Ellsbury and Pedroia

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    Ellsbury and Pedroia

    Pretty good one-two punch.  Before discussing how good, I would like to reiterate that right now the Sox have the best one-two-three-four-five punch in MLB:  Jake, Pedey, AGon, Youk, and Papi.  Plus Salty/Tek ain't too shabby as the catching tandem, and Crawford has had some good games too.

    Ellsbury and Pedroia have pretty similar numbers:  13 dingers apiece; Jake's 68 runs to Pedey's 63; Jake's .870 OPS to Pedey's .869; Jake's 52 rbi's to Pedey's 50; Jake's 120 hits to Pedey's 107; and so on.

    If you project those numbers out to a full season (and I multiplied their current numbers by 1.75, which assumes they will play about 159 games each), Pedey will hit 23 dingers, score 110 runs,  bat in 87 runs, and get 187 hits.  Jake would also get 23 dingers, plus 119 runs scored, 91 rbi's, and 210 hits.  Plus their OPS's would be right around .870.

    In 2008 Pedroia won the American MVP award when he had an OPS for the season of .869, plus 17 dingers, 118 runs scored, 83 rbi's, and 213 hits.   Those numbers are eerily similar to what I project for both Pedey and Jake.  Of course, Pedey also played great defense in 2008, plus it was somewhat of a down year for the big rbi guys, so he kind of snuck in there.

    My point is not that either guy is a candidate for AL MVP in 2011.  AGon right now is our best candidate.  But isn't it nice to realize what a high level our one-two punch is playing at--to say nothing of being followed by three other guys, AGon, Youk, and Ortiz, who are also having very good years. 

    And, of course, I have this ulterior motive.  Old softy continues to tell one and all that the Sox should dump Ellsbury as soon as possible because he can't hit lefties or plays centerfield like he's blindfolded or whatever.  So I kind of like the fact that, if Jake keeps this up, his 2011 numbers will be as good as or slightly better than Pedroia's were when he won the AL MVP.   

     
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    great post Max.  with our superior starting pitching and the best hitting in baseball, this is why we are pulling away from the pack in the AL East
     
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     And, of course, I have this ulterior motive.  Old softy continues to tell one and all that the Sox should dump Ellsbury as soon as possible because he can't hit lefties or plays centerfield like he's blindfolded or whatever.  So I kind of like the fact that, if Jake keeps this up, his 2011 numbers will be as good as or slightly better than Pedroia's were when he won the AL MVP.   
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    You're dreaming if you think 'numbers' will squash Softy's hatefest for Ellsbury.  
     
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    Squashing softy's hatefest is of course impossible, but squashing his reputation is not.  Thus every time he responds to a thread like this, he loses more and more credibility.  Funny thing is, I wouldn't mind getting a guy like Kemp if that were possible (it probably isn't), but I would use him to replace Drew, not Jake. 
     
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    Softy, AKA BillyBoy knows that Jake is a damn good ballplayer and it is really killing him. Right now he is just beating a dead horse and is very much in denial.
     
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    "And, of course, I have this ulterior motive.  Old softy continues to tell one and all that the Sox should dump Ellsbury as soon as possible because he can't hit lefties or plays centerfield like he's blindfolded or whatever."

    Don't forget that awful "reverse pivot" swing.
     
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    In 2009, there were folks complaining that these two were hitting too many flyballs. What happened to that complaint?
     
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    [QUOTE] Funny thing is, I wouldn't mind getting a guy like Kemp if that were possible (it probably isn't), but I would use him to replace Drew, not Jake. That's why you are stupid. Kemp replaces Drew/Cameron, Crawford replaces Bellsbury, and Reddick/Kalish replace #6 hitter 20M man Crawford. Take a look at the career log on Bellsbury's reverse pivot homer totals, double digits for the first time in his life. Crisp had back to seasons of 15 and 16 homers. This season doesn't make Bellsbury a bank 20 homer a year talent. Nor does it make him a career high OBP talent. Trade him while the slobber is still dripping from most Red Sox fans' chin. He will cost 12 to 14M over the next 2 years, invest the money in Kemp or similar profile.  Adding AGon behind Pedroia would make Wally's numbers spike. Pedroia is everything Ellsbury will never be. A leader, clutch performer, top defender, and huge team value. Pedroia would be delighted to see Ellsbury leave town, which isn't far away.
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]

    As promised, softy responds without addressing the facts:  if Ellsbury keeps this up, he will have a better year than Pedroia did his MVP year--at least in terms of offensive stats. 

    I agree that Pedroia is more valuable than Ellsbury in a lot of respects, but also think it makes no sense to chase LA's franchise player, who is probably unobtainable and would cost a bundle in terms of players and salary, and get rid of probably the best leadoff hitter in the AL and maybe all of MLB. 

    Also interesting that the more cornered softy feels, the more insulting he becomes and the more outlandish his comments are. 
     
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    Softy, where do you get the "scoop" that Pedroia would be delighted to see Ellsbury leave town? Or do you just make this crap up as you troll along? If he does cost the Sox between $10 and $14mil over the next two years his value will still be off the charts in today's baseball economy.

    I've conversed enough with you to know that you are not ignorant when it comes to baseball, although you do come across that way too often when you dig your heels in on positions that facts simply proof you wrong. But even you have to admit that Ellsbury is having a great year. And if you can't then you are clearly so blinded by your prejudices, and unwilling to ever admit being wrong, that further conversations are foolish and foolhardy.
     
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    By pulling away do you mean from the Yankees, who are one game back?
     
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    [QUOTE]Pretty good one-two punch.  Before discussing how good, I would like to reiterate that right now the Sox have the best one-two-three-four-five punch in MLB:  Jake, Pedey, AGon, Youk, and Papi.  Plus Salty/Tek ain't too shabby as the catching tandem, and Crawford has had some good games too. Ellsbury and Pedroia have pretty similar numbers:  13 dingers apiece; Jake's 68 runs to Pedey's 63; Jake's .870 OPS to Pedey's .869; Jake's 52 rbi's to Pedey's 50; Jake's 120 hits to Pedey's 107; and so on. If you project those numbers out to a full season (and I multiplied their current numbers by 1.75, which assumes they will play about 159 games each), Pedey will hit 23 dingers, score 110 runs,  bat in 87 runs, and get 187 hits.  Jake would also get 23 dingers, plus 119 runs scored, 91 rbi's, and 210 hits.  Plus their OPS's would be right around .870. In 2008 Pedroia won the American MVP award when he had an OPS for the season of .869, plus 17 dingers, 118 runs scored, 83 rbi's, and 213 hits.   Those numbers are eerily similar to what I project for both Pedey and Jake.  Of course, Pedey also played great defense in 2008, plus it was somewhat of a down year for the big rbi guys, so he kind of snuck in there. My point is not that either guy is a candidate for AL MVP in 2011.  AGon right now is our best candidate.  But isn't it nice to realize what a high level our one-two punch is playing at--to say nothing of being followed by three other guys, AGon, Youk, and Ortiz, who are also having very good years.  And, of course, I have this ulterior motive.  Old softy continues to tell one and all that the Sox should dump Ellsbury as soon as possible because he can't hit lefties or plays centerfield like he's blindfolded or whatever.  So I kind of like the fact that, if Jake keeps this up, his 2011 numbers will be as good as or slightly better than Pedroia's were when he won the AL MVP.   
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]
    Great post....and this team despite leading many offensive categories has still not clicked on all cylinders..
     
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    Karp, I assume he means that both the Sox and Yankees are pulling away from the rest of the field as both have the two best records in the AL and the 2nd and 3rd in all of MLB.
     
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    a career .295 hitter VS. LHP is WEAK for a left handed hitter huh???
     
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    [QUOTE] Funny thing is, I wouldn't mind getting a guy like Kemp if that were possible (it probably isn't), but I would use him to replace Drew, not Jake. That's why you are stupid. Kemp replaces Drew/Cameron, Crawford replaces Bellsbury, and Reddick/Kalish replace #6 hitter 20M man Crawford. Take a look at the career log on Bellsbury's reverse pivot homer totals, double digits for the first time in his life. Crisp had back to seasons of 15 and 16 homers. This season doesn't make Bellsbury a bank 20 homer a year talent. Nor does it make him a career high OBP talent. Trade him while the slobber is still dripping from most Red Sox fans' chin. He will cost 12 to 14M over the next 2 years, invest the money in Kemp or similar profile.  Adding AGon behind Pedroia would make Wally's numbers spike. Pedroia is everything Ellsbury will never be. A leader, clutch performer, top defender, and huge team value. Pedroia would be delighted to see Ellsbury leave town, which isn't far away.
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]

    What an idiot!
     
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    [QUOTE]2011 is not .295, not that his BA is what counts v. LHP on a team that has zilch OF OPS proficiency v. LHP.
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]

    oh so current year counts???

    Yet you used the exact opposite argument against Ellsbury and Crawford despite their rising OBP year by year and PREACHED they would stick to their career avg's.....yet when the numbers aren't convenient with Ellsbury you pull a 180

    And his career OPS between LHP RHP is different by .003. 

    Oh I'm sorry you won't to judge him by 120 ab sample size???

    Your a hater....everyone knows your a hater, and you sound like a broken record that can't stop playing the same tune. 

     
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    [QUOTE]Softy, where do you get the "scoop" that Pedroia would be delighted to see Ellsbury leave town? Or do you just make this crap up as you troll along? If he does cost the Sox between $10 and $14mil over the next two years his value will still be off the charts in today's baseball economy. I've conversed enough with you to know that you are not ignorant when it comes to baseball, although you do come across that way too often when you dig your heels in on positions that facts simply proof you wrong. But even you have to admit that Ellsbury is having a great year. And if you can't then you are clearly so blinded by your prejudices, and unwilling to ever admit being wrong, that further conversations are foolish and foolhardy.
    Posted by jidgef[/QUOTE]

    Because his bias ties in with his pathological need to feel he is right all the time, he is in fact ignorant when it comes to baseball. That's the result of his baggage.
     
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    [QUOTE]Barney Fwank hates me;) Hater!!!!
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]

    ???

     
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    [QUOTE]Softy, where do you get the "scoop" that Pedroia would be delighted to see Ellsbury leave town? Or do you just make this crap up as you troll along? If he does cost the Sox between $10 and $14mil over the next two years his value will still be off the charts in today's baseball economy. I've conversed enough with you to know that you are not ignorant when it comes to baseball, although you do come across that way too often when you dig your heels in on positions that facts simply proof you wrong. But even you have to admit that Ellsbury is having a great year. And if you can't then you are clearly so blinded by your prejudices, and unwilling to ever admit being wrong, that further conversations are foolish and foolhardy.
    Posted by jidgef[/QUOTE]

    Just like old man Murdoch yesterday in Parliament, time waits for no man.  The old "person of colour" lawyer poster has mentally declined.

    I wouldn't trust Murdoch to use a toaster by himself after yesterday's performance.
     
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    That's putting it mildly!
     
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