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    al 34 is dead on...lets worry about making 2013 better first.....before we laetr complain about having our money tied up ben....seems to be another act of deflection the fo is becoming so good at

     
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    Who said there is a rush to sign him? Not Ben. There have been discussions as there should be for many reasons.

    Is it ok if BC sleeps at night too, or would you feel better that he doesnt so he can build this team? Are you telling me that a couple talks with pedey and his agent will hurt their attempt to field a winning team for 2013? Really? I guess some are just looking for more reasons to complain.

     
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    Who said there is a rush to sign him? Not Ben. There have been discussions as there should be for many reasons.

    Is it ok if BC sleeps at night too, or would you feel better that he doesnt so he can build this team? Are you telling me that a couple talks with pedey and his agent will hurt their attempt to field a winning team for 2013? Really? I guess some are just looking for more reasons to complain.

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    They are just using this as a deflection to take the heat off of their lack of doing anything except picking up a backup catcher at this point. I also have no confidence in Larry Luchinno either who blatantly spins issues like picking up a pitcher at the beginning of last season and "empowering Cherrington to do something big at the trade deadline " of which neither was done. Yes there was a salry dump a couple of weeks later to save Henry millions at the end of the season and in the future as well.

     
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    The Sox are talking to pedroia about locking him up for the rest of his career in Boston. They also mentioned Will Middlebrooks and Jon Lester...

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/red-sox-plan-extension-talks-with-dustin-pedroia.html

    Cherrington is looking to have a core of players for the forseeable future. Good move.

     

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    Whats the hurry to lock up Pedroia and Lester now? I think they ought to wait to see how healthy Pedroia can be next year and what kind of pitcher Lester is as well. He didn't pitch well this year and if there is a repeat performance next year I don't want him locked up. The team made the mistake of locking up some bums recently and I hope they have learned from their mistakes.

     
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    One of the toughest calls to make southpaw.  Lester and Pede have had recent setbacks and Middy has yet to play his first full season, while already spending time on the DL. 

    I agree about keeping the core together buts still a crap shoot, like with Beckett. 

     
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    Whats the hurry to lock up Pedroia and Lester now? I think they ought to wait to see how healthy Pedroia can be next year and what kind of pitcher Lester is as well. He didn't pitch well this year and if there is a repeat performance next year I don't want him locked up. The team made the mistake of locking up some bums recently and I hope they have learned from their mistakes.

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    I don't get it either mr green

    what's the rush with any of them especially mbrooks

    seems like sox are taking an unnecessary risk after such a short sample

    why not wait at least another yr

    then again TB extended Longoria after a month

    almost like buying the cow when you get the milk for free

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    I agree as far as Middlebrooks, but their thinking with Pedroia may be, with Cano becoming a free agent next year, he'll be looking for a huge contract (already rumored to be 200,000) which will drive up PD's asking price. They may want to try to lock him in long term, for less.

     

     
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    The Sox are talking to pedroia about locking him up for the rest of his career in Boston. They also mentioned Will Middlebrooks and Jon Lester...

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/red-sox-plan-extension-talks-with-dustin-pedroia.html

    Cherrington is looking to have a core of players for the forseeable future. Good move.

     

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    Just read this too.  I think holding onto the core is great.  I think the hardest thing to see is what to add to the core that makes us viable.  We have some good prospects, but with the thin FA market makes me nervous.   Admittedly, I don't know enough about the construct of what it will take to turn the corner but I am very glad to keep Pedey, espcially, and Lester and Clay.  

     

     

     
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    Pedroia and Middlebrooks are the only serious trade bait we have for an ace.....personally i would wait on lester - if he doesnt return to form then that is two years in a row he has declined...not a good sign...

    we had all these players last year and we stunk -  i agree with Alibike, get some impact players and then think about resigning these three....

     
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    The Sox are talking to pedroia about locking him up for the rest of his career in Boston. They also mentioned Will Middlebrooks and Jon Lester...

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/red-sox-plan-extension-talks-with-dustin-pedroia.html

    Cherrington is looking to have a core of players for the forseeable future. Good move.

     

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    Whats the hurry to lock up Pedroia and Lester now? I think they ought to wait to see how healthy Pedroia can be next year and what kind of pitcher Lester is as well. He didn't pitch well this year and if there is a repeat performance next year I don't want him locked up. The team made the mistake of locking up some bums recently and I hope they have learned from their mistakes.

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    He has them for another two years, what is the rush here  unless management wants a lower base salary for the next two years.

     
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    Whats the hurry to lock up Pedroia and Lester now? I think they ought to wait to see how healthy Pedroia can be next year and what kind of pitcher Lester is as well. He didn't pitch well this year and if there is a repeat performance next year I don't want him locked up. The team made the mistake of locking up some bums recently and I hope they have learned from their mistakes.

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    I don't get it either mr green

    what's the rush with any of them especially mbrooks

    seems like sox are taking an unnecessary risk after such a short sample

    why not wait at least another yr

    then again TB extended Longoria after a month

    almost like buying the cow when you get the milk for free

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    I agree as far as Middlebrooks, but they're thinking with Pedroia may be, with Cano becoming a free agent next year, he'll be looking for a huge contract (already rumored to be 200,000) which will drive up PD's asking price. They may want to try to lock him in long term, for less.

     

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    JBay no way Pedroia is as good a hitter as Cano nor does he deserve that type of money which is rediculous.

     
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    Whats the hurry to lock up Pedroia and Lester now? I think they ought to wait to see how healthy Pedroia can be next year and what kind of pitcher Lester is as well. He didn't pitch well this year and if there is a repeat performance next year I don't want him locked up. The team made the mistake of locking up some bums recently and I hope they have learned from their mistakes.

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    I don't get it either mr green

    what's the rush with any of them especially mbrooks

    seems like sox are taking an unnecessary risk after such a short sample

    why not wait at least another yr

    then again TB extended Longoria after a month

    almost like buying the cow when you get the milk for free

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    I agree as far as Middlebrooks, but they're thinking with Pedroia may be, with Cano becoming a free agent next year, he'll be looking for a huge contract (already rumored to be 200,000) which will drive up PD's asking price. They may want to try to lock him in long term, for less.

     

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    JBay no way Pedroia is as good a hitter as Cano nor does he deserve that type of money which is rediculous.

     
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    The Sox are talking to pedroia about locking him up for the rest of his career in Boston. They also mentioned Will Middlebrooks and Jon Lester...

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/red-sox-plan-extension-talks-with-dustin-pedroia.html

    Cherrington is looking to have a core of players for the forseeable future. Good move.

     

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    Whats the hurry to lock up Pedroia and Lester now? I think they ought to wait to see how healthy Pedroia can be next year and what kind of pitcher Lester is as well. He didn't pitch well this year and if there is a repeat performance next year I don't want him locked up. The team made the mistake of locking up some bums recently and I hope they have learned from their mistakes.

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    He has them for another two years, what is the rush here  unless management wants a lower base salary for the next two years.

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    this really does make little sense considering the record of the team, middlebrooks small sample size, the shakiness of lester in 2012, and pedroia's recent injuries...

    better off adding core players, not resigning ones you already have under contract...but then again Ben is the master of lateral moves

     
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    Whats the hurry to lock up Pedroia and Lester now? I think they ought to wait to see how healthy Pedroia can be next year and what kind of pitcher Lester is as well. He didn't pitch well this year and if there is a repeat performance next year I don't want him locked up. The team made the mistake of locking up some bums recently and I hope they have learned from their mistakes.

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    I don't get it either mr green

    what's the rush with any of them especially mbrooks

    seems like sox are taking an unnecessary risk after such a short sample

    why not wait at least another yr

    then again TB extended Longoria after a month

    almost like buying the cow when you get the milk for free

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    I think I get the logic of extending now.....it's a negotiation...the Sox have - presumably! - two more quality years from Midds at 500k per...they and he then share 3 more years at or probably under market value through arb.  Then it's free agency at the money trough.

    The longer the Sox wait, the worse their negotiating position.

    Should have waited to bring him up!

     

     
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    I think I get the logic of extending now.....it's a negotiation...the Sox have - presumably! - two more quality years from Midds at 500k per...they and he then share 3 more years at or probably under market value through arb.  Then it's free agency at the money trough.

    The longer the Sox wait, the worse their negotiating position.

    Should have waited to bring him up!

    I really thought that would've been obvious.  The pros and cons offset.  If he has a bad season, it was a bad idea.  If he has a good season, it was a good idea.  There is no real value judgement here.  It doesn't even make sense to question the extension without knowing the terms.  For example, would anyoine object to $5M/5 for WMB?  Of course not, so why complain until you know the terms.

     
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    I think I get the logic of extending now.....it's a negotiation...the Sox have - presumably! - two more quality years from Midds at 500k per...they and he then share 3 more years at or probably under market value through arb.  Then it's free agency at the money trough.

    The longer the Sox wait, the worse their negotiating position.

    Should have waited to bring him up!

     

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    thanks SonicsMonksLyresVicars

    I more or less understand the concept

    but they could still save money by

    doing it next yr with less risk

    I think the yanks actually waited until cano was arbitration eligible

    obviously they are very confident he will continue to shine

    as he did for a 1/2 of a season this yr

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    Ah, I think we're largely in agreement Zac.  I believe the Sox could save money by extending Midds now, as above....but if it was my decision I would definitely wait at least half a season because Midds' sample size is so small and the risk therefore so great.

    With all due respect, Midds is no Longoria....I think he'll have a good, good+ career but there's a real chance his indiscipline at the plate will hurt him badly, and his fielding may not develop to be a plus to offset any possible offensive regression.

     

     

     
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    Whats the hurry to lock up Pedroia and Lester now? I think they ought to wait to see how healthy Pedroia can be next year and what kind of pitcher Lester is as well. He didn't pitch well this year and if there is a repeat performance next year I don't want him locked up. The team made the mistake of locking up some bums recently and I hope they have learned from their mistakes.

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    I don't get it either mr green

    what's the rush with any of them especially mbrooks

    seems like sox are taking an unnecessary risk after such a short sample

    why not wait at least another yr

    then again TB extended Longoria after a month

    almost like buying the cow when you get the milk for free

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    I agree as far as Middlebrooks, but their thinking with Pedroia may be, with Cano becoming a free agent next year, he'll be looking for a huge contract (already rumored to be 200,000) which will drive up PD's asking price. They may want to try to lock him in long term, for less.

     

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    JBay no way Pedroia is as good a hitter as Cano nor does he deserve that type of money which is rediculous.

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    I wasnt suggesting he was or does, AL. My point is, the more Cano gets, the higher Pedroia's price tag will be. 

     
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    Whats the hurry to lock up Pedroia and Lester now? I think they ought to wait to see how healthy Pedroia can be next year and what kind of pitcher Lester is as well. He didn't pitch well this year and if there is a repeat performance next year I don't want him locked up. The team made the mistake of locking up some bums recently and I hope they have learned from their mistakes.

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    I don't get it either mr green

    what's the rush with any of them especially mbrooks

    seems like sox are taking an unnecessary risk after such a short sample

    why not wait at least another yr

    then again TB extended Longoria after a month

    almost like buying the cow when you get the milk for free

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    I agree as far as Middlebrooks, but they're thinking with Pedroia may be, with Cano becoming a free agent next year, he'll be looking for a huge contract (already rumored to be 200,000) which will drive up PD's asking price. They may want to try to lock him in long term, for less.

     

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    I can almost buy signing Pedroia long term. I have seen enough of him to know that he will always be a good ball player, at least until age catches up to him, and he will always give 110% out there. WMB has not even played one full season here; its absurd to sign him long term until we see him for at least one more year. And as for Lester, I think that signing him long term is patently unwise. His velocity is down and is likely to continue to go down. He stunk last year and frankly, I do not see him improving to anything more than a functional #4 SP for an ostensibly contending team (the standards are higher for teams in contention IMO).

     
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    Who said there is a rush to sign him? Not Ben. There have been discussions as there should be for many reasons.

    Is it ok if BC sleeps at night too, or would you feel better that he doesnt so he can build this team? Are you telling me that a couple talks with pedey and his agent will hurt their attempt to field a winning team for 2013? Really? I guess some are just looking for more reasons to complain.

     

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    They are just using this as a deflection to take the heat off of their lack of doing anything except picking up a backup catcher at this point. I also have no confidence in Larry Luchinno either who blatantly spins issues like picking up a pitcher at the beginning of last season and "empowering Cherrington to do something big at the trade deadline " of which neither was done. Yes there was a salry dump a couple of weeks later to save Henry millions at the end of the season and in the future as well.

     

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    No, one reason is because of cano and his contract hes sure to get. if he signs first that will make Pedeys go way up, so they want to take care of that extension now... They also would like him to spend his career here,or most of it anyway. He might not get or deserve as much as cano, but either way it will drive his price up.

    I dont think they will extend WMB until next offseason if they do anyway. His and Lesters names were just mentioned as possibilities while Pedey was the main concern right now for reasons above.

     
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    Who said there is a rush to sign him? Not Ben. There have been discussions as there should be for many reasons.

    Is it ok if BC sleeps at night too, or would you feel better that he doesnt so he can build this team? Are you telling me that a couple talks with pedey and his agent will hurt their attempt to field a winning team for 2013? Really? I guess some are just looking for more reasons to complain.

     

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    They are just using this as a deflection to take the heat off of their lack of doing anything except picking up a backup catcher at this point. I also have no confidence in Larry Luchinno either who blatantly spins issues like picking up a pitcher at the beginning of last season and "empowering Cherrington to do something big at the trade deadline " of which neither was done. Yes there was a salry dump a couple of weeks later to save Henry millions at the end of the season and in the future as well.

     

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    No, one reason is because of cano and his contract hes sure to get. if he signs first that will make Pedeys go way up, so they want to take care of that extension now... They also would like him to spend his career here,or most of it anyway. He might not get or deserve as much as cano, but either way it will drive his price up.

    I dont think they will extend WMB until next offseason if they do anyway. His and Lesters names were just mentioned as possibilities while Pedey was the main concern right now for reasons above.

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    I love Pede southpaw but Cano will get much more on the open market regardless.  He has been one of the most consistent all round players in the league.  Pede has been injured a couple times and would need to get back to his old stats before being anywhere close in value.

     
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    I wouldn't be at all suprised to see any or all of the three extended.  But for one reason nobody as mentioned:

    It makes them more tradeable.

    If I were in their shoes there's no way I'd sign an extention without a no trade clause.

     
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    One of the toughest calls to make southpaw.  Lester and Pede have had recent setbacks and Middy has yet to play his first full season, while already spending time on the DL. 

    I agree about keeping the core together buts still a crap shoot, like with Beckett. 

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    You take a chance signing any player. I think Pedey would be Ok adding a couple more years to his deal before the market skyrockets when Cano gets his mega-deal.

    also, I never said pedey would get or deserves to get as much as Cano. Just the fact that when Cano gets paid, the market price will go up. better to lock him up now.

     
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