggest hes not that good defensively, when in actuality hes an above average SS or better. Im not huge on defensive metrics. I understand them and use them to a point, but certainly do not make judgements based on just those numbers. Id rather see a player defensively to make that judgement.

    Although Drew isnt hitting right now (the life of a streaky hitter) we all know hes a 750-800OPS SS and thats well above the league average of about 670-80.

    Hes saved a number of runs this post season and He WILL get a big hit before its all over.

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    Oh, yes he did! And you've said this in a couple of threads. I think he heard you. Smile

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    He did!!! ;)

    You could feel it coming. Drew also told Naps he was gonna do it too.

     
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    good call by you Lefty.

    he crushed that pitch.

     
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    DREW!!!!!!

     
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    Weird to say this about somebody that hit .158 for the WS but a case could be made that after Ortiz, Lester, Ells and Pedey.......he probably had the biggest positive effect in this series.  The guy was a ROCK at the most important positions in the infield.  I fnot for his solid play this could have been a VERY different series.  Great job Drew!!!!  I kind of hope we can re-sign him for decent cash this offseason and keep Boggy at third.

     
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    Drew was a net plus this postseason.  That's all that matters.

     
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    Woohoo! Drew!


    Great to see both Drews get a ring with the Sox.

    Kingface12 is right, the guy was a rock at SS this year.

     
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    Yes, I am a Stephen Drew fan. Have been since we interviewed him in 2009. I was thrilled when he went bridge last night. He ended up with a .777OPS in the regular season, but went cold through the post season finally getting that big hit last night. All along playing stellar defense.  If they were to resign Drew, I would have no issue wearing a #7 Sox jersey.

     

     
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    It was great to see him so fired up, after cranking that HR.

     
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    That's it! He's got to be four feet in the air! Amazing.

    [/QUOTE] who said white guys can't jump?? Tongue Out Wink


     
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    Drew was a net plus this postseason.  That's all that matters.

    [/QUOTE]wait..who was the poster that used to say to Softy...FACE!? :-)


     
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