Farrell pulling a Francona

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    Farrell pulling a Francona

    Gomes and Drew have done nothing offensively since the PS began.  Nava and Carp were two of our most reliable players from the left side all season.  So why has Farrell has gone from a manager who utilized our deep bench all year to relying on one set lineup?

    Farrells weakness as a manager and a Francona type attitude towards favorotism for certain players who don't deserve to be in our lineup may end up being the difference in this series.  We are clearly the better team and there is nothing special in Wacka's pitching, we simply just put the wrong lineup out there again tonight so we desreve to lose this game.

     

     
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    Wacha deserves credit, he's been doing this all post-season.  Nava should be in the lineup against righties, it's stupid not to play him. 

     
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    Oh, please. We're winning the series, so what does it matter that we didn't win this game? Everyone always has better ideas than the manager, no matter who the manager may be. In this case, it's the guy that got them here in the first place, after being in last place just last season. Give it a rest already. Nobody can do a better job than Farrell has done with this team.

     
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    "Farrells weakness as a manager and a Francona type attitude towards favorotism for certain players who don't deserve to be in our lineup may end up being the difference in this series"

    Francona has two world series rings and succeeded where Grady 

    Little failed. We should all hope that Farrell pulls a Francona and 

    gets us two more rings. 

    Give me your address, I'll have my friends in Japan send you 

    about a hundred Bobby Valentine bobblehead dolls

     
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    Gomes and Drew have done nothing offensively since the PS began.

    That's only part of the game.  Drew has done a great job in field, and for the most part, so has Gomes.

     Nava and Carp were two of our most reliable players from the left side all season.  So why has Farrell has gone from a manager who utilized our deep bench all year to relying on one set lineup?

    Carp didn't look that great either when he had his chance in the post season.  Nava should start in St. Louis, at least a game or two, or three if he earns it with his play.  And, set lineup?  I didn't realize Xander Bogaerts was part of a "set lineup".  

    Farrells weakness as a manager and a Francona type attitude towards favorotism for certain players who don't deserve to be in our lineup may end up being the difference in this series.  We are clearly the better team and there is nothing special in Wacka's pitching, we simply just put the wrong lineup out there again tonight so we desreve to lose this game.

    Yeh, Francona was so weak in leading them to 2 World Series, and Farrell in turning this team around like this in his first season as Red Sox manager.  I guess they should have consulted you.  

     

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    "Pulling a Francona"

    Does that mean winning the World Series?

     
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    The sox lost a game, around here thay means time to over react and complain. THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

     
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    The sox lost a game, around here thay means time to over react and complain. THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

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    I don't think the sky is falling, but I think this guy is falling.

     
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    Oh for freak's sake about managers.  Even Farrell himself has said the players play the game and the manager's "coaching" comes down to knowing when to pull a pitcher and subbing the lineup.

    You win some, you lose some: Bogaerts for Middelbrooks against Detroit worked superbly. Morales was a disaster.  Gomes worked against Detroit and didn't tonight.  For every good move, there's one that doesn't work out as planned.

    Breslow's and Salty's errors are not Farrell's fault.  In the same vein Mueller's tying RBI against Rivera in the 2004 ALCS was not "because of" Francona.

    Right now, on to Peavy.  Farrell has ZERO control over how Peavy will perform.  Peavy throws the ball, not Farrell.

     
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    Oh, please. We're winning the series, so what does it matter that we didn't win this game? Everyone always has better ideas than the manager, no matter who the manager may be. In this case, it's the guy that got them here in the first place, after being in last place just last season. Give it a rest already. Nobody can do a better job than Farrell has done with this team.

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    Ummm...we are TIED for the series. We have not won it. Thats delusional. If Farrell keeps mismanaging we are not getting a ring. Nava should be in there every game, not Johnny-do -little Gomes. Thats just stupid managing. I don't think it cost us this game entirely, but it didn't help. FaultySalty, Johnny-do-little, Breslow, and Lackey (yes, Lackey for walking whoever it was in the 7th), Drew the Useless....they all carry the blame. We GAVE THIS ONE AWAY. Thats just the way it is.

     
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    Oh for freak's sake about managers.  Even Farrell himself has said the players play the game and the manager's "coaching" comes down to knowing when to pull a pitcher and subbing the lineup.

    You win some, you lose some: Bogaerts for Middelbrooks against Detroit worked superbly. Morales was a disaster.  Gomes worked against Detroit and didn't tonight.  For every good move, there's one that doesn't work out as planned.

    Breslow's and Salty's errors are not Farrell's fault.  In the same vein Mueller's tying RBI against Rivera in the 2004 ALCS was not "because of" Francona.

    Right now, on to Peavy.  Farrell has ZERO control over how Peavy will perform.  Peavy throws the ball, not Farrell.

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    We rarely disagree, but I don't think you bench a .303 batter in favor of a .220 batter in the WS. Nava has done the job all year. He deserves ALL the start in LF.

     
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    i agree farell is pulling a francona and it could really end up costing us. if farrell was such a good manager, then why did the jays do so bad last year? red sox were one of the worst teams last and year and now we are in the ws, logic would suggest that if farrell was indeed the reason and is such a good manager, he would have been able to do the same with the jays. The reality is, farrell like francona is a manager players like but his in game managerial skills are lacking. he just makes so many mistakes on a consistant basis. Take tonights game for example, right off the bat he started gomes and drew, easily the sox 2 worse hitters right now (gomes has never been good) and gomes is one of the worst defenders on the team (if not the worst). drew has been aweful to say the least in the post season and should not be starting. yes he is good defensively, but he really is not that much better than bogaerts. middlebrooks should have been starting at 3rd, bogaerts at ss. nava should been starting not gomes. gomes is good at one thing, hitting lefties. he is useless against righties and is a defensive liability. Then in the 9th inning, farrell neglected to pinch hit middlebrooks or even nava for gomes (who struck out). who in their right mind would want gomes batting with the game on the line in the 9th inning of a world series game? not to mentiont he fact that he is 1-15 in the postseason. 

     
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    Farrell isn't pulling a Francona, Farrell is  Francona. Players' best friend, they love playing for him, he gives great after game interviews, but as a field manager, like 'cona, he is clueless.

    One example of this cluelessness is as folows: Sox are leading by one, Cards have runners on 2nd & 3rd with one out. Farrell moves the infield in to cut off run at home.  A base hit, which obviously is facilitated with the infield pulled in, would allow the Cards to pull ahead. 

    Another example, Sox are leading by one, why is Gomes still in LF when Farrell has a better defensive outfielder in Nava?

    I don't really care what others think of my opinion regarding Farrell's managerial skills or lack there of, but the Sox can't win every game where Farrell screws up. Tonight was a sad example.

    And, yes, he did leave Lackey in one batter too long, but this blunder was evened out, because the Cards' manager did the same.

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    The guy takes a bunch of average to below average players and makes it to the World Series.  Yeah, he's clueless.

     

     
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    Gomes and Drew have done nothing offensively since the PS began.  Nava and Carp were two of our most reliable players from the left side all season. 

    Didn't Nava pinchhit for Drew?

     
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    Does anyone find it odd that the OP is criticizing not only the manager of the year, but the runnerup to the manager of the year?

    Or did he mean that as a compliment, since Tito is the best manager of our generation?

     
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    Oh, please. We're winning the series, so what does it matter that we didn't win this game? Everyone always has better ideas than the manager, no matter who the manager may be. In this case, it's the guy that got them here in the first place, after being in last place just last season. Give it a rest already. Nobody can do a better job than Farrell has done with this team.

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    Ummm...we are TIED for the series. We have not won it. Thats delusional. If Farrell keeps mismanaging we are not getting a ring. Nava should be in there every game, not Johnny-do -little Gomes. Thats just stupid managing. I don't think it cost us this game entirely, but it didn't help. FaultySalty, Johnny-do-little, Breslow, and Lackey (yes, Lackey for walking whoever it was in the 7th), Drew the Useless....they all carry the blame. We GAVE THIS ONE AWAY. Thats just the way it is.

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    To fair Drew's defense has Ben spectsctular this series.

     
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    Oh, please. We're winning the series, so what does it matter that we didn't win this game? Everyone always has better ideas than the manager, no matter who the manager may be. In this case, it's the guy that got them here in the first place, after being in last place just last season. Give it a rest already. Nobody can do a better job than Farrell has done with this team.

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    How is 1-1 winning the series?

     
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    Gomes and Drew have done nothing offensively since the PS began.

    That's only part of the game.  Drew has done a great job in field, and for the most part, so has Gomes.

     Nava and Carp were two of our most reliable players from the left side all season.  So why has Farrell has gone from a manager who utilized our deep bench all year to relying on one set lineup?

    Carp didn't look that great either when he had his chance in the post season.  Nava should start in St. Louis, at least a game or two, or three if he earns it with his play.  And, set lineup?  I didn't realize Xander Bogaerts was part of a "set lineup".  

    Farrells weakness as a manager and a Francona type attitude towards favorotism for certain players who don't deserve to be in our lineup may end up being the difference in this series.  We are clearly the better team and there is nothing special in Wacka's pitching, we simply just put the wrong lineup out there again tonight so we desreve to lose this game.

    Yeh, Francona was so weak in leading them to 2 World Series, and Farrell in turning this team around like this in his first season as Red Sox manager.  I guess they should have consulted you.  

     

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    Was that a good throw by Gomes last night?

     
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    Oh for freak's sake about managers.  Even Farrell himself has said the players play the game and the manager's "coaching" comes down to knowing when to pull a pitcher and subbing the lineup.

    You win some, you lose some: Bogaerts for Middelbrooks against Detroit worked superbly. Morales was a disaster.  Gomes worked against Detroit and didn't tonight.  For every good move, there's one that doesn't work out as planned.

    Breslow's and Salty's errors are not Farrell's fault.  In the same vein Mueller's tying RBI against Rivera in the 2004 ALCS was not "because of" Francona.

    Right now, on to Peavy.  Farrell has ZERO control over how Peavy will perform.  Peavy throws the ball, not Farrell.

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    We deserved to lose last night no argument there.  My beef is why our manager has forgotten how we got here in the first place.  It wasn't with guys like Morales who hasn't thrown strikes in over a year or guys like Drew and Gomes swinging at air.  It was with a joint effort and two guys in Carp and Nava who should have been in our lineup more.  Drew has played outstanding defense which has certainy helped our cause but there are simple things that could be done to help us put the best possible lineup out there.  Waiting to pinch hit Nava with two outs in the ninth against a guy throwing 98mph was embarrising to watch.  He deserves and has earned to play over Gomes, especially against righties.

    As far as Wacha goes?  He may have a record going but nothing I saw last night was anything special other than a quick delivery and decent fastball.  I will be shocked if he doesn't turn out to be an average starter once hitters adjust.   

     

     
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    Gomes and Drew have done nothing offensively since the PS began.

    That's only part of the game.  Drew has done a great job in field, and for the most part, so has Gomes.

     Nava and Carp were two of our most reliable players from the left side all season.  So why has Farrell has gone from a manager who utilized our deep bench all year to relying on one set lineup?

    Carp didn't look that great either when he had his chance in the post season.  Nava should start in St. Louis, at least a game or two, or three if he earns it with his play.  And, set lineup?  I didn't realize Xander Bogaerts was part of a "set lineup".  

    Farrells weakness as a manager and a Francona type attitude towards favorotism for certain players who don't deserve to be in our lineup may end up being the difference in this series.  We are clearly the better team and there is nothing special in Wacka's pitching, we simply just put the wrong lineup out there again tonight so we desreve to lose this game.

    Yeh, Francona was so weak in leading them to 2 World Series, and Farrell in turning this team around like this in his first season as Red Sox manager.  I guess they should have consulted you.  

     

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    Was that a good throw by Gomes last night?

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    It wasn't awful throw given the circumstances...Salty should have come off the plate to field it to prevent the base runners from advancing...Breslow who backed up the play, then needed to eat the ball,  instead he threw it into the stands. Sorry to say it but this loss is on Breslow...he allowed the double steal by not looking Korma back before throwing the pitch. No double steal and it a can of corn two outs and runners on first and second, then walked the first batter he faced. the double steal is what changed the dynamics of the inning and set up the sacrifice...Lackey was credited with the loss, but it was Breslow who has to own this one.

     
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    As far as Wacha goes?  He may have a record going but nothing I saw last night was anything special other than a quick delivery and decent fastball.  I will be shocked if he doesn't turn out to be an average starter once hitters adjust.   

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    If that's all he has he wouldn't be putting up zeroes like this.  Maybe what you're not giving him credit for is his command, his ability to put the ball where he wants to...  

     

     
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    Does anyone find it odd that the OP is criticizing not only the manager of the year, but the runnerup to the manager of the year?

    Or did he mean that as a compliment, since Tito is the best manager of our generation?

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    No.

     
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    Gomes and Drew have done nothing offensively since the PS began.

    That's only part of the game.  Drew has done a great job in field, and for the most part, so has Gomes.

     Nava and Carp were two of our most reliable players from the left side all season.  So why has Farrell has gone from a manager who utilized our deep bench all year to relying on one set lineup?

    Carp didn't look that great either when he had his chance in the post season.  Nava should start in St. Louis, at least a game or two, or three if he earns it with his play.  And, set lineup?  I didn't realize Xander Bogaerts was part of a "set lineup".  

    Farrells weakness as a manager and a Francona type attitude towards favorotism for certain players who don't deserve to be in our lineup may end up being the difference in this series.  We are clearly the better team and there is nothing special in Wacka's pitching, we simply just put the wrong lineup out there again tonight so we desreve to lose this game.

    Yeh, Francona was so weak in leading them to 2 World Series, and Farrell in turning this team around like this in his first season as Red Sox manager.  I guess they should have consulted you.  

     

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    Was that a good throw by Gomes last night?

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    It wasn't awful throw given the circumstances...Salty should have come off the plate to field it to prevent the base runners from advancing...Breslow who backed up the play, then needed to eat the ball,  instead he threw it into the stands. Sorry to say it but this loss is on Breslow...he allowed the double steal by not looking Korma back before throwing the pitch. No double steal and it a can of corn two outs and runners on first and second, then walked the first batter he faced. the double steal is what changed the dynamics of the inning and set up the sacrifice...Lackey was credited with the loss, but it was Breslow who has to own this one.

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    It wasn't a horrible throw but in many respects, it was the worst possible throw.  Just close enough to the plate to where Salty thought he might have a chance, but not an easy one.  Just long enough to make it short hop Salty.  A foot towards first and Salty has to come off to get it.  A foot towards home and Salty doesn't have to stretch.  A foot or 2 longer and it gets there on the fly.  A foot or 2 shorter and it's an easier hop to handle with a catchers mitt.

     
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