Ellsbury Excelling at Leadoff Position

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    When he’s on base, we look like a different team. … With Jacoby’s speed and the way he uses the whole field, he should be able to stay away from those dry spells. He’s so fast, and he has the ability to use the whole field.”

    Well, Ellsbury was on base tonight and it didn't look like a "different team". The fact is that the sluggers are the ones that deliver the bacon, not the scatbacks. The sluggers had a goose egg night, it happens.

    Tito, take a close look at Ellsbury's career OBP when leading off an inning. Talk him up, and remember, your club owe's Crawford 142M so you might want to think about trading this "game changer" before next season.
     
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    When Ellsbury puts up even better numbers this year than he did in 2009 Softy will have a new name iteration already in place.
     
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    Ellsbury has had trouble getting on base both as a leadoff hitter in an inning and in the leadoff slot of a batting order. Perhaps that will change as he enters his prime.

    However, the guy you were screaming for to lead off isn't much better:
    Crawford:
    first up in game: .315 (Ellsbuty .320 career/.325 in '09)
    leading off any inning: .336  (Ells .308/.316)
    In leadoff slot of gm: .319     (Ells .331/.347)
     
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    It's about the career numbers, not April numbers. Telling Crawford he's a #3 hitter on this team was malpractice. Crawford will recover. If this was July 1, Theo might need to start looking for a new job. And remember, Ellsbury's current OBP is trailing nearly everyone except Crawford and the split-time fill-ins. The sluggers aren't slugging with RISP, and that won't last.
     
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    Ellsbury picked off 2nd, not excelling at baserunning.
     
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    [QUOTE]Ellsbury picked off 2nd, not excelling at baserunning.
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    The umpire got the call wrong. Ellsbury was clearly safe.
     
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    [QUOTE]Ellsbury picked off 2nd, not excelling at baserunning.
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    Definitely a baserunning mistake.  However, to be correct, he was doubled off second.  Picked off would be a throw from the pitcher or catcher as a result of him leading off.
     
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    If you look at the replay, Ells was actually safe.
     
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    It's about the career numbers, not April numbers...

    I posted career numbers (and Ellsbury's 2009 numbers as well)

    In leadoff slot of gm: Crawford .319     (Ells .331 career/.347 '09)

    First up in game:         Crawford .315 (Ellsbuty .320 career/.325 in '09)

    Leading off any inning: Crawford .336  (Ells .308 career/.316 '09)

    Since Ellsbury hit LHPs better than Crawford, it's a no brainer he should lad off those games. Crawford is much better vs RHPs and should lead off those games. Overall, they are both pretty close.


     
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    Ellsbury is hitting .389 (14-for-36) over an eight-game hitting streak he carried into Saturday night's game with the Mariners at Fenway Park. That's the longest streak for any Red Sox hitter so far, and it's kept him at the top of the lineup, a spot he was removed from earlier in the season.

    "It's a short, quick stroke," manager Terry Francona said. "He hasn't been afraid to hit deep into the count. There's been a few strikeouts because of it, but he's worked the count real well."

     
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    If you look at the replay, Ells was actually safe.

    No, "Ells" was actually out, and it was a terrible baserunning blunder in that situation.

    Slav, you are the same guy posting splits and selected stat snipets that say Ortiz should sit v. LHP.

    "Picked off" is getting picked off a bag. Ellsbury was pitcked off, but I see your captious point.
     
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    It's about the career numbers, not April numbers. Telling Crawford he's a #3 hitter on this team was malpractice. Crawford will recover. If this was July 1, Theo might need to start looking for a new job. And remember, Ellsbury's current OBP is trailing nearly everyone except Crawford and the split-time fill-ins. The sluggers aren't slugging with RISP, and that won't last.

    congrats GM,  You have officially gone pathological!!!!!

    I have to admire you though.......  Even in the face of solid empirical data, you press on with your ill conceived thesis!!!

    You remind me of the Democrats & Obama who continue to tell us how all their spending has helped the economy!  :)
     
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    So, other than sounding foolish, bashing one of the few guys on the team who is consistently hitting & currently on a nice 9 game streak, do you have an intelligible point?!?!?!?!

    25 years from now, when Els is in the Hall of Fame, I'm sure you'll still be scouring the stat sheets for a hole in his game! 

    LOL :)   You crack me up GM
     
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    Ahhhhhh!   Ahhhhhh!   Come on GM, start lookin..........  We know you can find some obscure stat to hang your hat on :)   That's it,  come on........

    Ohhhh?  Found one??????

    At a boy!   Now post it!  :)

    Now rush back to the bathroom.......
     
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    "Even in the face of solid empirical data, you press on with your ill conceived thesis!!!
    You remind me of the Republicans who continue to tell us how the deficit is entirely someone else's fault! "

    ^^^Fixed your post ;)

    FWIW, I won't argue that one party is better than the other.  But the idea of the Republican party being the standard bearer of fiscal prudence is simply too much.  There are no fiscally prudent politicians.  Period.

    Oh, and Ells is looking pretty good.  I'd like to see an OBP north of 360 from our lead-off guy but he's heading in the right direction and the rate at which he's hitting doubles is encouraging.
     
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    This is the year Ellsbury breaks out IMO. His stats were trending upward from 08-09 and I believe after a lost year to injury, Ells will continue on that upward trend in 2011. He's coming into his prime years and it will be exciting to watch such a good talented ballplayer for the next 2+ years, and hopefully more.
     
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    baseballgm, formerly softlaw, can be depended upon to provide his own unique slant. 

    First, Ellsbury wasn't "picked off."  It was a force out at second from a liner to the secondbaseman.  Ellsbury was nowhere near halfway to 3B when the ball was hit.  Why?  Because the secondbaseman threw the ball immediately to the SS and Ellsbury almost beat it.  These kinds of double plays happen all the time because runners are supposed to be thinking about getting to the next base, not staying next to the one they are on. 

    Second, Ellsbury leads the team in runs scored with three more than the next best.  His average and OBP are rising, and last night he stole a couple bases to get himself into position to score.  My prediction is that he will contribute more to the offense this year than Crawford.  Also more than Drew, but that won't take much because Drew is all about style, plus he is a very good defensive rightfielder with two outfield assists already. 
     
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    [QUOTE]" Even in the face of solid empirical data, you press on with your ill conceived thesis!!! You remind me of the Republicans who continue to tell us how the deficit is entirely someone else's fault! " ^^^Fixed your post ;) FWIW, I won't argue that one party is better than the other.  But the idea of the Republican party being the standard bearer of fiscal prudence is simply too much.  There are no fiscally prudent politicians.  Period. Oh, and Ells is looking pretty good.  I'd like to see an OBP north of 360 from our lead-off guy but he's heading in the right direction and the rate at which he's hitting doubles is encouraging.
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    111SoxFan111,

    Don't want to get too far afield of the issue at hand.  That being that Els is absolutely gonna tear it up this year!!!!!!!  :)

    Just want to disabuse you of the notion that I give exclusive rights to the Dems. with respect to running budget deficits.  To the contrary, Bush did a great job of spending like a drunken Democrat :)  Hope that didn't sound too partisan, as I have sworn off politics on this site!!!!  :)

    BACK TO THE BIG PICTURE!!!!!!!   :)   BASEBALL!!!!!!  RED SOX!!!!!!!

    One would literally need to be blind not to see Els.'s natural abilities combined with superior baseball skill.  He IS the prototype center-fielder at Fenway.  What with ALL THAT SPACE to cover in center field, Elsbury's speed and athletic abilities gives him THE ADVANTAGE over MOST centerfielders.  Contrary to popular belief, his arm is more than adequate!

    His big contributions to ANY SANE TEAM, GM, & especially the Red Sox, are at the plate & on the bases.  His bat speed is amazing, even for 99% of all MLB players.  His ability to make contact & protect the plate is also in the top percentiles.  The power that he generates from his superior bat speed makes him a constant threat for the long ball!!!  Once on base, he reeks havoc on the opposition, especially when it comes to breaking up a pitchers rhythm & concentration on the hitter.........

    Perhaps this year, but certainly in the near future, this kid is going to break out as a superstar!!!!!

    THE RED SOX WILL BE MAKING A HUGE MISTAKE IF THEY DO NOT TRY TO WRAP THIS KID UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!! 
     
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