Ellsbury for Kemp?

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    Ellsbury for Kemp?

    Sox need a guy with some character and Kemp could be that player.

    Would you do this trade?

     
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    Sox need a guy with some character and Kemp could be that player. Would you do this trade?
    Posted by beavis
    No. And LA is not going to trade Kemp. His character tends to be dumb on the baseball field.

     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    No. 

     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    no. But I'd do Crawford for Kemp!

     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    I wanted to do this all last year when LA put out feelers on Kemp. That ship has sailed as he's back to performing at an elite level.

    So, in a word; Yes.
     
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    Sox need a guy with some character and Kemp could be that player. Would you do this trade?
    Posted by beavis

    What is character to you? Matt Kemp is the closest thing MLB has to Milton Bradley now that the latter is gone.
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    No, the Sox should stick with Ellsbury. I also don't see why the Dodgers would want to trade Kemp for Ellsbury,
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    Why would either team do this deal?
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    Hell no.

     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    OMG this is NOT going to happen.  There is talk about L.A. having a sell-off, yes that is true.  Why in the world, if trying to cut payroll, would they want to trade Kemp, whos under control for next season for Ellsbury who's a Boras agent player who is also due for a big contract soon???

    I'm not saying that they wouldn't want Ellsbury, only that considering all the elements, Ellsbury would hold very little trade value with L.A. which would make trading him there.....stupid, very stupid.

    It would be much more plausible to suggest trading Ellsbury for prospects which in turn could be flipped with perhaps a prospect or two of our own for Kemp. 
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

     Why in the world, if trying to cut payroll, would they want to trade Kemp, whos under control for next season for Ellsbury who's a Boras agent player who is also due for a big contract soon???

    Kemp is making $7.1M and has one arb left.

    Ellsbury makes $2.4M and has two arb years left.

    LA would save about $2M this year and maybe $4M next year in arb award differential, and have an extra year with Jacoby.
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    Yes true, which does make Ellsbury valuable to them, but by how much?  

    The Contract Ellsbury will want, and seeing how he is Boras client, and is still relatively close to free agency (like you said only 1 year more than Kemp) make him not so attractive to L.A.   If I was L.A. I wouldn't take Ellsbury unless he came with a top prospect + 

    I could be wrong here, but in terms of a team looking to reduce payroll and potentially have a fire-sale...the trade just doesn't seem to match up. 
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    If Frank was some how able to keep the Dodgers it is a move he might make, might. But it isn't where the Dodgers should trim payroll.

    Bad trade for LA and frankly not great for Boston if you have to play Kemp in CF. He doesn't belong there, he ended up there because of the Manny trade and struggles of Juan Pierre when he was there. Matt is a natural LF. But if LA would do it I'd live with the Dave Henderson defense.

    He is a heck of a ballplayer, living in LA I get to see more of him than I would most NL guys. But he has a 10 cent head at moments. While all the Dodgers benefited greatly from Manny as far as learning the work habits that a great hitter should have, Matt seems to have adopted #24's attention to detail on base paths and hitting cut-off men.

    Still he is a middle of the order player with ceiling yet to be hit and Ellsbury is a top of the order guy in the same mold. Tough trade to make if you are LA and looking to keep the product attractive enough to sell tickets and sell the franchise. And that franchise will be sold. MLB knows it, Jamie McCourt knows it, the courts over seeing the McCourt's know it, only Frank is in denial.

    Just my takes
     
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    Sox need a guy with some character and Kemp could be that player. Would you do this trade?
    Posted by beavis


    That makes no sense.  Ellsbury has better character than Kemp.

    Mind you, I have no idea if that's true, but of course, neither do you.
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    I dunno guys i would have to pull the trigger on that deal. Check out how our line up would look:

    crawford
    pedroia
    gonzalez
    youk
    kemp
    ortiz
    lowrie
    drew
    salty

    Gotta say i like that line up better than the one we have now with ellsbury in it. Dont get me wrong ells is a good player and I am not saying i want to get rid  of him but i would trade him for matt kemp. 
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    Matt Kemp has been in the majors for several years, but in many ways the game of baseball still seems a mystery to him.  No deal. He is not going to replace Crawford in left. He's not a good CFer.  RF in Fenway might be the death of him.
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    I don't think you improve as a team by the swap - but comparing the two I will take Kemp.

    CA and RF are the only places, or perhaps SS are the only fielding positions to improve on for 2011m
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    Yes true, which does make Ellsbury valuable to them, but by how much?  

    The Contract Ellsbury will want, and seeing how he is Boras client, and is still relatively close to free agency (like you said only 1 year more than Kemp) make him not so attractive to L.A.   If I was L.A. I wouldn't take Ellsbury unless he came with a top prospect + 

    I could be wrong here, but in terms of a team looking to reduce payroll and potentially have a fire-sale...the trade just doesn't seem to match up. 

    I never said I thought the deal could get done; I just wanted to point out the 2 1/3 years of Ellsbury before free agency have value. His cost will be lower than his value, and LA is probably looking for low-cost, but immediate impact players and not far-away prospects for Kemp.

    I don't see the match up either.
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    To all the bad defense comments about Kemp...he won a gold glove out there in 2009 (when he logged 158 games in CF)...he's doing something right.

    Also, from 08-10 he played in:
    155
    159
    162 games

    He is the right handed power OF bat the Sox are sorely missing.

    Don't think it would happen, but would be THRILLED if it did.
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    "i'd do crawford for kemp."

    so would i alibiike, even if it was jack kemp.
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    not sure how most of the trades mentioned on this board make sense.

    typical start seems to be this : "_____ is useless and/or overpaid. he is terrible. let's send him to _______ for _________ since they have to dump salary."

    most of the trades mentioned seem to hurt us in another position while only marginally helping us in another.  and have no chance of being accepted by an gm currently working in MLB.
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    what????  huh???? els for kemp?? dream on doguh fans
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    But he has a 10 cent head at moments

    This is an obvious racist comment. If Kemp has a .10 head at moments, Bellsbury has a slug head, at moments.
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    At every level, Ellsbury is at or near his career averages. Despite claims he's breaking out, his numbers are all within the same ranges of his career averages. He's never going to be any on-base machine, nor a solid defensive CF'er.

    His asset is speed and, for the next few years until that speed declines, the ability to get good pitches to slap around. His highest and best value in in the NL.

    Kemp for Bellsbury works for the distressed current state of the Dodgers, and gives the Red Sox a solid young RH OF'er who would fit perfectly in LF. Crawford's speed is best used in RF, not LF. Crawford's arm issues aren't my problem, as signing Crawford (team championship or not) was one of the most idiotic value signings in Red Sox history.

    2012   Kemp, Kalish, Crawford (4th OF'er one year deal on adequate overall RH OF'er) (Farm depth Reddick et al)

    I understand Kemp wouldn't be as popular as Bellsbury, but he's a much better baseball player. Not that that matters...........
     
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    Re: Ellsbury for Kemp?

    Ellsbury's two best assets are speed and hand-eye coordination--the latter is why he rarely makes an error and his OPS is over .800.  This year he is far and away the best hitter among the six--count 'em--outfielders the Sox have used this year.  Crawford and Drew both have OPS's under .700.  Last night was just another example of his value to the team--nice catch up against the wall, scored the first run basically on his own (singled, stole second, took third on a WP that wasn't far from the catcher, came home on a ground out) and delivered a solid SF his next time up.  He bats leadoff and has one less rbi than David Ortiz and leads the team in runs scored--the polar opposite of J.D. Drew, who leads the team in nonproductivity. 

    So it is absolutely dumb to get rid of Ellsbury.  Drew is leaving and needs to be replaced, and that is where the focus should be.  Crawford's insane salary limits what the Sox can do, so I'm guessing they will bring up Reddick (now at Boston) or Kalish or whoever. 

    I will admit that I like the idea of a righty power hitter, and Kemp does fill that bill, at least this year, which is absolutely a career year so far for him.  Last year Crawford had a career year, and so far hasn't lived up to it.  Did I forget to mention that Kemp at $7M is paid 10 times as much as Ellsbury? 
     
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