Re: Ellsbury vs Granderson
posted at 11/26/2013 12:40 PM EST
In response to S5's comment:
In response to jasko2248's comment:
I would say that that the biggest difference between Bogaerts & Iglesias is that Boegaerts is a once in a generation "franchise type player" with exceptional make up, while Iglesias is a guy who might be a human highlight film defensively, but there have been concerns about his make up and there is more than one scouting report out there that said, "he loses concentration at times and will butcher a routine play." Throw in the fact that Boegarts has already started for a World Championship team and looked very comfortable against great pitching, especially for a kid who had just turned 21, while Iglesias hit .118 in 25 games last September. There are still questions about Bogaerts being ready defensively, but I wouldn't bet against him sticking at SS.
I hope both of these kids have great careers, but to say "Iglesias was more of a finished product" going into last season as Bogaerts is going into this season is a stretch.
I didn't bring up this comparison but I'm not going to let it stand without commenting on it.
Whether or not Bogarts is a once in a generation player remains to be seen. The same thing can be said about Hanley, and that's two players like that from just the same team. In fact it can be said that the Sox had TWO of these players on the same team at the same time. BOgaarts is a very good player but to call him a once in a generation player is a bit of a stretch.
Yes, Iglesias hit .118 in September, but after hitting a totally unsustainable ~.500 prior to that, and finished the year with a .303 BA. It was SO PREDICTABLE that some would use that month to "prove" that Iglesias can't hit. That's why small sample sizes of one month don't mean much.
When Iggy went to Detriot it was ostensibly to fill a spot until Peralta came back from suspension. Instead when Peralta came back he was moved to LF. The cry then was that Peralta would still be the starting SS in 2014, and instead the Tigers let Peralta go to FA rather than try to sign him. Someone out there likes Iggy, and it's people who aren't trying to run Iggy down to make Bogarts look better.
I agree that Bogarts may stick at SS but that doesn't mean he's a better player than Iglesias.
S5, your feelings for Iglesias are well documented, and I appreciate your position, but you may be confused with my post. I was talking about the Iglesias who hit .118 in September of 2012 and showed little indication he was going to hit well enough during his minor league career to be anything more than a utility player. What Iglesias did this season is irrelevant, since we were talking about "going into 2013." There was no way they were going to go into 2013 with Iglesias as the only viable option.
As far as Ramirez goes, there were MANY concerns about his make up and they were obviously justified. Do some homework on Bogaerts. Bogaerts is as "can't miss" as it gets and a big reason is because of his make up and work ethic are off the charts, while his talent is obvious. One of the greatest compliments a young player can get is when someone in the game says, "Every once in a while you see a young player come in and you just "know" he's going to be great just by the way he carries himself." Bogaerts is one of those players. I asked about him last winter and the responses were all, "He IS (not might) going to be something special."
Obviously he could get injured or completely regress, but from everything I've seen & heard, this kid is not just going to be "good," but he's going to be a "star" for years to come. Again, there are very few "sure things" in baseball, but enough people who's opinions I respect say he is going to be great.
The Sox obviously had concerns about Iglesias that we are unaware of, and the guy we got for him helped win a World Series (not going to harp on Iglesias' crucial errors) which is the ultimate goal. I wish Iglesias well, but I have a feeling Bogaerts is going to be making fans say "Jose who," sooner rather than later...