Ellsbury benched

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    ellsbury is the most exciting player in baseball and I still hearing idiots downplaying him for the most stupid reasons. IF ANYONE NEEDS A REST IT IS THE IDIOT MGR IN THE DUGOUT. IF ELSBURY NEEDS A REST LET HIM ASK FOR IT .IF FRANCOMA NEEDS A REST LET HIM GO TO MGR SCHOOL AND MAYBE HE COULD LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT RUNNING A TEAM . EXAMPLE bOSTONS GREAT  THREE- FOUR HITTERS WERE MANNY AND PAPI . WHY NOT NOW HAVE IT GONZO AND PAPI. YOUK IS A GREAT PLAYER BUT IS NOT THE HITTER OF EITHER OF THESE TWO
    Posted by badgealbert
    David - Manny was a LH - RH combo. A-Gon-Ortiz would be a LH-LH combo. Francona like to make situational pitching changes more difficult for his opponent. RS are putting up prolific numbers in the year of the pitcher so I just don't see the problem, unless you wanted to beat the Jays by 20-4 last weekend instead of the nail bitters we saw. :) 

    The RS use stats to make most of their decisions. Where Francona operates on "gut" is he belief that the more stable his line-up card is day-to-day the more "comfortable" he makes his hitters. That is an argument stat heads love to beat him up on.

    As far as resting Ellsbury, by the time a player asks it is often too late. He is dog tired, his performance has kicked him in the teeth and made him admit his competitive drive can no longer overcome the exhaustion. Bad habits have set in and a days rest no longer is enough to make that all go away. And like so many Francona complaints this is in the face of results to the contrary. The RS won the game Ells sat out and he hit a HR in his 1st AB the game after the rest.

    Just my takes
     
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    Nobody really gets why Softlaw hates Ellsbury so much.  It's a personal animosity that makes him twist the facts to fit his opinion.

    I think it's a combination of these 5 factors:

    1) Dared to go to college.
    2) Handsome "good 'ole boy" (Code for white).
    3) Someone compared him to Teddy way back when.
    4) His hero Coco was unseated (although he was for the Coco trade).
    5) Jake has repeatedly surpassed his ever rising benchmarks of quality making him look even more foolish than before (if even possible).
     
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     He is still here! In you! Bwa ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    He has great range and is a good fielder.

    False.

    He is what his career averages say he is, not what June 2011 comments say he is.

    It may end up a career year in some offensive metrics, after a year of down time, but it will not be a career year CFielding for this negative fielding CF profile. It will also not be a career year on base stealing percentage or hitting LHP.

    Fan favorite players almost never reflect skillset reality.
     
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    He has great range and is a good fielder. False. He is what his career averages say he is, not what June 2011 comments say he is. It may end up a career year in some offensive metrics, after a year of down time, but it will not be a career year CFielding for this negative fielding CF profile. It will also not be a career year on base stealing percentage or hitting LHP. Fan favorite players almost never reflect skillset reality.
    Posted by betterredthandead


    Since when does STEALING PERCENTAGE make or break a year?
     
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    "Handsome good ole boy code for white? What?
     
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    He is what his career averages say he is, not what June 2011 comments say he is.

    Then why use his 83 PAs vs LHPs to bash him this year, when his career OBP is higher vs LHP?
     
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    I used his 2011 June v. LHP to temper the silly euphoira about career highs and lows. It's about career averages.
     
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    Exactly. You move the goalposts to suit your position. Thanks for finally admitting it.

    Now, start using Wake and VTek's career numbers.
     
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    No, you prevaricate by mistating the premise. You need to admit what only the dim bulbs don't know.

    I don't use career averages for members of the AARP. Why don't you give us the career averages for Paul Byrd and Millwood.
     
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    Even hot players deserve an occasional day off.*

    * I stopped today in Jacoby Ellsbury's high desert hometown of Madras, Oregon, for gas and a milkshake. I spent Memorial Day weekend in a teepee at the resort on the Indian reservation where Ellsbury's father has worked.
     
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    Millwood?

    35 is in AARP?

    I guess that means Ortiz is AARP, now. 

     
     
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    How about Andrew Miller's ERA? Is that not worthy of comparison?
     
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    In Response to Re: Ellsbury benched : Isn't McD Black?
    Posted by tcal2-


    No, he's a clown.
     
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    Well almost any way you slice it Ellsbury is a pretty good player. But when I tuned in tonight and saw him leadoff with a hit I just had look up his stats and splits.

    This year when he is in the leadoff spot in the order he has .386 OBP. Leading off the game .400. Leading off an inning .385.

    Career wise since we wish to dispute a 265 PA sample set he has a .340 OBP when used as the 1st man in the order. Not great but given his base stealing abilities not awful.

    Now just why a guy who is a career OBP .334 with a career OBP of .319 when he is the 1st man in the batting order and this year has a .275 OBP on a 277 PA total sample set would be better than Ellsbury?

    There are only a few possibilities:

    Somebody is too prideful to admit a player exceeded their expectations?

    Somebody is a contrarian who would rather make silly arguments than admit the above?

    Somebody does not know what they are talking about?

    Somebody is trolling for personal entertainment?

    All of the above?

    At a minimum anybody who really cared about how the RS did would at least be happy about the way Ellsbury has been playing, even if they believed it was just a hot streak.

    Don't feed this guy...







     
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    I vote for:

    Somebody does not know what they are talking about.

    ...and that somebody is softy the clown.

     
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    Maybe Crisp isn't selling insurance on the street of LA, and you don't know what you are talking about.

    Definitely career averages are there for a reason. Maybe you should take a look at those and the defensive metrics. Maybe you are a prideful fan who won't admit Bellsbury was, is and will always be overrated.
     
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    He has great range and is a good fielder. False. He is what his career averages say he is, not what June 2011 comments say he is. It may end up a career year in some offensive metrics, after a year of down time, but it will not be a career year CFielding for this negative fielding CF profile. It will also not be a career year on base stealing percentage or hitting LHP. Fan favorite players almost never reflect skillset reality.
    Posted by betterredthandead

    DEREK JETER?
     
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    Maybe Crisp isn't selling insurance on the street of LA, and you don't know what you are talking about. Definitely career averages are there for a reason. Maybe you should take a look at those and the defensive metrics. Maybe you are a prideful fan who won't admit Bellsbury was, is and will always be overrated.
    Posted by betterredthandead


    And by "overated" you mean a net positive, cause that's exactly what he is for the Red Sox. 
     
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    Well, before the year started Jacoby had this career line:
    .291/.344/.405/.749

    Now, his career line is up to:
    .294/.348/.416/.764

    He is entering his prime years now and certainly could continue or even improve on his 2011 numbers for another 2.6 years...

    .311/.370/.471/.842

    He's on pace for 48 Dbls and 18 HRs, 78 RBIs and 115 Runs.

    I'd love to see his OBP get up to .380 and stay there.
    The SB% falling to 73% and running into too many outs is certainly an issue, but at .370+ it is minimized.

    His fielding has improved slightly, but he still needs to play in more and get better jumps on the balls, as well as take better angles.  

    Overall, Jacoby has been a huge positive this year. His .384 OBP in the leadoff slot is better than we have had in many many years.
     
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    The average 2011 OBP for AL leadoff hitters is currently .323. 
     
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    How many are above .384?
     
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    How many are above .384?
    Posted by moonslav59

    DEREK JETER!
     
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    How many are above .384?
    Posted by moonslav59

    DEREK JETER!

    Look again: Jeter is at .324 this year and was at .340 in 2010.
     
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