Re: Ellsbury and Bradley
posted at 7/12/2013 12:42 PM EDT
In response to trouts' comment:
Spend some time watching Ellsbury, and you'll see he still breaks slow on some balls or takes a longer route than necessary to the ball. This after 6+ years in MLB.
In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to darrylfries' comment:
Bradley as of now is not a better fielder than Ells .at this point. Spend some time watching Bradley he often breaks the wrong way on balls. Does a better job on bloops than balls hit over his head. This may improve once he gets familar with the Major League ballparks .Why try to spend money over the winter on another foolish contract like Vic's.? If we don't sign Ells we'l regret it next year is my guess.
I'll take JBJ on defense, not even counting the arm differential, right now, but it is a close call.
Ellsbury's arm is one of the worst I've seen since Damon.
I agree, the Victorino deal was not good. I'd rather have had that money to add on to an Ellsbury offer.
"Spend some time watching Ellsbury and you'll see he breaks slow on some balls or takes a longer route than necessary to the ball". What utter nonsense! I watch every game and I see him get excellent breaks on the ball and make great running catches. Some of the resident pooh-bahs at this site have long noted that he takes bad routes to the ball and I've always thought that that was a bunch of garbage by people who never played the game. Your intent seems to be to smear the guy when you say "Ellsbury's arm is one of the worst I've seen since Damon". He certainly doesn't have a great arm but it's nowhere as bad as Damon's.
I've played baseball for 20 years of my life. I was once one of Jacoby's biggest supporters and defended him against basher more than anyone else, except boom.
I have watched every play of every game since the early 1980s, many times 2 or 3 times on certain plays. I love defense, and have always tried to keep a keen and objective eye on our player's defense. I am not saying I am an expert or know more than you about baseball or CF defense. I did play CF for the last 2-3 years of my baseball career, and then some in softball.
Jacoby has improved a lot on defense since 2007-2008, particularly his breaks on balls, but in my opinion, he still gets some slow breaks or takes an initial wrong direction on more balls than he should at this stage of his career. From the small sample size I have seen on JBJ, and all the glowing scouting reports I have read, I am of the belief that he is a better CF'er than Jacoby right now, not counting the arm.
As for the arm, it certainly is close to as bad as Damon's, but I do not think it is worse, that's why I said "since Damon". Out of the 47 MLB CF'ers with 150+ innings in CF, fangraphs rates Jacoby's arm at #45. (He's 24th out of 26 with 400+ innings and last out of all CF'ers with 750+ innings.)
He's 11th out of 26 in overall UZR/150 in 2013. Since 2009, he is 13th out of the top 43 CF'er in UZR/150. That's very good, but not great. Interestingly, he is 43rd out of 43 in arm since 2009 at -12.7. He is 5th out of 43 in range, which is excellent and improved over his 2007-2008 numbers when he was 9th out of the top 46 in range (Crisp was #1).
Maybe Bradley will be an excellent Major League centerfielder one day but Ellsbury already is and I hope that he stays with the Sox for the rest of his career.
I'd love to have Jacoby for the next 4-5 years too, but not at the cost it will take to make that happen. With JBJ and Victorino able to play CF, the drop off in value is not as bad as the gains we can make in other areas with the money it would take to keep Ellsbury here.