Ellsbury best leadoff hitter in the AL?

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    So unlike Softlaw I follow baseball. Checking out the league leaders a couple interesting things Adrian Gonzalez is second in the league in hits and has play one less game the the league leader. Ellsbury is 5th. And other than Ichiro(who should bat third) has more hits than any leadoff hitter. He also has less atbats than Ichiro and a higher OBP. It is safe to say he is better than Ichiro, right now. Ellsbury also leads all leadoff hiter in OBP and is tied for the league lead in steals. This could be the year Ellsbury takes the step to All-Star.
     
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    [QUOTE]So unlike Softlaw I follow baseball. Checking out the league leaders a couple interesting things Adrian Gonzalez is second in the league in hits and has play one less game the the league leader. Ellsbury is 5th. And other than Ichiro(who should bat third) has more hits than any leadoff hitter. He also has less atbats than Ichiro and a higher OBP. It is safe to say he is better than Ichiro, right now. Ellsbury also leads all leadoff hiter in OBP and is tied for the league lead in steals. This could be the year Ellsbury takes the step to All-Star.
    Posted by BosoxJoe5[/QUOTE]
    Cleveland leadoff hitter Michael Brantley entered Wedesday's games with an on-base percentage (.377) that was 19 points higher than Jacoby Ellsbury's. Brantley is three-and-a-half years younger than Ellsbury.

    Toronto leadoff hitter Yunel Escobar entered Wednesday's games with an on-base percentage of .371.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Ellsbury best leadoff hitter in the AL? : Cleveland leadoff hitter Michael Brantley entered Wedesday's games with an on-base percentage (.377) that was 19 points higher than Jacoby Ellsbury's. Brantley is three-and-a-half years younger than Ellsbury.
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]
    What type of deodorant does Brantley use? Does he wear boxers or briefs? I need to know every difference between him and other leadoff hitters to make a proper judgement.
     
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    majorleague / GM  is hating life  :)
     
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    [QUOTE]So unlike Softlaw I follow baseball. Checking out the league leaders a couple interesting things Adrian Gonzalez is second in the league in hits and has play one less game the the league leader. Ellsbury is 5th. And other than Ichiro(who should bat third) has more hits than any leadoff hitter. He also has less atbats than Ichiro and a higher OBP. It is safe to say he is better than Ichiro, right now. Ellsbury also leads all leadoff hiter in OBP and is tied for the league lead in steals. This could be the year Ellsbury takes the step to All-Star.
    Posted by BosoxJoe5[/QUOTE] I agree 100%
     
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    Right now, considering all the data Ellsbury is certainly one of the top lead off guys in the AL. His data particularly from the leadoff position is great this year.

    I don't put a lot of credence in small sample sizes in different batting order spots but there you have it. He looks like he is fine leading off innings.
     
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    Cleveland leadoff hitter Michael Brantley entered Wedesday's games with an on-base percentage (.377) that was 19 points higher than Jacoby Ellsbury's. Brantley is three-and-a-half years younger than Ellsbury.

    Toronto leadoff hitter Yunel Escobar entered Wednesday's games with an on-base percentage of .371

    Ah, yes, the pesky facts. Bellsbury is not better than Ichiro, in early May of a long season. Bojo5 doesn't follow baseball, he is infatuated with Bellsbury. Bellsbury has weak splits against LHP this year, as well as an OBP that is one of the lowest of the everyday players on the team. He's a weak defensive CF'er and has always been all about hype without substance. This has been the propaganda going on for years. His time with the Red Sox will soon come to an end. There will be no extension nor will the Red Sox give him a golden parachute contract.

    His OBP, in this "break out" All-Star year his current OBP is .356 and his BA is .292. As Hill points out, there are currently several more worthy candidates.

    Ellsbury has a career OBP of .345, and is currently riding a hot streak that still isn't impressive as the hype he's getting from it. .356 OBP during a hot streak is hardly better than Ichrio. Get real.

    Ellsbury has a career leadoff OBP that is .335

    Ellsbury has a career batting 1st in a game OBP that is .323

    Ellsbury has a career leading off an inning OBP that is .314

    These are big samples and are proof of what the overhyped Ellsbury's potential limitations are.

    Popularity had a way of leaving off Ellis Burks from the "best Rookie impact" list, and it has a way of pretending that Bellsbury is a player he is not.

    Burks was a gold glove winnner and 3 time All-Star who was not ever popular in bean town. Ellsbury will never, ever possess the talents and abilites of Burks, but has already been hyped to be a lot better.

    As Hill has pointed out and the facts bear out, Ellsbury is most certainly not "the beest leadoff hitter in the AL. In fact, with a .310 OPB v. LHP he should be platooned as he then has more value as a pinch runner and his sub-standard defense in CF is upgraded on the days that he sits.

    Note, Bellsbury failed to reach base by hit or walk in tonight's game. He was hit by a wild pitch and failed to advance.
     
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    Ellsbury is hitting 50 points higher than Pedroia but has a slightly lower OBP.  While it's true that so far Ellsbury has contributed more to the offense overall than has Pedey, ideally you want the leadoff man to have the higher OBP. Pedey will hit.  Ellsbury would help the club even more if he could boost his OBP into the .370's.
     
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    Ellsbury will end the season somewhere at or very close to his career OBP average. His best year was 2009, around where it is now.
     
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    He's one of the if not, the best.  There isn't much separation between the guys at the top.  When Ellsbury gets on base though, there's nobody better.
     
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    He's definately our best leadoff man so far this year. 

    -Daf. 
     
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    [QUOTE]He's one of the if not, the best.  There isn't much separation between the guys at the top.  When Ellsbury gets on base though, there's nobody better.
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988[/QUOTE]
    This season Jacoby Ellsbury has stolen 13 bases and been caught stealing 4 times (the same numbers posted by Oakland leadoff hitter Coco Crisp).

    Elvis Andrus, who typically hits second in the Texas lineup, has stolen 13 bases without getting caught.

    Angel leadoff hitter Erick Aybar has stolen 10 bases without getting caught while Seattle leadoff hitter Ichiro Suzuki is 11 and 3 and Toronto's Rajai Davis 12 and 3.
     
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    In the #1 spot he has a .376 OBP. Not sure how that compares to the others but that's pretty solid right there.
     
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    Ellsbury is tied for third on the team in rbi's and is second behind a very hot Gonzlez in runs scored and is tied for the AL lead in steals with 13. 

    I don't think he's the best leadoff hitter in the AL, but he is certainly the best on the Sox. 

    He also has the 5th best OPS on the team--well ahead of the other four outfielders.

    majorleague thinks that outfielders get the big bucks to catch the ball and throw the ball, so his paragons are Cameron and Drew, both of whom are over the hill as hitters. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ellsbury best leadoff hitter in the AL? : This season Jacoby Ellsbury has stolen 13 bases and been caught stealing 4 times (the same numbers posted by Oakland leadoff hitter Coco Crisp). Elvis Andrus, who typically hits second in the Texas lineup, has stolen 13 bases without getting caught. Angel leadoff hitter Erick Aybar has stolen 10 bases without getting caught while Seattle leadoff hitter Ichiro Suzuki is 11 and 3 and Toronto's Rajai Davis 12 and 3.

    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    LOL...but when has mongo the fanboy ever let facts get in the way.

     
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    If these nitpicking "fans" discredit/harbor so much disdain for our players why follow the team?  If you even like the Red Sox, who should be playing for the Olde Towne 9?

    Thank god Ells is having the kind of start he's having.  If he wasn't playing this well, we wouldn't have a leadoff hitter and we'd certainly have fewer wins.

    Ellis Burks was a 3/4 hitter whose career blossomed certainly in part due to going to CO.  Good for him.  But he is not a comp w/ Jake. 

     
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    why all the hate (and mispelling) of Ellsbury?

    and why do so many "fans" seem so miserable?
     
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    [QUOTE]why all the hate (and mispelling) of Ellsbury? and why do so many "fans" seem so miserable?
    Posted by sgtnull[/QUOTE]
    Not to mention the misspelling of misspelling.
     
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    to answer the OP'S question "is it safe to say he is better than ichiro right now?"
    no, it's not safe to say; actually, it's stupid to say that. awfully, awfully stupid.

     
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    Majorleague / GM

    With his speed, glove, & hitting, Ells is one of the best all around offensive & defensive center - fielders in the majors!!!  You name it....  RBI's, runs scored, OBP, slugging, steels, disrupting the pitcher's game once on base, running down balls in the outfield, quick to the ball on gap hits, etc. etc. etc.  Ellsbury is IMO one of the BEST, if not THE BEST ALL AROUND center fielders in the majors......
    Take into account the up side due to his age & learning curve, I am confident this kid is going to be an ALL STAR for many years to come!  When you factor in what he has meant to this team, especially THIS YEAR & THE 2007 WS, he is a candidate for MVP!!!  YES!  A-Gon will hopefully be a shoe in for that by year's end, but other than A-Gon, Ells would be running away with it...........

    Guys like Gm / Majorleague get SO EMOTIONALLY committed to the ultimate demise of guys like Ells & Lowrie simply because THEY MADE THE EARLY PREDICTION that these guys were sub par, & THEY CAN'T EVER ADMIT TO BEING WRONG!!!!!  This tendency toward such a narcissistic NEED TO BE RIGHT eclipses their ability to be a TRUE Red Sox Fan!  This is NOT TO SAY that a Red Sox fan can't be critical of any RS player!!! 

    Being critical of guys like Dice-K, Lackey, etc. is certainly understandable, given their track records & current situations.....  However, ANY OBJECTIVE FAN would plainly see that Ells. HAS the skills & track record (leaving aside the lost 2010 injury season) to be considered a "blooming" ALL STAR center-fielder for many years to come.  The pathology of a guy like majorleague / GM will simply not allow him to admit what is obvious to most! 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ellsbury best leadoff hitter in the AL? : This season Jacoby Ellsbury has stolen 13 bases and been caught stealing 4 times (the same numbers posted by Oakland leadoff hitter Coco Crisp). Elvis Andrus, who typically hits second in the Texas lineup, has stolen 13 bases without getting caught. Angel leadoff hitter Erick Aybar has stolen 10 bases without getting caught while Seattle leadoff hitter Ichiro Suzuki is 11 and 3 and Toronto's Rajai Davis 12 and 3.
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    Hill55, are you sure you aren't Softy's cousin when it comes to Ellsbury? You are like a fire house whenever anyone posts anything positive about Ellsbury! Tongue out

    That's a low blow for a quality poster like you. Sorry! It's just that you always seem to go out of your way to put Ellsbury down. I agree that often the enthusiasm here is unrealistic about Ellsbury but he is potentially an all star this year IMO. It could happen. He is trending up.

    For example, Crawford has been a multiple GG winner defensively in LF. Personally, I'd take Ellsbury in a heartbeat in Fenway's LF compared to Crawford. Fenway hurts a lot of guys UZR/150 data. Who wants to crash into a wall of tin all the time? They have to deal with not knowing how high up on the wall the ball will go. It's a tough decision sometimes. It affects the data. CF is very deep and Ellsbury plays deeper than normal maybe because that is where the manager wants him to play. The data indicates that the biggest problem with his UZR numbers is the short flies to CF. Playing deeper kills his defensive numbers.

    Ellsbury does have a proven record by now in one thing though, over the years he's played, of being a prolific, high percentage steal guy. He is definitely one of the best base stealers in baseball in the past few years, when he has actually been on the field and not injured. There are others who have put up similar numbers but 70 steals in 2009 with what 10-12 CS was great. We should at least give him his due as a tremendous base stealer on a team which is not small ball oriented. He sometimes doesn't steal simply because of the score of the game and the more HR oriented attack. He is a GREAT base stealer. We should at least give him his due in that department.
     
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    I have to take off my fan hat to say "No, not the best leadoff in the AL."  The best leadoff option for the Sox, though, and a heck of a player.  He is at an interesting point in his career right now ... especially given the lost year that was 2010.  It will be interesting to see if he will mature into a more patient hitter (++OBP) and if XBH's increase.  If so, he can become elite, but we'll just have to wait and see if that actually comes to pass.
     
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    Boras concurs
     
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    Despite his current hot streak, Bellsbury is not in the top 2 on AL CF'er WAR, so he's not even the best value despite having the benefit of the CBA on contract arbitration.


    ????
     
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    Re: Ellsbury best leadoff hitter in the AL?

     I don't know whether Ellsbury is the best leadoff hitter in the AL, but I have noticed that he has as many RBIs (19) as David Ortiz. That's kind of an odd stat.
     
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