Ellsbury's OPS is now.890

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    Ellsbury's OPS is now.890

    This is amazing for a leadoff guy, his 19th home run is also unprecedented for a table setter these days.  Ricky Henderson is the last guy I can think of with this amount of power from the 1 hole.
     
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    Way to go Jake-- keep it going!!!
     
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    softhead will come on and say well he will not do it next year.
     
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    This is amazing for a leadoff guy, his 19th home run is also unprecedented for a table setter these days.  Ricky Henderson is the last guy I can think of with this amount of power from the 1 hole.
    Posted by william93063

    Hanley Ramirez hit 32 homeruns from the leadoff slot in 2008.

    The Red Sox this season have 19 homeruns from the leadoff slot, including 16 from Jacoby Ellsbury. The Philadelphia Phillies have 16 homeruns from the leadoff slot.
     
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    I can't wait to see this kid perform in the post season.
     
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    In Response to Ellsbury's OPS is now.898 : Hanley Ramirez hit 32 homeruns from the leadoff slot in 2008. The Red Sox this season have 19 homeruns from the leadoff slot, including 16 from Jacoby Ellsbury. The Philadelphia Phillies have 16 homeruns from the leadoff slot.
    Posted by hill55


    Hanley was the best hitting shortstop in baseball for several years but he has fallen off the face of the earth this season.  Right now Asdrubel Cabrera is the best offensive shortstop and it is seemingly out of nowhere.  He already has more home runs this season then he has previously hit in his entire career, sort of like Ellsbury actually.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ellsbury's OPS is now.898 : Hanley was the best hitting shortstop in baseball for several years but he has fallen off the face of the earth this season.  Right now Asdrubel Cabrera is the best offensive shortstop and it is seemingly out of nowhere.  He already has more home runs this season then he has previously hit in his entire career, sort of like Ellsbury actually.
    Posted by william93063

    In 2006 the Seattle Mariners traded 20-year-old Asdrubal Cabrera, who is two years younger than Jacoby Ellsbury, to the Indians for designated hitter Eduardo Perez, who was nearing his 37th birthday at the time of the trade.
     
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    have to think that ellsbury is in the mvp running.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ellsbury's OPS is now.898 : In 2006 the Seattle Mariners traded 20-year-old Asdrubal Cabrera, who is two years younger than Jacoby Ellsbury, to the Indians for designated hitter Eduardo Perez, who was nearing his 37th birthday at the time of the trade.
    Posted by hill55



    WOW!  That is grand theft larceny nearly on the scale of Lowe and Varitek for Slocumb!
     
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    http://www.boston.com/community/forums.html?plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3aSportsForum%3a81df60f3-70ee-4ca3-9336-8cf2c0a8301aDiscussion%3a85725415-bfd5-4019-b6a6-d78460ed47e7
     
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    I don't think the brass were anticipating such an explosive season from Elles this year, and had they I doubt they would have signed Crawford.

    I still believe Elles will be moved out and one of our own leaves town just because of Carl Crawfords signing.
     
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    True, but most Red Sox fans will cry;)

     
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    True, but most Red Sox fans will cry;)
    Posted by softylaw


    Kinda like you do all the time here....
     
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    No, I'm not here much. Kind of like idle time Moonslow and harnut do, as clueless Board bullies.
    Posted by softylaw


    you and your multiple aliases over the years..Yup, Im right and your wrong..again
     
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    No, he's not here much...only 154 posts and climbing fast since the latest re-start on July 31.
     
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    Moonslow and harnut have many "aliases", when they aren't working NY Times beat work.
     
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    Differnece is do it in a pennant race. Guy has had incredible clutch hits this year.
    Posted by bobbysu


    The dude was clutch before he even learned to hit (fall 2007).  It was his ability to deliver in the stretch run and post-season, even as a call-up rookie, that sent Softy careening down his sad hallway of hate.
     
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    Softylaw unmasked again.  He would far rather trumpet a Yankee than a Sox player, just because he said several years ago that Ellsbury would never amount to a hill of beans.  Well, the beancounters are reporting the hill is applying for mountain status.   

    Funny thing is, I entirely agree Granderson is having a terrific year, but, last time I checked, none of his runs scored or dingers or rbi's help the Sox.  Nothing wrong with giving the opposition credit, but it's good to remember they are the opposition. 

    For softylaw, Ellsbury and a bunch of other Sox players, as well as the GM and the manager, are the opposition. 

    When was the last time softy said anything positive about this team? 
     
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     It was his ability to deliver in the stretch run and post-season,

    Elsbury didn't "deliver in stretch run and post season", 2007, Drew was "clutch" in 2007. WS was a route, and divison was pitching and core player efforts all season.

    Ellsbury was benched for no confidence in "stretch run and post season" 2008.

    What's unmasked is ignoring AGon and Ortiz and Pedroia and pretending that boy wonder is "superstar/greatness/MVP".

    And reality is no extension and no post FA contract becuase of Crawford. Reality is that Crawford and Ellsbury are poor v. LhP 2011. Future paints a different picture than "GM and team v. Softaw".
     
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    How does Ellsbury compare to Fredd Lynn or Damon as the best recent Sox CF'ers?  I know he's better than Damon (prime vs prime) the question is will he have the longevity as JD.......But what about Freddie?  I think it will take a few more years of this........Thoughts?

     
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     It was his ability to deliver in the stretch run and post-season, Elsbury didn't "deliver in stretch run and post season", 2007, Drew was "clutch" in 2007. WS was a route, and divison was pitching and core player efforts all season. Ellsbury was benched for no confidence in "stretch run and post season" 2008. What's unmasked is ignoring AGon and Ortiz and Pedroia and pretending that boy wonder is "superstar/greatness/MVP". And reality is no extension and no post FA contract becuase of Crawford. Reality is that Crawford and Ellsbury are poor v. LhP 2011. Future paints a different picture than "GM and team v. Softaw".
    Posted by softylaw


    Didn't deliver stetch/PO 2007???  

    After his Sept. call-up (smack dab in the middle of a nerve-wracking race with the Sox trying to right the ship after nearly blowing a 14 1/2 game division lead) young Jacoby hit .361/.390/.536, 17 rbis, 8 sbs.  You really think that wasn;t vital?

    No doubt Drew was clutch in playoffs.  That was awesome.  No one is trying to discredit that performance.  But, look, a big part of why that WS was a route was because Jacoby was KILLING it (1.118 OPS!!!).  

    Yes, he was benched in 08, HIS ROOKIE SEASON, because he hadn't developed his skills yet.  This is the most significant error in your attempts to discredit him:  Prior to this year, he had played only 2 full seasons, and, as you point to, 08 was rough because he was still very raw.  09 saw much improvement, but still, his swing was wonky (reverse pivot perhaps?).  So, you keep pointing to 'reverting to career averages', but with Ellsbury, it doesn't make any sense.  He has played 2 YEARS before this year.  His full rookie season of 08 exposed all the weaknesses in his game.  The arc of his career CLEARLY suggests that this year is a result of him finally shoring up the holes in his offensive game.

    None of this is taking credit away from ANYONE else on the team.  In fact, it just speaks to the fantastic clubs the Sox have trotted out in this era that Ells is just an awesome cog in the wheel.

    And look, I see where you are coming from regarding the future of Boras' boy.  Doesn't look good with Crawford in the fold for big dollars.  But that has nothing to do with the quality of player Ellsbury is.

    And I agree with you wholeheartedly that, even in all the starry "MVP" glitter talk surrounding Jacoby these days, it would be a major crime to do so without recognizing Gonzalez/Pedroia and pre-AS-break-Ortiz in the same breath.  

    You should just try enjoying his contributions to this fantastic club.  Seriously, its fun!
     
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    But, look, a big part of why that WS was a route was because Jacoby

    WS route was pitching. Lugo was drilling Rockies in WS. Get real.

    At least you are able to see the hyperbole and WS v. phillies potential matchup issues and future contract issues and team needs. Better than most pink hats on here.

    Ortiz should sign with Yankees, just to send a good message to Red Sox fan bigotry.
     
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    But, look, a big part of why that WS was a route was because Jacoby WS route was pitching. Lugo was drilling Rockies in WS. Get real. At least you are able to see the hyperbole and WS v. phillies potential matchup issues and future contract issues and team needs. Better than most pink hats on here. Ortiz should sign with Yankees, just to send a good message to Red Sox fan bigotry.
    Posted by softylaw


    You are right.  Lugo put the offense on his back and single-handedly whooped the Rockies.
     
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     It was his ability to deliver in the stretch run and post-season, Elsbury didn't "deliver in stretch run and post season", 2007, Drew was "clutch" in 2007. WS was a route, and divison was pitching and core player efforts all season. Ellsbury was benched for no confidence in "stretch run and post season" 2008. What's unmasked is ignoring AGon and Ortiz and Pedroia and pretending that boy wonder is "superstar/greatness/MVP". And reality is no extension and no post FA contract becuase of Crawford. Reality is that Crawford and Ellsbury are poor v. LhP 2011. Future paints a different picture than "GM and team v. Softaw".
    Posted by softylaw


    Nobody is ignoring AGon or Pedroia or even Ortiz, you charlatan.  I and others have pointed out many times that there are five really good hitters in this lineup, and as of Sunday morning, August 7, AGon, Ortiz, Ellsbury, Pedroia, and Youkilis are among the top nine OPS's in the AL.  Plus, as many of us pointed out, Crawford had a heckuva game yesterday.  Reddick has had some good games, and so have Salty/Tek. 

    That said, right now Ellsbury has compiled some pretty good numbers, numbers that are way better than any previous year for him and infinitely better than last year's disaster caused by the collision with Beltre.  So of course we like celebrating that. 

    And here's the funny thing.  You keep saying that, because of Crawford, the Sox have to dump Ellsbury, sooner rather than later.  And then you turn right around and say the replacement for Ellsbury must be a power-hitting righty outfielder like Kemp of the Dodgers.  That is absolute folly, not only because Kemp is unobtainable, but also because he will cost more than Ellsbury. 

    What was that line from the movie/tv show Paper Chase?  "You come in here with minds filled with mush, and you will leave here thinking like lawyers."  For a guy claiming to be a lawyer, you sure can deliver some mushy thinking. 
     
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