ESPN's Jason Martinez: "Red Sox In Better Shape Than Yanks"

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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    In response to TrotterNixon's comment:

    The Red Sox are the worst big market franchise value performance team in MLB history, over the last half a decade.



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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    For at least a half a decade, Moonshwemp et al have trumpeted how the old Yankees are going to break down. ...

    More lies.

    At least a half a decade is over 5 years.

    4  years ago, I mentioned how the age of the Yankees doesn't ever seem to effect them.

    3 years ago, I said we should see some decline from the big named older guys on the team, and that has happened. I never said they would not replace their production with other players.

    2 years ago, I said that unless they made some key acquisitions, their age should catch up to them.

    Last winter, I started the "Yank Tank" thread that was banned shortly afterward by the Romney-loving NT Times radicals.

    Get the facts straight.

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

     

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    However there are many Yankee fans on NYC forums who pretend to know exactly what the Yankee front office will do, should do, and will be inept at once again. At least those know-it-alls are on a Yankee forum instead of living on a rival team's forum. I could never figure out why nice persons would live on a rival team's forum and enjoy themselves. Kind of like a McCoy going to the Hatfield's home for Thanksgiving.

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    Like Yonkersman, @rse?

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

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    Kind of unpredictable.

    Hard to tell what this Yankee front office is going to do.

    We'll know by spring.




    It's hard to see how much they can do unless they raise their budget or somehow rid themselves of their big money underperformers....hello, Magic!

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    In response to TrotterNixon's comment:

    2 years ago, I said that unless they made some key acquisitions, their age should catch up to them.

    Your story every year changes and is incoherent.

    The Yankees have won the division nearly ever year since you started talking about them breaking down. This year, they were in the ALCS despite losing jeter, Mo and A-Rod being terrible most of the season.  Tex, who is not one of the old men yet, got hurt at year end that started the pitching around the Yankees and the soft belly in the middle.

    Shwemp, you don't have a clue.




    Always defending the NYY and bashing the Sox...Hmmm

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    we won 69 games last season...we are not in better shape than the team that won the division

     

    we should worry about rebuilding our pitching and getting some healthy, clutch players

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

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    we won 69 games last season...we are not in better shape than the team that won the division

     n

    we should worry about rebuilding our pitching and getting some healthy, clutch players



    Maybe you are right, geo...Then again I have no clue anymore...I am just hoping the Yanks finally abandon their fiscal austerity and start spending again...But if they play it conservatively and avoid the big FA's like Josh Hamilton, I suspect that Jason Martinez is not far off the mark....

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    Been a Red Sox fan since 1967...

    Figures that you were a bandwagon jumper even back then.

     

    2 years ago, I said that unless they made some key acquisitions, their age should catch up to them.

    Your story every year changes and is incoherent.

    The Yankees have won the division nearly ever year since you started talking about them breaking down. This year, they were in the ALCS despite losing jeter, Mo and A-Rod being terrible most of the season.  Tex, who is not one of the old men yet, got hurt at year end that started the pitching around the Yankees and the soft belly in the middle.

    Shwemp, you don't have a clue.

    I never once projected the Yanks to not make the playoffs. I said their aged players were in decline and were likely to continue to do so. I pointed out that their aged players held more important roles to their success than our aged players. I also said that I did not agree with those who claimed that the Yanks would not keep spending to replace or cover for declining players. Keeping Sabathia in the fold was a huge move by the Yanks. Picking up Soriano to "cover for" the aging Mo was expensive but worthwhile. I can imagine if we had signed Soriano to that amount of cash to be Papelbon's back-up and eventual replacement. You'd have crucified Theo, yet you praise Brian.

    The fact is, the Yanks are not as good as they were in 2009. Winning the division and 93+ games since then is all well and good, but denying they have declined the past 3 years is typical of your M.O. ...the 3 D's:

    Deny, distract, and dishonesty.

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    In response to SonicsMonksLyresVicars' comment:

    In response to ThatWasMe's comment:

    Kind of unpredictable.

    Hard to tell what this Yankee front office is going to do.

    We'll know by spring.




     

     

    It's hard to see how much they can do unless they raise their budget or somehow rid themselves of their big money underperformers....hello, Magic!




    They do have some nice chips to make trades both on the club and down in the farm system.

    I know the media has it caste in stone the Yankees want to be down to 189 M.

    My skepticism about that theory is that we've all heard it before.

    Remember when they acquired Swisher and said this is our 1B for next season?

    Then a short time later Tex was available.

    I'm guessing that the 189 is a nice figure but ultimately that the Yankees off season moves will be dictated by who is available.

     

     
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    If the late Steinbrenner was still alive,.....

    "Andrew Jones, here is a greyhound ticket back to Atlanta."

    "A-Rod, next time you play, pretend like its 2007 or 2009." 

    "$189 million payroll by 2014?  What a load of crap."

    "I wish you a full recovery Jeter."

    "Kevin Long, you can sit with Andrew Jones.  Sayonara." 

     

     

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

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    If the late Steinbrenner was still alive,.....

    "Andrew Jones, here is a greyhound ticket back to Atlanta."

    "A-Rod, next time you play, pretend like its 2007 or 2009." 

    "$189 million payroll by 2014?  What a load of crap."

    "I wish you a full recovery Jeter."

    "Kevin Long, you can sit with Andrew Jones.  Sayonara." 

     

     

     




    And George would put people in the seats.

    His theory was you have to spend to make money, then he would plow the profits back into the organization.

    The Steinbrenners still own the team but clearly it has not been run like GS ran it.

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    According to softy, all is fine in Yankee land. "Wheelchair contracts" for every team except the Yanks are a waste of money. The Yanks are as strong as they were in 2009. All is well- softy said so. And, we all know softy is never wrong.

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    If forced to wager now: Yankees better off in 2013 but not after that.

    Sox have more down the farm but we all know prospects are no sure thing

    After FA, trades, and how injured players like Pineda and Lackey come back a lot can change.

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    The Yanks definitely have a better ML readyfor 2013 roster right now... old or not. They will likely pick up some key pieces to fill in some gaps. They have done well with the Eric Chavezes and Raul Ibanezes of the world.

    They have about $120M already signed up for 2013, but quite a few arbs cases to sign and FAs to replace or extend.

    FAs:

    Mo

    Kuroda

    Swisher

    Martin

    Suzuki

    Garcia

    Pettitte

    Ibanez

    Chavez

    Jones

    Lowe

    Qualls

     

    That's a lot of money coming off the books, although some will be returning for sure.

    The Yanks are not going away quickly, but their older high-priced players have been in a steady decline- some for 4+ years. They play key roles in the success of the Yankees, particularly in the playoffs, and this year many were out hurt, being benched, or slumping badly.

    The Yanks still won 95 games this year- injuries and all, but this is not as strong a team as the 2009 season.

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    The Yanks definitely have a better ML readyfor 2013 roster right now... old or not. They will likely pick up some key pieces to fill in some gaps. They have done well with the Eric Chavezes and Raul Ibanezes of the world.

    They have about $120M already signed up for 2013, but quite a few arbs cases to sign and FAs to replace or extend.

    FAs:

    Mo

    Kuroda

    Swisher

    Martin

    Suzuki

    Garcia

    Pettitte

    Ibanez

    Chavez

    Jones

    Lowe

    Qualls

     

    That's a lot of money coming off the books, although some will be returning for sure.

    The Yanks are not going away quickly, but their older high-priced players have been in a steady decline- some for 4+ years. They play key roles in the success of the Yankees, particularly in the playoffs, and this year many were out hurt, being benched, or slumping badly.

    The Yanks still won 95 games this year- injuries and all, but this is not as strong a team as the 2009 season.



    Right on point as usual, moon...

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    I love how a Yankee fan can create a thread starting a discussion about the Yankees when Sox fans can't do that. Are you planning on creating 1,000 more threads based on every thought in your head concerning your team?

    And FTR, I don't buy how you go about it, by seemingly complimenting the Sox just so posters come in to disagree and laud the Yankees. I really think that Yankee fans obsession with this site is beyond bizarre. I can't even imagine being interested in what Yankee fans are saying on their sites, nevermind spending all my baseball time reading it. That must be some form of mental illness. Just not sure what to call it. Maybe they're Yankee fans who secretly wish they were Sox fans, but it's too ingrained to change it, so they hang around their sites and talk about the Sox all day and night. You could call it Sox-envy.

     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    The latest comments on Martinez's article are tres interessant...

    sadok40 There is no rivalry between these two teams anymore the Yanks AL East rival is Baltimore then Tampa. 45 Minutes Ago     ·  Like  ·  Reply  ·  Quote  ·  Flag             yanksfan32190     Ya, judging how good two teams are before free agency even starts is a fantastic idea. You have no idea what's going to happen this winter. 54 Minutes Ago     ·  Like  ·  Reply  ·  Quote  ·  Flag             S_Ganis     The Yankees have been "too old" for years. "ESPNNESN" should write about something else. Yanks always improve and will win the AL East next year. I'm done with the insider subscriptions and other ESPNNESN interest. They had the best record in the AL in spite of losing Mo, Alex, tex, Gardy, Joba and whoever else. You can't possibly compare a Redsox team in their current condition to the Yankees. And believe me, I'd rather see the Yanks and Sox battle out for the AL. That's the best baseball ther ... more 2 Hours Ago     ·  Like  ·  Reply  ·  Quote  ·  Flag             sundance171722     When you a player is in decline you usually have to eat those words the next year, so be careful what you say Jason, you may have to eat those words. 3 Hours Ago     ·  Like  ·  Reply  ·  Quote  ·  Flag             katthekid     With the highest payroll every year this century the Yankees have won one world series. They remind of one of those NBA teams that are good enough to make the playoffs every year but not good enoug to win them. Yet they win too many games to get good players through the draft. The Red Sodx had the same problem until this year. Now they can both sign a type A free agent without losing their first round draft pick and have the money to sign international players. The O's werr a fluke and the Ray's ... more 4 Hours Ago     ·  Like  ·  Reply  ·  Quote  ·  Flag             jdelli128     Derp- Both teams are in trouble. Rays and O's are new beasts of the East. Of course the Yankees will still find a way to be competitive but that Sox roster is a gigantic mess. Love it. 5 Hours Ago     ·  Like  ·  Reply  ·  Quote  ·  Flag             Srodg2     This has to be the most illiterate Yankee bunch of recent memory. You guys use to be smart. Now you're a bunch of raving lunes. I use to like running into Yankee fans at sports bars but if I bumped into any of you I think I am likely to slap you. 1 fan likes this. October 28 2012, 11:19 AM     ·  Like  ·  Reply  ·  Quote  ·  Flag         danielgmolnar     They remind me of Dallas Cowboy fans who think that because they won 3 Superbowls when Jimmy Johnson/Barry Switzer was coach that is somehow relevant to this season. October 28 2012, 11:23 AM     ·  Like  ·  Reply  ·  Quote  ·  Flag               sammin75     Sometimes, I have to wonder what is the point with this network.  
    I realize that Red Sox province needs some help with it's esteem, but they have NESN for that.  
    The Sox have money under the cap, but you are assuming they are going to spend it. If these teams were to send out the exact same rosters to spring training next season, the Sox are going to be lucky to break 75 wins.  
    They don't have much pitching, they have huge holes in their lineup, and questionable fills in Ellsbury (health), Iglesi
    ... more October 28 2012, 1:54 AM     ·  Like  ·  Reply  ·  Quote  ·  Flag         danielgmolnar     Much of what you say is not accurate. The Sox have greater financial flexibility to fill many of those holes you mention. However, it is unlikely they will spend the entire amount after trading $200+ million to the Dodgers in August. Giving out long term deals to free agents would not be wise (that is how the Yankees ended up with so many older players on their roster). Boston does have pitching (4-5 starters and plenty of relievers). Ellsbury is entering the final year of his deal, so Cheringto ... more October 28 2012, 11:19 AM     ·  Like  ·  Reply  ·  Quote  ·  Flag                
     
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    Re: ESPN's Jason Martinez:

    The latest comments from where? Are you going to now bring comments from whatever other sites you're on to this forum as if those opinions matter for whatever reason about your thread? Has the world gone mad?

    It's like a Yankee fan gone wild.

     
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