Re: Ellsbury - The Market
posted at 10/13/2012 6:46 AM EDT
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Sorry Moon, but I think this team has a core of players that are capable of competing in 2013. World Series? I guess anything can happen in MLB, just ask the A's and O's.
Yes, they can, but realistically, I'm not even close to thinking it is probable.
A couple good moves, better health, and yea a little luck from the baseball Gods, and anything is possible...
Of course, but we need to be pragmatic and take a serious look at our chances. Yes, we can make a strong push to be highly competitive in 2013, but unfortuneatley, this is a bad year for top ticket FAs, and I fear we may make the same mistake again (comparing to signing Lackey, CC and extending Beckett).
Ells, Pedey, Papi, WMB, Ross, Salty, Buch, Lester, Doubront is a nice batch of players that are very capable of competing...Add the right pieces to that mix with the right coaching staff and we'll see what happens come 2013. Me, I'll take that core of players any day.
You listed 9 players and spoke of adding 3 more (Peavy, Hunter & a 1Bman). The 9 you listed are all question marks with the exception of maybe Pedey and Buch...maybe. Hunter is ancient and in decline. Peavy is questionable as well. We'd need all 12 of these guys to be near the top of their game just to have an outside shot at making the playoffs let alone being a favorite to win a ring.
I do think we should make some moves to help be us be more competitive in 2013, but they should be geared towards 2014 and beyond as well. By saying we should trade Ellsbury is not saying I don't want to add several players that will make us better. I have laid out several proposals that include trading for J Upton and Brett Anderson along with signing some younger pitchers like McCarthey (if he is healthy). I'm also OK with signing "bridge players" to 1 year deals to carry us to 2014, but I am not expecting a 2013 miracle. I will be rooting for the Sox in 2013 as I always have, but I am trying to be realistic. I have a lot of faith in several Sox players improving over their 2012 season, but I just see 2014 & 2015 as our best chance at winning it all. I know the Papi and Ellsbury window may be closed by then, but if we can get something for Ellsbury, make some key trades and signings this winter for players under team control for 3+ years, we will be stronger in 2013, but more importantly, better positioned for 2014 and beyond.
I obviously coulve named more than nine. I just decided to stop there. I never named players to add to this team in my post, that was jasko. While I agree that we should be better in 2014, I dont discount the fact that we dont have to rely on the FA market to repeat past mistakes and can look to make some wise trades as well. They dont have to be blockbusters, just ones that make the current team better to be competitive in 2013 and beyond.
I would rather get the best haul of prospects if dealing Ells. You know I think anyone with the last name Upton is a huge mistake, so we wont even go there. But If they could somehow make a deal for a top young pitcher that included Ells and more prospects I would go for that as well. It would have to be a Gio Gonzalez type though.
This lineup/pitching has as much, if not more potential talent than a lot of clubs out there, including 2 that went to the playoffs this year. O's and A's...Although i would never say were a WS contender, I do believe that they will put a very competitive team on the field next year that has the talent and could surprise some people.