Ellsbury Leading the Red Sox in Home Run Power!

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    That 4th dinger was preceded by strike out and no other hits. His BA and OBP continue to be poor. They have to go up, because they are so low. But Rice's concerns are right. Best case, lower ranges on career averages on the more important categories for a speed guy who is trying to boost his lack of homers on his anticipated FA resume.
     
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    RAME: "Baseball GM" said "he" - meaning baseball GM wasn't Softlaw.
    He's right. Baseball GM is Baseball GM. Softlaw is Softlaw.
    Don't confuse cyberspace identity with person: he obviously separates the two.
     
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    Hmmmmmmm,  I wonder why the person who posts here as BaseballGM didn't answer my question?
     
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    In Response to Re: Ellsbury Leading the Red Sox in Home Run Power!:
    [QUOTE]Joe, you are like a teenage girl. The only thing unhinged is your temper. Rang is at least willing to admit that the swinging for the fences approach is counter to what management has told him to do, even though Rang doesn't have a problem with doing it to try and get a big contract. As Joe point out without knowing it, the snap shot of today won't be anything like the final picture of year end. The real disservice is NESN pandering Ellsbury's 3rd homer as this power hitter who almost did the unthinkable by hitting the upper facade down the right field line. He was wailing off his back foot in his reverse pivot uppercut swinging action. The homer was down the line and wind aided by an 18 MPH down wind. Jim Rice is correct when he worries about this approach and it's affect on BA and OBP. But what does Jim Rice know.
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    You got it wrong again.  You'll understand the explanation easy enough, and you'll recognize you made a beginner's mistake, but your hatred for Ells has taken you down this path.

    About the single worse thing a hitter can do is to become typecast.

    The thing that made Mattingly a great hitter was that he could turn on the ball inside.  He was a natural spray hitter, and extremely dangerous on pitches outside, since he could slap it over the head of the 3B regularly.  Same with Pedroia.  He's not  natural HR hitter, but the only way to keep a pitcher from jamming you is to try to turn on the ball and pull it down the line.  This is the next logical step in Ellsbury's progression.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ellsbury Leading the Red Sox in Home Run Power! : You got it wrong again.  You'll understand the explanation easy enough, and you'll recognize you made a beginner's mistake, but your hatred for Ells has taken you down this path. About the single worse thing a hitter can do is to become typecast. The thing that made Mattingly a great hitter was that he could turn on the ball inside.  He was a natural spray hitter, and extremely dangerous on pitches outside, since he could slap it over the head of the 3B regularly.  Same with Pedroia.  He's not  natural HR hitter, but the only way to keep a pitcher from jamming you is to try to turn on the ball and pull it down the line.  This is the next logical step in Ellsbury's progression.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    You're wasting your time.

    According to softy, players don't get better. They're a finished product as soon as they've played their first game in the majors.
     
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    That 4th dinger was preceded by strike out and no other hits. His BA and OBP continue to be poor. They have to go up, because they are so low. But Rice's concerns are right. Best case, lower ranges on career averages on the more important categories for a speed guy who is trying to boost his lack of homers on his anticipated FA resume.

    ...this is more softy than softy ever was.
     
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    [QUOTE]That 4th dinger was preceded by strike out and no other hits. His BA and OBP continue to be poor. They have to go up, because they are so low. But Rice's concerns are right. Best case, lower ranges on career averages on the more important categories for a speed guy who is trying to boost his lack of homers on his anticipated FA resume. ...this is more softy than softy ever was.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    You have to admit that it's pretty funny.

    For years he's said that Ells' biggest problem is that he had no power.  And we all old him that power will increase with age.

    Now that he is hitting with a little bit more power, what's his biggest complaint?  That Ellsbury is hitting with the power he said would never develop.

    He's re-inventing himself to find new ways of being wrong.
     
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    [QUOTE]That 4th dinger was preceded by strike out and no other hits. His BA and OBP continue to be poor. They have to go up, because they are so low. But Rice's concerns are right. Best case, lower ranges on career averages on the more important categories for a speed guy who is trying to boost his lack of homers on his anticipated FA resume. ...this is more softy than softy ever was.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]


    Frown


    Man, this sh*t's getting deep...
     
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    ...and "what's is the color when black is burned"

    (Neil Young)
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ellsbury Leading the Red Sox in Home Run Power! : You got it wrong again.  You'll understand the explanation easy enough, and you'll recognize you made a beginner's mistake, but your hatred for Ells has taken you down this path. About the single worse thing a hitter can do is to become typecast. The thing that made Mattingly a great hitter was that he could turn on the ball inside.  He was a natural spray hitter, and extremely dangerous on pitches outside, since he could slap it over the head of the 3B regularly.  Same with Pedroia.  He's not  natural HR hitter, but the only way to keep a pitcher from jamming you is to try to turn on the ball and pull it down the line.  This is the next logical step in Ellsbury's progression.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    I agree. Also he is hitting HR which have no problem clearing the RF Fence in Fenway. He also did it in spring Training. We are probably looking at a 20 HR per year guy now. Assuming that is true, it should help his OBP and open up his game for a higher average potentially if opposing pitchers start pitching him ourside again. If not he maybe becomes a Curtis Granderson type hitter with 20-25 HR pop. That isn't necessarily bad from a CF if he can also field.

    Who knows how this ends but doing more damage at the plate would seem to help his OBP at least and if he ends up with 20 HR pop and .370 OBP we have probably maximized his potential. 

     
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    "What's the color when black is burned?"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0LrW9GWUQ0

     
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    "One thing that was a little shocking was, before the game, he got booed," said Youkilis

    DiceK said he changed his mental approach and forgot about his past outings and the bad things said about him. Harness is one of many saying bad things about DiceK. Very sad. All credit to DiceK, zero credit to Jason Varitek.

    I'll guarantee you that Ellsbury will not be "a 20 HR a year" guy. If he does it one year, he'll do well to do that.
     
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    [QUOTE]Redsox-11 will be taking a few days off. He and BaseballDr, Georom, and Bosox1941 need to go to a retreat and come up with some new talking points. They shall return immediately after the next Red Sox loss.
    Posted by JamaicaPlain67[/QUOTE]I don't think georom belongs in that company. But that's just my opinion. andrewmitch does though.
     
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    I like how Tito made it a point to say that they don't want Ellsbury to try and hit homers. They want him to get on base as much as possible. His current BA is .200 and his OBP is .286.

    Also, sober minds should note that there was a 21 MPH with 26 MPH westerly to southwesterly wind gusting out to rightfield. Youk went the other way and hit it out that way. Big wind helping to the OF.
     
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    There's always an excuse.
     
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    [QUOTE]Rice was a one-dimensional hitter who made the most out of playing at Fenway Park. Comparing an outfielder to a catcher is ridiculous on so many levels. A catcher is involved on every pitch. An outfielder may be involved on but a handful of plays during a game. No position affects a pitcher as does a catcher.      
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    Not to mince thoughts when you are in the midst of debunking another ridiculous notion of The-BaseballGM-Formerly-Known-As-Softy, but, Rice was one dimensional?  Really?
     
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    Let's hope Ellsbury keeps hitting on the road, in more homer friendly parks for him like Toronto, Baltimore and NY. Also, our OF speed should help us a little more in Oakland this year, finally.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ellsbury Leading the Red Sox in Home Run Power! : You have to admit that it's pretty funny. For years he's said that Ells' biggest problem is that he had no power.  And we all old him that power will increase with age. Now that he is hitting with a little bit more power, what's his biggest complaint?  That Ellsbury is hitting with the power he said would never develop. He's re-inventing himself to find new ways of being wrong.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    Softy spinning away from his original negative drivel through lies and 'new' statements, while denying the old were ever said (b/c they were deleted when he was banned) is his m.o. A classless fool.

    Softy reinventing himself as BaseballGM is truly giving new meaning to words like 'coward' and 'pathetic'  and phrases like 'get a life'
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ellsbury Leading the Red Sox in Home Run Power! : Not to mince thoughts when you are in the midst of debunking another ridiculous notion of The-BaseballGM-Formerly-Known-As-Softy, but, Rice was one dimensional?  Really?
    Posted by SpacemanEephus[/QUOTE]

    I'd say so, Space.
    Rice couldn't run the bases fluently.
    Rice had a decent arm, but nothing spectacular. Playing LF in Fenway allows for many an outfield assist. On the road, his fielding was more exposed.

    He could hit. But, again, Fenway played a large part in his hitting prowess. The splits at and away from Fenway show great disparity.
    I'm glad for him that he's in the HOF, but I think his admittance had a lot to do with how he played the game...clean.
     
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    Re: Ellsbury Leading the Red Sox in Home Run Power!

    Here's a look at Slg% team leaders after just 15 games:

    1) Lowrie .774
    2) Pedey  .491
    3) Papi     .469
    4) Ellsb    .460
    5) DMac   .450
    6) Youk    .447
    7) AGon   .421
    8) Drew   .359
    9) Scutty .250
    10) Salty .212
    11) Cam  .200
    12) Craw .167
    13) VTek .063

    Top OPS:
    1) Lowrie  1.319
    2) Pedey     .900
    3) Youk       .869
    4) Papi        .862
    5) AGon      .785
    6) Ellsb       .746
    7) Drew      .737
    8) DMac      .705
    9) Scutty    .547
    10) Salty    .462
    11) Cam     .450
    12) Craw    .342
    13) VTek    .230
     
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    I'd rather read Softy because it gives me new incite wether I agree or not (something new everyday to think about); as apposed to harness who just recited something every person on this board already knows about Jim Rice.

    BaseballGM provided food for thought, harness provided nothing at all.
     
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    If I provide nothing, what's your purpose here?
    My Rice comment was directed to Spaceman, who evidently sees Rice differently than you and I.

    I think your choice of Softlaw as food for thought says it all.
     
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    Remember now, BaseballGM isn't Softlaw.
    I'm sure you don't want to worship a liar.
     
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    they are not the same person!  Wink
     
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    My take on harness is he spends a lot of time coaching board ethics to everyone - I suppose he thinks so little of the posters in general that he has self-ordained himself several titles:

    The Educator
    The Teacher
    The Priest
    The Higher than Though

    etc.,....  

    If you pay attention he is often scolding or trying to give direction to the rest of us... really sad/conceited.

    In addition harness finally got his Private Group wet dream and yet he still continues his "re-education Soviet Gulag" here on the Front Burner.

    It is very, very sad.

     
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