Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

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    Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    He got his two year contract at the wrong time. Why rush back and play. He got the money, and Ben C threw money away.

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    It was risky and it was partially motivated by PR.  But that's what big-market teams do.  The Sox risked 26 million.  The Angels risked 5 times that much on Hamilton. 

    The money ain't thrown away yet.  The contract is for 324 games. 

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    The knowledgeable Ben Cherington:


    n early November, when Ortiz was signed to a two-year contract, general manager Ben Cherington didn’t seem too worried about the health of his designated hitter.

    “He’s feeling a lot better now. It’s not a concern moving forward any more than it would be for any player,” Cherington said.

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    In response to selenium-'s comment:

    Can anyone recall if ADG ever started a thread where he didn't whine, pout, and cry?




    Plenty, but a lot of them are true so take off your rose colored goggles. Punto, Crawful, Lackey, Beckett, etc.

    I started threads on Matt Barnes, JBJ, etc. I'm a realist like Bill, Softy, etc. You hope for the best and avoid reality.

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    It was risky, ADG.  We get it.  Pretty sure Cherington knew that too and still does.

     
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    In response to selenium-'s comment:

    Can anyone recall if ADG ever started a thread where he didn't whine, pout, and cry?



    Can anyone recall a thread where Pike hasn't criticized other posters and avoided baseball topics?

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    Papi was underpaid for years. He's a legend. Nobody has done more for this team than Papi. 

    We could have "done better" with the money, but I have no issue paying our hero backpay.

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    David Ortiz is a Sox icon.  You have to give him the consideration that you might not necessarily give to others.  Is it a gamble ?  Of course it is.

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    In response to ADG's comment:

    In response to selenium-'s comment:

    Can anyone recall if ADG ever started a thread where he didn't whine, pout, and cry?

    Plenty, but a lot of them are true so take off your rose colored goggles. Punto, Crawful, Lackey, Beckett, etc.

    I started threads on Matt Barnes, JBJ, etc. I'm a realist like Bill, Softy, etc. You hope for the best and avoid reality.



    ADG, 

    I wouldn't use Bill806 and Softy as examples of being a realist unless you live in Dante's Inferno or the Twighlight Zone. They both make interesting reading if you enjoy scratching your hemmeroids. 

    Hetch

     

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you're not happy about it.

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    Its hard to be overly critical of this contract because at the time it was negotiated it seemed that Ortiz was on the road to recovery. You cannot judge the contract through the retrospectoscope. If he is fully recovered and is as productive as he generally is then he is worth all of the money he will be given. Besides, we are more than likely not going to compete for a ring for the duration of his contract, so its not really holding back the team for when we are relevant again.

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

     Spring training only has about 2 weeks left and he hasn't played a game yet.He should be written off for the whole season now,and next season as well.

     

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

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     Spring training only has about 2 weeks left and he hasn't played a game yet.He should be written off for the whole season now,and next season as well.

     


    Wow.....that's a very ridiculous statement.......  The guy is rehabbing an injury....hasn't played a ST game...but has been doing jogging and hitting int he cage....and you're saying he's not going to play for 2 years?  ok.......

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

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     Spring training only has about 2 weeks left and he hasn't played a game yet.He should be written off for the whole season now,and next season as well.

     

     


    Wow.....that's a very ridiculous statement.......  The guy is rehabbing an injury....hasn't played a ST game...but has been doing jogging and hitting int he cage....and you're saying he's not going to play for 2 years?  ok.......

     

     



    It was sarcasm in response to the first post.

     

     
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     Spring training only has about 2 weeks left and he hasn't played a game yet.He should be written off for the whole season now,and next season as well.

     

     


    Wow.....that's a very ridiculous statement.......  The guy is rehabbing an injury....hasn't played a ST game...but has been doing jogging and hitting int he cage....and you're saying he's not going to play for 2 years?  ok.......

     

     



    It was sarcasm in response to the first post.

     



    oops.....(as I insert foot in mouth).  Sorry about that...my bad!!!

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

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    He got his two year contract at the wrong time. Why rush back and play. He got the money, and Ben C threw money away.



    You're pathetic.  Even your whines du jour are getting weaker by the day.  If you don't waht to put any effort into hating the Red Sox, please go hate some other team.  There are plenty of qualified haters willing to take your place.

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    In response to ADG's comment:

    In response to selenium-'s comment:

     

    Can anyone recall if ADG ever started a thread where he didn't whine, pout, and cry?

     




    Plenty, but a lot of them are true so take off your rose colored goggles. Punto, Crawful, Lackey, Beckett, etc.

     

    I started threads on Matt Barnes, JBJ, etc. I'm a realist like Bill, Softy, etc. You hope for the best and avoid reality.




    seriously? That doesnt add anything positive to your already minimal credibility...

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    In response to southpaw777's comment:

    In response to ADG's comment:

     

    In response to selenium-'s comment:

     

    Can anyone recall if ADG ever started a thread where he didn't whine, pout, and cry?

     




    Plenty, but a lot of them are true so take off your rose colored goggles. Punto, Crawful, Lackey, Beckett, etc.

     

    I started threads on Matt Barnes, JBJ, etc. I'm a realist like Bill, Softy, etc. You hope for the best and avoid reality.

     




    seriously? That doesnt add anything positive to your already minimal credibility...

     

    Can't be all that bad, sounds like he is in good company !!!!!


     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    In response to Bill-806's comment:

    In response to southpaw777's comment:

     

    In response to ADG's comment:

     

    In response to selenium-'s comment:

     

    Can anyone recall if ADG ever started a thread where he didn't whine, pout, and cry?

     




    Plenty, but a lot of them are true so take off your rose colored goggles. Punto, Crawful, Lackey, Beckett, etc.

     

    I started threads on Matt Barnes, JBJ, etc. I'm a realist like Bill, Softy, etc. You hope for the best and avoid reality.

     




    seriously? That doesnt add anything positive to your already minimal credibility...

     

     

    Can't be all that bad, sounds like he is in good company !!!!!


     




    It was much better when we actually had a decent baseball discussion the other day Bill...Although its your prerogative, there really is no need to start the same thread, albeit a different title...

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

     He earned it with 2 World Series. Same as when slap hitter Jeter was making 20 Million a yr.

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

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     He earned it with 2 World Series. Same as when slap hitter Jeter was making 20 Million a yr.




    Thats a "BINGO!!!"

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    He earned his salary for 2004 and 2007 during those seasons. Last I checked he only stupid baseball teams pay employees for things they used to do.

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

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    He earned his salary for 2004 and 2007 during those seasons. Last I checked he only stupid baseball teams pay employees for things they used to do.



    Soooooo.....if you don't pay a player based on their history....then what else do you have to go by?  The only FACTS is their history, basing salary on what a player COULD do is even more stupid.....

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Papi was underpaid for years. He's a legend. Nobody has done more for this team than Papi. 

    We could have "done better" with the money, but I have no issue paying our hero backpay.



    This is a fair point...and for whatever reason it still pisses me off!

    Maybe because he's complained about money so many times, for so many seasons.

    Maybe it's the thought of one over-paid millionaire complaining that he's not as over-paid as the even MORE absurdly over-paid millionaires. 

    Or that he got it after a day-to-day injury turned into 6 months and counting...

    As I write this, I remember more and more reasons. So it's not one thing I suppose, but a lot of things. Yes, he did great things as a Red Sox. He's been properly compensated and revered. He already had been before the 2 year deal.

    In the end, he probably gets too much criticism. They overpaid eveyone except Napoli.

    After the Dodgers trade, the team said they would spend competitively in 2013 and would, again, be among the highest payrolls in the majors. I laughed. Most people did. They had something like 45million guaranteed. After arbitration cases, I think it was expected around 60. Anyway...they spent their money now. An extra fiteen here...twelve there...over and over again...and they did it. They spent a lot of bad money. Fortunately, they didn't give up many prospects or picks, but for Hanrahan. And in a few years, most will be gone, or sooner.

     
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    Re: Everyone happy about the Ben Cherington Contract to David Ortiz?

    underpaid? That is a load of garbage. 

     
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