Enough of Drew!

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    Enough of Drew!

    OK, he plays a very good shortstop but is an instant out as each game stat for him goes either one of these ways.   0-3 with 2K's and a pop up or 0-4 with 3 K's and a pop out.

    The instant out he provides really hurts the offense and if anybody is on base when he comes up its either inning ending or just another out.    I think Bogey can provide at least average defense at short and actually be a threat at the plate and perhaps a few games watching may have benefitted Middlebrooks.    

    We cannot go into St. Louis and lose the DH AND have 2 instant outs in Drew and the pitcher's spot in the line up or they may not play another game in Boston in 2013.

     
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    Re: Enough of Drew!

    not sure why he doesn't bat 9th and why he isn't bunting at every opportunity

    heck, i may even bat Peavy 8th tomorrow night!

     
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    It's funny to see all the posters who did not like the idea of Iggy as our FT SS because he can't hit well enough, now defend Drew based solely on his plus fielding.

     
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    Because of his glove, I'd keep  Drew in the lineup. But definitely start Nava and Ross over Gomes and Salty.

    Ellsbury cf

    Victorino rf

    Pedroia 2b

    Ortiz dh

    Napoli 1b

    Nava lf

    Bogaerts 3b

    Ross c

    Drew ss (you can flip the last two)

     

     
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    Re: Enough of Drew!

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    It's funny to see all the posters who did not like the idea of Iggy as our FT SS because he can't hit well enough, now defend Drew based solely on his plus fielding.

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    I wish I'd said that. ^^^ Sealed

     
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    It's funny to see all the posters who did not like the idea of Iggy as our FT SS because he can't hit well enough, now defend Drew based solely on his plus fielding.



    This is the World Series.  I think it's bit different now.  

     
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    It's funny to see all the posters who did not like the idea of Iggy as our FT SS because he can't hit well enough, now defend Drew based solely on his plus fielding.

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    Drew also had a .777 OPS this year and has a .764 career OPS.  Normally he's a well above average hitter for a SS.  He's in a brutal slump but may still come out of it.

     

     
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    It's funny to see all the posters who did not like the idea of Iggy as our FT SS because he can't hit well enough, now defend Drew based solely on his plus fielding.

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    Also funny to realize that in fact Drew fielded better than Iglesias in the postseason.  So far he has also fielded better than the two Cardinal shortstops.

    Most people on this board wanted to keep Iggy, but it's hard to argue he wasn't expendable when Peavy became available, Iggy had stopped hitting (July), the Sox were in the hunt for the postseason, and the Sox by then had two capable SS's, Drew and Bogaerts.  The Sox did not in fact miss a beat after Iggy left. 

     
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    Re: Enough of Drew!

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    It's funny to see all the posters who did not like the idea of Iggy as our FT SS because he can't hit well enough, now defend Drew based solely on his plus fielding.

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    It's also funny that Iggy hit well in the ALCS and made two HUGE errors.

    The Whole Drew Iggy thing has been funny all year. Why stop now?

     
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    Also funny to realize that in fact Drew fielded better than Iglesias in the postseason. 

    (No he didn't, in fact)

    So far he has also fielded better than the two Cardinal shortstops.

    (So far, the two Cardinals are hitting like Babe Ruth, compared to Drew, so I like how management is now shifting away from "Iglesias must prove he can hit over .200)

    Most people on this board wanted to keep Iggy, but it's hard to argue he wasn't expendable when Peavy became available, Iggy had stopped hitting (July), the Sox were in the hunt for the postseason, and the Sox by then had two capable SS's, Drew and Bogaerts. 

    (Peavy became available because he stinks at the price tag and time he has left as a soft belly middle starter. He wasn't necessary with the internal options, and his 10 starts made no difference than the altnerative and the position in the playoffs. The Sox were virtually guaranteed the postseason by the time the deal was made, and Bogaerts still hasn't proven he's "a capable career starting SS".)

    The Sox did not in fact miss a beat after Iggy left. 

    (It's about the value of the future, and this deal was an embarrassment. The Sox don't "miss a beat" if they don't do the stupid has been Peavy deal, where they'll get nothing but a big bill while Iglesias provides many years of low cost elite level starting SS performance for the Tigers. Iglesias is just starting his career, and Peavy's is about over. I also find it dubious that any draft compensation comes from Drew, which makes this deal beyond stupidity)

     

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    It's funny to see all the posters who did not like the idea of Iggy as our FT SS because he can't hit well enough, now defend Drew based solely on his plus fielding.

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    Drew also had a .777 OPS this year and has a .764 career OPS.  Normally he's a well above average hitter for a SS.  He's in a brutal slump but may still come out of it.

     

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    Have you watched his swing since the playoffs start? Do you see how slow his bat is? He may still come out of it? You can't give players rope at this point in the season. There may only be three games left.

     

     
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    Obvious that the GM is behind Drew starting. I like how Farrell pinch hit for him against a RHP, showing the zero confidence level that is the essence of Drew. I'll bet the GM wasn't happy about it.

    At the beginning of the season, here is the Board management shills and cheerleaders lines on why Drew should be starting:

    1. You can't start a SS that hits under .200, no matter how good his defense is

    2. A weak hitting SS doesn't get enough defensive chances for his good defense to matter enough

    3. You can't start a SS that hasn't proven he can hit .200

     

    Now it's:

    Drew has to play because of his defense.

     

    Last night, the easy out that was scored "a hit". It was a little league pop out to the pitcher.

    Today, the MLB commissioner's office directly employs the official scorers who are responsible for producing score reports, but most scorers are hired on the recommendation of the public relations directors of baseball teams.[6] Official scorers are typically retired writers, coaches, and umpires. Unlike umpiring teams, MLB official scorers do not typically travel between stadiumsEach official scorer is assigned to a stadium for the season, with each stadium having one or more scorers.[4] Scorers now have access to replay video from different angles which they can review before making a decision. As of 2012, MLB official scorers earned $150 per game.[7][8] Official scorers are not required to meet the old BBWAA requirements, and are also no longer required to pass a written test, which was once administered by theNational League before it was phased out in the mid-1990s. Potential scorers are generally required to briefly apprentice under an existing scorer before they are allowed to work alone.[9]

    Official scorers are only occasionally terminated, but there have been cases when a scorer was replaced after making decisions which displeased the home team. In 1992 the Seattle Mariner players signed a petition to have their official scorer replaced, and in 2001 the management of the Boston Red Sox ordered that a rookie scorer not be allowed to score another game after pitcher Hideo Nomo lost a no-hitter on a close play in right field that was ruled a hit rather than an error

     


    When Farrell pinch hit for Drew, who was going to be the final out. he did so against a RHP. That was the manifest certainty that the GM is behind Drew starting, all year long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not based on merit, at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guarantee the GM wasn't happy to see the pinch hitter for Drew, as he's been set all year on getting draft compensation when Drew departs and claiming "you see, we didn't know Iglesias could hit and we have our new slugging SS for 2014, anyway, so aren't I brilliant by getting draft compensation and great SS hitting and fielding from the veteran Drew". 

    The speculation about Drew getting 3 years and 30 million plus gauranteed FA offers would be great for the Red Sox, but it aint gonna happen. Bottom line, who cares!!!!!!!!! The guy was a terrible signing when Iglesias was there and, though foolishly, could have been traded over the winter since management decided a while back that they want slugging at SS until the sun stops rising. 

    This is competition, it's not about next season, and the best lineup needs to be on the field, Ben!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that aint Drew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Middlebooks has a critical double in Game 2 of the ALCS, and Bogaerts is more poised and way, way, way more capable with the bat (doesn't take much) than Drew even though Bogaerts is inexperienced on the big stage.

    No way that was a "hit" last night.

    Drew is hitting .095 and his OBP is .116 in 42 PA in the 2013 post season, he was terrible in 2012 post season, too.

    A .092 BA and OBP of .116 and .259 OPS in the post season in 42 PA has no business whatsoever starting, regardless of how many times management repeats "he's in there for his defense". See the management nonsense from early in the season. 

    Get Middlebrooks in at 3rd, Bogaerts is out of position, get Bogaerts to SS, and get Drew to the bench and forget about his QO nonsense, Ben!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     

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    Also funny to realize that in fact Drew fielded better than Iglesias in the postseason. 

    (No he didn't, in fact)

    So far he has also fielded better than the two Cardinal shortstops.

    (So far, the two Cardinals are hitting like Babe Ruth, compared to Drew, so I like how management is now shifting away from "Iglesias must prove he can hit over .200)

    Most people on this board wanted to keep Iggy, but it's hard to argue he wasn't expendable when Peavy became available, Iggy had stopped hitting (July), the Sox were in the hunt for the postseason, and the Sox by then had two capable SS's, Drew and Bogaerts. 

    (Peavy became available because he stinks at the price tag and time he has left as a soft belly middle starter. He wasn't necessary with the internal options, and his 10 starts made no difference than the altnerative and the position in the playoffs. The Sox were virtually guaranteed the postseason by the time the deal was made, and Bogaerts still hasn't proven he's "a capable career starting SS".)

    The Sox did not in fact miss a beat after Iggy left. 

    (It's about the value of the future, and this deal was an embarrassment. The Sox don't "miss a beat" if they don't do the stupid has been Peavy deal, where they'll get nothing but a big bill while Iglesias provides many years of low cost elite level starting SS performance for the Tigers. Iglesias is just starting his career, and Peavy's is about over. I also find it dubious that any draft compensation comes from Drew, which makes this deal beyond stupidity)

     



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    As long as Drew hits the ball between Molina and Wainwright, he shall be fine.    LOL

     

     

     

     
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    Now that the whole "Red Sox never lose when Gomes is in the lineup" has been disproved, they should start playing the .300+ hitter Nava.

     
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    Have you watched his swing since the playoffs start? Do you see how slow his bat is? He may still come out of it? You can't give players rope at this point in the season. There may only be three games left.

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    He had a good swing against Martinez last night and sent a hard grounder up the middle.  They made a good play and took a hit away.

    He has looked bad, obviously.  But don't expect Middlebrooks to come in and light things up either.  Will hit .227 in the RS and is at .174 for the PS.  He has issues of his own.

     

     
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    Have you watched his swing since the playoffs start? Do you see how slow his bat is? He may still come out of it? You can't give players rope at this point in the season. There may only be three games left.

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    He had a good swing against Martinez last night and sent a hard grounder up the middle.  They made a good play and took a hit away.

    He has looked bad, obviously.  But don't expect Middlebrooks to come in and light things up either.  Will hit .227 in the RS and is at .174 for the PS.  He has issues of his own.

     

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    .174 is better than .097

    On that grounder, I cannot believe that he couldn't have beaten that out, especially being a lefty.

     
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    In response to Eddymon's comment:
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    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:
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    Have you watched his swing since the playoffs start? Do you see how slow his bat is? He may still come out of it? You can't give players rope at this point in the season. There may only be three games left.

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    He had a good swing against Martinez last night and sent a hard grounder up the middle.  They made a good play and took a hit away.

    He has looked bad, obviously.  But don't expect Middlebrooks to come in and light things up either.  Will hit .227 in the RS and is at .174 for the PS.  He has issues of his own.

     

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    .174 is better than .097

    On that grounder, I cannot believe that he couldn't have beaten that out, especially being a lefty.

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    It's not enough to justify taking Drew's glove out of the game.

    Not when one or two bad plays can cost the team a game.

     
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    Have you watched his swing since the playoffs start? Do you see how slow his bat is? He may still come out of it? You can't give players rope at this point in the season. There may only be three games left.

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    He had a good swing against Martinez last night and sent a hard grounder up the middle.  They made a good play and took a hit away.

    He has looked bad, obviously.  But don't expect Middlebrooks to come in and light things up either.  Will hit .227 in the RS and is at .174 for the PS.  He has issues of his own.

     

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    .174 is better than .097

    On that grounder, I cannot believe that he couldn't have beaten that out, especially being a lefty.

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    It's not enough to justify taking Drew's glove out of the game.

    Not when one or two bad plays can cost the team a game.

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    If need be, bring him in from the 7th inning on if there is a lead then.    One would think that the hitting slump would eventually get into his head and then cause a mental error on the field.   It's only a matter of time.

     
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    Plus I would trust in Middlebrooks to at least move a runner to the next base either by sac fly or opposite way.   Drew just seems to try and pull the ball every time.

     
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    Have you watched his swing since the playoffs start? Do you see how slow his bat is? He may still come out of it? You can't give players rope at this point in the season. There may only be three games left.

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    He had a good swing against Martinez last night and sent a hard grounder up the middle.  They made a good play and took a hit away.

    He has looked bad, obviously.  But don't expect Middlebrooks to come in and light things up either.  Will hit .227 in the RS and is at .174 for the PS.  He has issues of his own.

     

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    .174 is better than .097

    On that grounder, I cannot believe that he couldn't have beaten that out, especially being a lefty.

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    It's not enough to justify taking Drew's glove out of the game.

    Not when one or two bad plays can cost the team a game.

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    If need be, bring him in from the 7th inning on if there is a lead then.    One would think that the hitting slump would eventually get into his head and then cause a mental error on the field.   It's only a matter of time.

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    The Cards had two bad plays that cost them runs in the second inning.

    Drew is staying in the lineup.

     
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    Regardless of how Drew is hitting, he has PREVENTED more runs than he has prevented with his bat.  He stays.

    HOwever, it's time for Nava and Ross the rest of the way.  JF's "gut" with Gomes has now crossed the line to blind superstition!

     
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