Ells, Pedey. AGon = GG

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    Re: Ells, Pedey. AGon = GG

    Remember, gold gloves are meaningless, Jeter has a bunch of them. I see Kemp won one of these meaningless gold gloves. I also see Crawford did not win one. Crawford won a gold glove, so I guess they'll give them to bad fielders. 
     
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    Ells, Pedey. AGon = GG

    HankWilliams won't be happy.
     
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    worthless or not, who can argue with these 3? All played each position extremely well this year, and had the UZR and eye test positives. WHile we did not see other players at each position every day, all 3 players were very worthy of the award. well done
     
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    Cano and Tex eat your hearts out!
    And here I thought that Ells was a mediocre CF and Cameron was our man (LOL).
     
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    In Response to Ells, Pedey. AGon = GG:
    [QUOTE]HankWilliams won't be happy.
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]

    You're right. Steve.

    Now that he can't sing, "Are ya ready for some football?"  he's taken to mean spiritedness elsewhere.

    I mean Jr. ... Daddy Hank - uh - well.

     
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    Notwithstanding the opinions anyone may bring forward regarding the true value of any award, to win one that has been in place by any organization for many years remains as an honor to the recipient. Having said that, congratulations to Ells, AGon and Pedey. Well done guys, we need some positive props, with out question.

    A special thanks to Ells for driving so many stakes into Softy during 2011 that he quite literally has been forced to focus on Tek and WakeSmile
     
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    Congrats to all the GG winners. 
     
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    All three are well deserved. They all produced at the plate , as well.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ells, Pedey. AGon = GG:
    [QUOTE]Remember, gold gloves are meaningless, Jeter has a bunch of them. I see Kemp won one of these meaningless gold gloves. I also see Crawford did not win one. Crawford won a gold glove, so I guess they'll give them to bad fielders. 
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    Prior to his horrendous 2011, I perceived Crawford as one of the better left fielders in the game.  And i saw a lot of him.  I don't know man.  In your drive to completely discredit certain players, you lose sight of anything positive about them.  Yes, Crawford was terrible in the field this past year.  But what actually made it so terrible was the inevitable comparisons between the bumbling, gaffe-prone Crawford of 2011, and the wide-ranging, sure-handed Crawford of yesteryear who was oft-seen robbing the Red Sox of runs.  I hated that Crawford.  That Crawford was certainly deserving of the Gold Glove.
     
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    congrats to the Sox(and MLB)GG winners.. and no, i won't be yelling "recount" at 1st and 2nd base :-)...props to Ellsbury, yet another nod to a special season...
     
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    Meaningless is correct. All these players have GREAT defensive stats. They don't need a GG to show how good they are. 

    Jeter doesn't. His numbers are well below average. GG is the only argument for him defensively. And a poor one. 

    -Daf. 
     
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    I think "meaningless" is a meaningless word when used in this way.

    Yes, many awards in sports are awarded to the wrong guy based on stats. How to measure good or great fielding is a much discussed topic. Errors alone do not tell the story. Range is the greatest asset of a top fielder. Crawford with his speed Ellsbury , Ichiro etc., will get to more flyballs than slower fielders. But occasionally a real speedy ( or someone with good range...the two go hand in hand) fielder will commit more errors. These would not be errors if the slower footed fielder was playing that position, they would be ruled hits, not errors.

    The NHL at one time based the Selke award for best defensive forward on +/- stats. This is not right as a player who scores a lot of goals will have more + and defensive specialists will not be on ice for many goals for and their +/- stats will suffer making them appear to be inadequate defensively. In NFL a quarterback that plays from behind all the time, will undoubtedly throw more interceptions, as he must take more chances late in games. Does this make him a bad quarterback?

    You can not simply award gold gloves to the guy with the fewest errors, this is not an accurate guage of a great fielder....so not "meaningless" but surely "flawed."
     
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    just because the wrong person wins a gold glove, and it is often a popularity contest does not mean that every pick every year is wrong and that person is a horrible defensive player.  My biggest issue was Ellsbury winning one,  I do feel he is an above average centerfielder, but not GG worthy....regardless congrats to them all. 
     
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    SO looking forward to saying this "SUCK IT SOFTY!"  . . . sheesh
     
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    these 3 guys played very well defensively, but would they've won it if they hadnt hit?

    long gone are the days when a player like Pokey Reese or Rey Ordoñez could win an award like this, now they give it to more all around players, at least it seems that way to me...
     
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    Re: Ells, Pedey. AGon = GG

    Hank - did you take your happy pills this week?
     
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